ooooh, well done Arsene

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Yeah but he sent off Gio for a non-dive at Anfield and then refused to even book their keeper for taking out someone as they were through on goal. Gave the pen, mind.

Anyway, he's still a small minded ginger c*nt as far as I'm concerned. :-)

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Oh dont get me wrong, I hated the ****. Didnt he also send off Petit for touching him? ****er.

Still.... he got it right on one important night and didnt give in to United's game plan. You have to give him a little bit of credit for that.

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'Some people need to learn how to lose' :)

Piece of ****. Not only did Poll cost us the game but he got Henry charged for doing nothing other than ask him to explain his decisions at the end of the game. THree game ban if I remember correctly.

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Yeah but ultimately that was because he couldn't tell the difference between Graham Poll and Steve Dunn.

Which is insane because Graham Poll was a fat, middle aged, slightly dim, white c*nt with an attitude while Steve Dunn was a....ah well, poor Thierry. :-)

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Yeah but he sent off Gio for a non-dive at Anfield and then refused to even book their keeper for taking out someone as they were through on goal. Gave the pen, mind.

Anyway, he's still a small minded ginger c*nt as far as I'm concerned. :-)

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It was Freddie - I could understand that one as Freddie had taken it away from goal but you saw red as often as not in those days for that. The Henchoz one was a blatant professional foul on the best striker in the league - utter disgrace it wasn't a red

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It was Freddie - I could understand that one as Freddie had taken it away from goal but you saw red as often as not in those days for that. The Henchoz one was a blatant professional foul on the best striker in the league - utter disgrace it wasn't a red

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Aaaaagh! Now I've remembered Henchoz's handball in the Cup Final :furious:

What cünt was reffing that?

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It was Freddie - I could understand that one as Freddie had taken it away from goal but you saw red as often as not in those days for that. The Henchoz one was a blatant professional foul on the best striker in the league - utter disgrace it wasn't a red

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Just be grateful we got the penalty.

Riley's refusal to even acknowledge Rio's flattening of Freddie in that Old TRafford game is the most obvious example of a bent ref. It is so blatant that the force Rio uses to bundle him over even knocks himself over- nothing given, play on.

Perfect, unobstructed view as well. Quite incredible.

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Just be grateful we got the penalty.

Riley's refusal to even acknowledge Rio's flattening of Freddie in that Old TRafford game is the most obvious example of a bent ref. It is so blatant that the force Rio uses to bundle him over even knocks himself over- nothing given, play on.

Perfect, unobstructed view as well. Quite incredible.

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van Nistelrooy's out-and-out assault on Cole was pretty heinous as well iirc.

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van Nistelrooy's out-and-out assault on Cole was pretty heinous as well iirc.

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Indeed, although you can hardly blame Riley for the fact that the linesman, standing less than a yard away and looking directly at it, chose to ignore it. Although worth noting that Riley doesnt approach him or consult him in any way.

I am a little disappointed with the reaction of the Arsenal players. Sol is yards away, sees the whole thing and has a fairly relaxed moan. He should be screaming at people.

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Aaaaagh! Now I've remembered Henchoz's handball in the Cup Final :furious:

What cünt was reffing that?

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Steve Dunn

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Indeed, although you can hardly blame Riley for the fact that the linesman, standing less than a yard away and looking directly at it, chose to ignore it. Although worth noting that Riley doesnt approach him or consult him in any way.

I am a little disappointed with the reaction of the Arsenal players. Sol is yards away, sees the whole thing and has a fairly relaxed moan. He should be screaming at people.

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My recollection of that was that there was an angle from behind the lino which showed the lino start to move his arms to raise his flag and then stop.

Almost as though he realized that it was a red card against ManU in a 0-0 game they were desperate to win.

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van Nistelrooy's out-and-out assault on Cole was pretty heinous as well iirc.

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Yeah - but with hindsight, wd the Horsefaced Dutch ****

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Indeed, although you can hardly blame Riley for the fact that the linesman, standing less than a yard away and looking directly at it, chose to ignore it. Although worth noting that Riley doesnt approach him or consult him in any way.

I am a little disappointed with the reaction of the Arsenal players. Sol is yards away, sees the whole thing and has a fairly relaxed moan. He should be screaming at people.

