No. I thought about it. 'My high point is near her low point' works from a physiological point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
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No. I thought about it. 'My high point is near her low point' works from a physiological point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Ah, fair point. I was thinking of it more figuratively.*Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
*no idea if that is the right word or not
Unfairly criticised! Are you attempting to suggest that calling the man an incorrigible, irredeemable monstrous great *****sock is somehow unfair?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
How anyone can defend Collins is beyond me...what has the world come toQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
:yawn: You're a middle-aged (I'm being kind) man. Don't you think it's about time you outgrew these childish notions of what's 'cool' and simply learned to evaluate these things on their own merits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
You're a ghastly old Tory tosser (I'm being overtly generous). Any chance of you doing the same?(I've seen you dissing The Boss I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I was an old skool Genesis man so could never love Collins (note the kool way I spell skool b).
Of course you've no idea WES and we wouldn't expect you to have (you being from Canadia). Probably best to restrict yourself to a narrower more simplified lexicon old chap. Much less likely to embarrass yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
I 'diss' 'The Boss' not because I don't think he's any good, but because I find his working-class, cars-and-girls pose rather ridiculous coming from a man who's never done a stroke of real work in his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
That doesn't mean I don't like some of his songs very much. I simply find the act a bit silly.
That's rich! Playing a three hour rock 'n Roll set every night for three decades is a much greater physical grind than you've ever done you soft handed auld poove.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
You don't think that a man who's never had an actual job masquerading as the bard of working class America is even the tiniest bit ludicrous?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
Not as ludicrous as the nice Jewish son of an electrical retailer from Duluth, Minnesota masquerading as a hard-bitten, boxcar-ridin' hobo, of course, but still.
All in all, Woody Guthrie has a lot to answer for.
Oh totally ludicrous. As ludicrous as Joe Strummer, the son of a Second Secretary of the Foreign Service, posing as a street boy growing up under the shadow of The Westway - I make everyone in that band equally as pretentious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Or Keef Richards and Shane McGowan having both been Westminster Choirboys. Everyone's at it b. Daniel Day Lewis has started reminiscing about his days on the Millwall terraces for fúck's sake - the son a poet Laureate!
To be fair to Keef, he sang at Westminster Abbey, but was never at Westminster (unlike McGowan). Strictly Dartford Technical College was Keef.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
Mick, by contrast, was Dartford Grammar and the LSE.
I don't think the others were politically pretentious. Image-wise, in their cowboy boots, yes, but that's in the job description tbf. Oh, and all the crap Mick filled the second and third discs of Sandinista with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
It was only Joe that demanded that they should all be poor. Mick just wanted the cash, Topper the drugs.
I could never cotton to The Clash, I'm afraid. Mind you, I became musically conscious after Sandanista!, by which time they'd very much disappeared up their own arses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Mick never pretended to be anything other than middle class, tbf. He was always the intellectual, cultured one. I mean, writing one of their best and most famous songs based on Bulgakov's novel and Baudelaire hardly marks him out as a man of the streets, does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Back in the pre-internet days of course, you could get away with all sorts of reinvention shÃ*t. Bowie originally allowed us to believe he was from Brixton rather than renting a bedsit there for a short while after he'd left home (or some such).
I'm sure I remember Strummer claiming in the NME circa 79/80 that he had never lived below the tenth floor of the Tower Block he grew up in by The Westway.
I think even Lydon's claims to have been a North Bank regular in the late 70's have a specious smack about them. I was on that terrace for most of '74 - 81 and I reckon he would have stood out like a dog's bollócks. Punks, if you remember, just did not do football.
(this was a response to Ash n Berni - can't be arsed to delete and re-post)
:hehe: Just found this quote from him on that: "I think that was taken from an old idea of Baudelaire's, I think, but I could be wrong. Sometimes when I look at my Baudelaire books, I can't see it in there. But it was an idea I got from French writing. And I just took a couple of lines and expanded on it. I wrote it as sort of like a Bob Dylan song."Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
No, but he did sing 'Streetfighting Man' and sing about knocking about with factory girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Come on, la! Which of us doesn't like to kick back with a slim volume of Les fleurs du mal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
I think you're getting carried away with this 'musician only sings about personal experiences' thing, Burney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I mean, you would want Chuck Berry to be restricted to songs about p1ssing on white prostitutes and shagging 14 year old girls, would you? :shrug:
Brixton can fúck off. Bowie was, of course, a product of Bromley. Although his brother was in the loony bin at Cane Hill just outside Croydon and topped himself himself at nearby South Coulsdon station.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
Mind you, claiming to be from Brixton wasn't the worst of his sins. ***** claimed he was from outer space at one point.
The give away with Mick w is the line "I see my red door, I must have it painted black" not "I must nip down to B&Q, buy a pot of paint and paint the fúcker myself".Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
No, but in Stray Cat Blues, Mick does sing about shagging 15 year-old girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Of course I'm not asking for all records to be based on personal experience (I'm pretty sure Elton John has never been on a rocket or missed his wife), I only get irritated when the persona becomes such a part of the artist's image that we start to forget it's a persona.
I heard it on something the other day and it struck me just what a weird song 'She's A Rainbow' was to come from the Stones. It's not a bad song, it's just not a Stones song.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
From their psychedelic effort, Satanic Majesties Request - whole thing was pretty pointless and f*cked up. Much like them at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I suppose being out of your mind on LSD for most of the year is a pretty good excuse for pretty much anything.
Imagine if they'd had a George Martin producing. Might have been slightly grittier version of the galactically brilliant Sgt Pepper's :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Yes. Which is what they were clearly aping - despite repeatedly denying it for years and years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
I often wonder what The Kinks early work might have sounded like if George had produced them instead of Shel Talmy. There might have been some better guitar solos for a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
Be fair: they wrote probably the two most seminal riffs in modern music.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
I do like one or two of his songs but, basically, anybody who writes or performs a hit record deserves great respect, imo.
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Originally Posted by Ash
Yeah, riffs. Dave was good at them. His breaks were not so good, and I speak as a Kinks fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I think this bloke kept Vienna off No 1 for about seven weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs
Terrific. I looked that one up awhile ago (they played it on the oldies' radio station that's always on in the kitchen); the chap has lived off that ever since, just going about performing his own stuff as he chooses and living his life. Sounds perfect, you have to respect that :shrug:
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Originally Posted by Ash
carragher just now
****ing hate em
that **** Phil Thomson big time
Please City...
Because we support Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
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