Nothing like a generalisation there, no sireeeee. Because of course you know exactly why anyone who voted remain think, just like losts of others claim all leavers are racist.... utter ****e from both sidesQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
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Nothing like a generalisation there, no sireeeee. Because of course you know exactly why anyone who voted remain think, just like losts of others claim all leavers are racist.... utter ****e from both sidesQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Not exactly the same at all. He cannot form a goverment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
I give up. This is a total fĂącking waste of time. #EndlessCircles
Mandem throwing bare shade, aight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
I just think there wasn’t a single principled reason to vote Remain. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
There were reasons of fearfulness (after all, it’s called Project Fear because it works on the fearful); there were reasons of self-interest and convenience; and there were reasons of ideology (aka national self-loathing).
Now I can perhaps sympathise with some of those feelings, but I can’t respect them. Ultimately, this is why I can’t help but feel a certain contempt for most people who voted Remain.
16mil or so of them? Plus, Germans, French, Italians, Spanish and all the other countries in the EU? All those people willing to be governed by undemocratic, corrupt people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Wow, there's just so many weak, cowardly, stupid people about. And Brexiters.
Amazing.
For once, you’re correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Yes, and it was a vote fraudulently gamed by the Russians! You people are the unwitting pawns of the more geopolitically canny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
But you know, the problem is that you will have argued your side oh so convincingly, but when you're a wet small island in the North Atlantic with no friends or clout, it will be too late. It's unclear whether the people, who were presented with a silly choice, would have signed up for *that. And they will blame you, and all your ilk, for having honeyed-ly convinced them to take a fateful step.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
This small island ruled half the world and will do so again. EIN REICH WIN VOLK EIN REES MOGGQuote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
You are a fĂącking moronic cretin. Sir, kindly leave the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
Oh yes, were you the one about the download speeds. I can't remember. And how this proved that the Russians could not have hacked the Democratic National Committee :tinfoilhat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
You could have gone to war with the Russians over Salisbury, but did you? Oh no! Just a slap on the wrist and let's suspend Abramovich for six months. I wanted to see warships steaming into Petersburg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
I agree with you entirely, C, in that the vote should have been held again. (And thank you for providing a reputable source.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
All I will point out is that there was a vote on Brexit last year where the result was 2 in the govt's favour. 2 top LDs weren't there as they'd been assured by the Lab whips that there'd be no major vote that day and both were doing constituency fundraisers or such like.
I don't remember B saying that was undemocratic and the vote should be re-run. Or that our system was undemocratic because such things occur.
Of course the EU vote should be re-done. Of course we need a better system, where MPs can vote electronically, but can get updated instructions from their whips electronically before they do so. (Silly foreigners with their bits of paper, etc.)
But why is our ****up acceptable but theirs not? 2 wrongs don't make a right, obv. They just make a double wrong.
I'd rather be governed by Frogs than Northerners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Better food, more civilised culture, greater linguistic ability.
I have lived in Paris, Toulouse, St Martin, Barca, Rome, Utrect, Rotterdam, Amsterdam and Berlin. But never north of the M25. I like continentals, I hate northerners. Why should I consider myself part of the same demos as Mancs, Scousers, Brummies and Geordies when I can't stand any of them? They can stick their mushy peas where the sun don't shine.
As you say, two wrongs don't make a right - but we at least have the possibility of reforming our democracy. The EU will bow only to the will of Fuhrerin Merkel. The rest of us can go blow up our own kilts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
Then you’re a bigoted arse. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
I know and love many northerners - indeed I’m married to one. I also love France and have very positive feelings about the French. Although their political, cultural, media and academic class are the very worst kind of scum - even worse than ours, which is going it some.
It's called evidence, and it came from former intelligence professionals. Do a little thought experiment. Substitute the word "Russians" in your ravings with the word "Jews" and listen to how that goes down. You might notice that you sound like the demented, racist conspiracy theorist that you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
Blimey. The only groups about whom it is safe to generalise are Americans (including Canadians) and Australians (including New Zealanders). In all other cases people should be treated and judged as individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
Hating whole groups of people because of their geography and lineage? Classy stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
And it's petit pois puree to you my friend. And no, I don't like them either, but chips with gravy is fĂącking ace.
Aye up, yer racist...the North is alright. A bit cold and damp, but alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
Apart from the Liverpooly bit.
Mushy peas? Chips and gravy. Proper bitter beer? :cloud9:
They have cheesy chips as well, don't they? And the parmo. Don't forget these people made a cult of the parmo!Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
Clever *******s.
And the holy grail - the Greggs Steak Bake...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Nah, my first gf and one of my glw's best mates are Canadians. Completely different kettle of fish to a Septic. Think war of 1812 and who was on who's side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Ditto Kiwis aren't Convicts. I'm not that bothered if the All Blacks beat us. But the Ashes is life or death.
So in fact, the only four groups we're allowed to generalise about are Convicts, Septics, Chinks (for the invasion of Tibet) and 'Stanis (for obvious reasons.). Oh, and Northerners, of course.