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True, actually. He should have caught van Nistelrooy by the throat. In fact, that game should have had to be abandoned due to most of our team getting sent off for kicking off about the refereeing.

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Thank you. I hope he dies screaming.

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Yeah - but with hindsight, wd the Horsefaced Dutch ****

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Do you remember there was a time when United fans seriously used to argue that RvN was better than Tel? :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

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Thank you. I hope he dies screaming.

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I also have a recollection of a game away to Blackburn where we had lumps kicked out of us and Steve Dunn was the horrible c*nt watching it all happen that day as well.

I seem to recall one match report referring to him as 'the hapless Dunn'. Might have won on a Bobby tap in 1-0?

I'm expecting that pervert Anaconda to verify this you understand, Burney. I would never expect such deviancy from you. :-)

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I also have a recollection of a game away to Blackburn where we had lumps kicked out of us and Steve Dunn was the horrible c*nt watching it all happen that day as well.

I seem to recall one match report referring to him as 'the hapless Dunn'. Might have won on a Bobby tap in 1-0?

I'm expecting that pervert Anaconda to verify this you understand, Burney. I would never expect such deviancy from you. :-)

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Fs, WES, I'm good but remembering every time we had the **** kicked out of us in the North West is a touch beyond me

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I also have a recollection of a game away to Blackburn where we had lumps kicked out of us and Steve Dunn was the horrible c*nt watching it all happen that day as well.

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my memories of going to Blackburn include:-

going to the local pub near the away end and them serving cans of lukewarm Polish lager from a van in the car park for a rather extortionate amount.

Going there for the last game of the season? and Fabianski shat himself and we lost 2-1 after dominating the game and being one nil up.

It snowing. In April. We were 4 up by half time. We even managed to hang on to win 1-4 :cloud9:

It being a monstrous ****hole of a place

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Fs, WES, I'm good but remembering every time we had the **** kicked out of us in the North West is a touch beyond me

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BOOOOOO! Loss of deviant points there, la.

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my memories of going to Blackburn include:-

going to the local pub near the away end and them serving cans of lukewarm Polish lager from a van in the car park for a rather extortionate amount.

Going there for the last game of the season? and Fabianski shat himself and we lost 2-1 after dominating the game and being one nil up.

It snowing. In April. We were 4 up by half time. We even managed to hang on to win 1-4 :cloud9:

It being a monstrous ****hole of a place

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I remember the Fabianski one. At every set piece he was blatantly fouled and the ref ignored every single one. In an age where 'keepers get far too much porotection'........

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BOOOOOO! Loss of deviant points there, la.

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He's making a point about us being kicked up north all the time, I think.

We all *know* that he knows the answers. :-)

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True, actually. He should have caught van Nistelrooy by the throat. In fact, that game should have had to be abandoned due to most of our team getting sent off for kicking off about the refereeing.

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There are two fouls on Reyes where Vieira is far too nice about it. Both challenges should have resulted in outright brawls.

Ok, any arsenal player talking out of turn would have been booked and any scuffle would have resulted in red cards but that would have been preferable to what actually happened. It would have made it Even clearer that Riley was not refereeing the game at all.

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I remember the Fabianski one. At every set piece he was blatantly fouled and the ref ignored every single one. In an age where 'keepers get far too much porotection'........

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Chris Samba may have headed in the winner from a corner. He may well also have flattened Fabianski on a number of other occasions

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There are two fouls on Reyes where Vieira is far too nice about it. Both challenges should have resulted in outright brawls.

Ok, any arsenal player talking out of turn would have been booked and any scuffle would have resulted in red cards but that would have been preferable to what actually happened. It would have made it Even clearer that Riley was not refereeing the game at all.

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:nod: I'd have preferred that. It would at least have focused attention on the fouls and the non-refereeing in the aftermath. As it was, everyone just glossed over it in favour of the 'Arsenal unbeaten run ended by United' story.

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There are two fouls on Reyes where Vieira is far too nice about it. Both challenges should have resulted in outright brawls.

Ok, any arsenal player talking out of turn would have been booked and any scuffle would have resulted in red cards but that would have been preferable to what actually happened. It would have made it Even clearer that Riley was not refereeing the game at all.