You're married to one? Poor lass, you took what you could get you animal husbanderer. You swooped in and offered her candy, she said yes to that and to all your other smarmy offers. :shudder:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Mate, you have to pay people to have sex with you :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
Keeps it simple my man ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Why do you give a stuff about Tibet? Thon death-cheating wossname is a bit of a fascist anyway, ISTR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
And if you've lived in this country and not been to the lake district you're a mug. :thumbup:
Eskdale in May :cloud9:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
HHDL isn't a fascist in the slightest. I saw him stop the monsoon at the Kalachakra in Jispa in '94. And the glw filmed an audience he gave to her mate with a charity up there.*Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
When you see Indian Tibet, you realise how Tibet would be without the Chinks. The most beautiful culture on the planet. No poverty or inequality. Only place I've been where everyone's smiling all the time.
I have no idea why the left spreads lies about Tibet - I think they don't like religions as they're the opium of the masses or whatever.
But anyone who's ever been to Indian Tibet, Dharamsala where the govt in exile is, or even Delhi's Tibetan Colony in Majnu-ka Tila will tell you they are the nicest people on the planet.
I did go to the Lake District once. Not a patch on the Himalayas or the Amazon and involves far too much walking.
*HHDL has a little helper who wires him up with the radio mic etc. After she'd finished packing the stuff away, the helper goes "Perhaps you would like this?" And gave her a digital photo he took behind my glw. So you can see her gorgeous arse, as she's hunched over her camera and tripod, looking the consumate professional, Joan, her mate with the charity, has this look of rapt awe, while HHDL has his laughing hamster cheeks, spreading love.
When she showed me and told me the story, she said "It's so considerate of him, isn't it?"
To which I replied: "Well, his boss is the Bodhisattva of Compassion, so I reckon being incredibly considerate is part of the hob decsription."
And yes, I really did see him stop the monsoon.
I was trying to get from Ledakh (Indian Tibet) to Manali (to smoke lots of puff) but the bus stopped about half an hour from the change-over point. There had been a landslide, people had died, so the road was closed.
Spent a night at the truck stop and found out the next morning that there wouldn't be any busses until that night or tomorrow and that HHDL was down the road doing the Kalachakra - a week long ceremony for the final initiation into the priesthood for all the trainee monks in S. Asia.
There are 10k monks all smiling and laughing, and maybe 100 Gora hippies all looking at each other to see who has the straightest back.
We sit in the rain for half an hour. Then he walks out of his little hut, along a wooden walk-way up to the mic.
He looks at us. Looks up at the rain. Looks back at us and shakes his head.
He looks back up at the rain. As he stares at it, it slows to a drizzle, then stops, and then a tiny hole parts in the cloud, and the sun shines through directly down onto him.
He turns to the monks and gives a hand sign which they do back to him.
"Now I can start", he says.
Good man. Brothers Water and Legburthwaite (Thirlmere) in May for us. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Nice. I want to get up Helvellyn this time but not via Striding Edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
FĂşck. That.
Go Swirrall Edge :thumbup: No bloody plastics and tourists cluttering the path up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Is there a nasty narrow bit to fall off? :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Erm, don't remember tbh. Which possibly means there isn't, as I recall some pooper flappage on other ridges, but it is called an edge, after all, and one can never be too sure. I actually found the worst bit of striding edge to be the final ascent, rather than the edge itself, but that was years ago and I was not as much of a scaredy cat on edges and ledges as I am now in my dotage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
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Originally Posted by Burney
If we took your statement, replace the word remain with the word leave, replace the term project fear with the term lies and false expectations, you would have reality.
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Originally Posted by Burney
We wouldn’t, though, since it is unarguable that - whatever its benefits - the EU is at the very least far less democratic and offers far less accountability than our pre-EU existence as a sovereign state. That is the fatal flaw of any pro-Remain argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
To vote against that - despite self-interest and despite the huge difficulties - is an act of principle.
To vote against it in the vain hope of retaining a personally comfortable, but undemocratic status quo - is not.
You made your choice. Don’t come bitching about it to those of us with functioning spines. :shrug:
Maybe I’m not cut out for bagging wainwrights. Perhaps I’ll just wander about enjoy8ng the view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
People who make bad decisions always cite their staunchness, their unwaveringness. Like getting a facial tattoo. Sure, maybe it's badass getting one, maybe it's the right thing to do. (There are some subcultures in which it's approved and almost expected.) But you'll have a tough time getting a job as a bank teller after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
And this is essentially what your Brexit is. It's a tattoo on the face of the British nation.
The counter argument to that is that to sacrifice the sort of democracy that would provide us with more control of our borders, laws and money in order to ensure a higher standard of living and a more diverse, inclusive, multi-cultural experience for ourselves and our children is also an act of principle. You seem to mistake a lack of principle with holding different principles than you. And your definition of democracy seems to be involve British people only; there’s no room in your world for swarthy foreigners having a finger in your democratic world. Presumably this is another one of your principles; one shared by people like Nigel Farage and UKIP voters in places like Basildon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
You should be careful about invoking ‘principles’ in this argument, Burney, you risk people pointing out some of the less savoury principles associated with so many of the Leave voters.
I'm no fan of the bloke, but Nigel Farage is pro-immigration, certainly to the extent that he believes we should still continue to allow significant numbers of immigrants coming into the country after Brexit :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by WES