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I still don't understand why Vieira didn't hospitalise Gary Neville with a waist-high challenge during that game. We did rather roll over and take it, I'm afraid, despite the fact that that doesn't fit the accepted narrative of early Wenger teams were warriors / later Wenger teams all gaylords.

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There are two fouls on Reyes where Vieira is far too nice about it. Both challenges should have resulted in outright brawls.

Ok, any arsenal player talking out of turn would have been booked and any scuffle would have resulted in red cards but that would have been preferable to what actually happened. It would have made it Even clearer that Riley was not refereeing the game at all.

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Of all the things that happened in that game it was the refusal to book that rat faced little weasel until about his 8th foul on Reyes that wound me up most. The other three were all one off incidents that a referee could miss (especially when he's a cheat).

But the deliberate targeting of Reyes was nasty and obvious and he let it go time and time again and then gave Cole a yellow for our first deliberate foul! At that point I seem to recall utterly losing it at a television, in a hotel, on holiday, with people around.

:-(

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Chris Samba may have headed in the winner from a corner. He may well also have flattened Fabianski on a number of other occasions

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Chris Samba :hehe: Jeez, I remember everyone clamouring for us to sign him :rolleyes:

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I still don't understand why Vieira didn't hospitalise Gary Neville with a waist-high challenge during that game. We did rather roll over and take it, I'm afraid, despite the fact that that doesn't fit the accepted narrative of early Wenger teams were warriors / later Wenger teams all gaylords.

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That's the thing about Vieira, though. For a man with a simply woeful disciplinary record, he never properly fücked anyone up. He was usually booked for soft fouls and reacting to blatant provocation rather than outright violence.

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I still don't understand why Vieira didn't hospitalise Gary Neville with a waist-high challenge during that game. We did rather roll over and take it, I'm afraid, despite the fact that that doesn't fit the accepted narrative of early Wenger teams were warriors / later Wenger teams all gaylords.

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I assume its a reaction to what happened there the previous season. We got all the blame for the battle of old trafford and the club must have told the players to watch their behaviour. The Football reaction is to stick in plenty of fouls of your own but given Riley this wasnt possible. Every foul would have been a booking, anything resembling the challenges Neville was putting in would have been straight reds.

The same with any reaction or animated complaint to the ref.

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That's the thing about Vieira, though. For a man with a simply woeful disciplinary record, he never properly fücked anyone up. He was usually booked for soft fouls and reacting to blatant provocation rather than outright violence.

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There were things about the chap which are still hard to acknowledge. Like the Roy Keane tunnel incident when Vieira shÃ*t himself and wanted nothing moe to do with the Cork tinker. :-(

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Of all the things that happened in that game it was the refusal to book that rat faced little weasel until about his 8th foul on Reyes that wound me up most. The other three were all one off incidents that a referee could miss (especially when he's a cheat).

But the deliberate targeting of Reyes was nasty and obvious and he let it go time and time again and then gave Cole a yellow for our first deliberate foul! At that point I seem to recall utterly losing it at a television, in a hotel, on holiday, with people around.

:-(

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Even Andy Gray, one of United and Neville's biggest admirers at one point says he would love to know why those tackles werent bookings. One in particular is terrible. The one he gets booked for is an absolute ****ing disgrace.

He didnt 'miss' Rio's foul on Freddie. He ignored it because he would have had to send him off. You simply couldn't send off a United player at Old TRafford in those days, or award a penalty. It was just unthinkable.

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I assume its a reaction to what happened there the previous season. We got all the blame for the battle of old trafford and the club must have told the players to watch their behaviour. The Football reaction is to stick in plenty of fouls of your own but given Riley this wasnt possible. Every foul would have been a booking, anything resembling the challenges Neville was putting in would have been straight reds.

The same with any reaction or animated complaint to the ref.

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The thing people forget about the Keown nonsense at Old Trafford was that the only person there who looked willing and capable to dish out extreme violence was Lauren. He looked absolutely prepared to dismember Phil Neville when he grabbed him by the throat. :cloud9:

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The thing people forget about the Keown nonsense at Old Trafford was that the only person there who looked willing and capable to dish out extreme violence was Lauren. He looked absolutely prepared to dismember Phil Neville when he grabbed him by the throat. :cloud9:

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Keown's reaction was hilarious, dancing past Van Nistelrooy and 'accidentally' lapped him with an outstretched arm :)

That was, without question, the most absurd reaction to a run of the mill 'brawl' in the history of football. I went to work on the Monday and was set upon by outraged individuals the minute I walked in, claiming their children were terrified by what they had witnessed. One woman was screaming at me and frothing at the mouth.

All I said was that if your children are scared by that then they are ****ed for life and should stick to watching tennis.

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There were things about the chap which are still hard to acknowledge. Like the Roy Keane tunnel incident when Vieira shÃ*t himself and wanted nothing moe to do with the Cork tinker. :-(

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Ah yes - we were so terrified by that "tunnel" thing we went out and scored after 8 minutes. In fact, it was the petrified Vieira who scored. We were two-one up at half time, when fortunately Arsene must have reminded the team that they were actually ****ting themselves and could they do the decent thing and throw the game. That defeat was ALL about the tunnel and nothing to do with that useless **** Almunia (Peter - this is the bit where you should be extremely ashamed of yourself)

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Ah yes - we were so terrified by that "tunnel" thing we went out and scored after 8 minutes. In fact, it was the petrified Vieira who scored. We were two-one up at half time, when fortunately Arsene must have reminded the team that they were actually ****ting themselves and could they do the decent thing and throw the game. That defeat was ALL about the tunnel and nothing to do with that useless **** Almunia (Peter - this is the bit where you should be extremely ashamed of yourself)

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I meant during the row. :shrug: Vieira clearly shÃ*t himself. You know, because you've seen the footage.

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I meant during the row. :shrug: Vieira clearly shÃ*t himself. You know, because you've seen the footage.

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Ah, I know what you mean. Just sick of United fans continually going on about that game and referencing that ****ing incident and ignoring what actually followed on the pitch.

Still - that season turned out all right in the end for Patrick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiAD38djorY

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Ah, I know what you mean. Just sick of United fans continually going on about that game and referencing that ****ing incident and ignoring what actually followed on the pitch.

Still - that season turned out all right in the end for Patrick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiAD38djorY

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Quite the day, that was.

There is this rose-tinted view of those days which reflects poorly on everything that came after, as if Bergkamp never displaced a pass, Henry never missed a chance, Vieira ate opposition midfielders and spat the remains into the referee's face... and we never, ever lost a game. I like to remember that we were flawed. It's fairer to those players and to our current players.

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Quite the day, that was.

There is this rose-tinted view of those days which reflects poorly on everything that came after, as if Bergkamp never displaced a pass, Henry never missed a chance, Vieira ate opposition midfielders and spat the remains into the referee's face... and we never, ever lost a game. I like to remember that we were flawed. It's fairer to those players and to our current players.

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Indeed - remember Adams and Bould never gave away free kicks either

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Indeed - remember Adams and Bould never gave away free kicks either

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Dixon never missed a tackle...

Btw, I suppose I should have written 'misplaced a pass'; I don't quite know how one would 'displace' a pass. Send it into exile without a passort, something like that.

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Dixon never missed a tackle...

Btw, I suppose I should have written 'misplaced a pass'; I don't quite know how one would 'displace' a pass. Send it into exile without a passort, something like that.

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I'm sure Bergkamp could do that if he wanted to

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Ah, I know what you mean. Just sick of United fans continually going on about that game and referencing that ****ing incident and ignoring what actually followed on the pitch.

Still - that season turned out all right in the end for Patrick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiAD38djorY

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Some good Arsenal pelanties among those

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Quite the day, that was.

There is this rose-tinted view of those days which reflects poorly on everything that came after, as if Bergkamp never displaced a pass, Henry never missed a chance, Vieira ate opposition midfielders and spat the remains into the referee's face... and we never, ever lost a game. I like to remember that we were flawed. It's fairer to those players and to our current players.

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:nod: Tel's posing, sulking and bullying of JAR; Dennis's frustrating inconsistency; Lehmann's insanity and tendency to put pressure on his own defence by reacting to every provocation; Kolo Toure not *actually* being terribly good at defending sometimes; Getting bullied out of crucial games by United, Leeds, Bolton, etc.