Excellent. Seems the media has decided it's going to pretend to be morally outraged

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Originally Posted by Peter

I mean everyone who loves their country. Anyone who doesnt, get that son of a bitch outta here, he's fired!

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You may scoff, but that was another masterstroke from the Donald; lots of the right sort will heartily agree with his position.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

If by "we", you mean cricket lovers, England supporters, then yes, I agree. However, most of the people that pay Stokes' wages couldn't give a stuff about England. Or probably even cricket. Unfortunately, and unforgivably, it is them he has fallen foul of. He who pays the piper and a' that.

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I was out buying a new bed the other day and there was one model that had a big cutout of Joe Root next to it. I was momentarily very confused. What has Joe Root got to do with mattresses?

Anyway, I didn't buy it. It was one of these memory foam abortions. Can't be doing with them.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

You may scoff, but that was another masterstroke from the Donald; lots of the right sort will heartily agree with his position.

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I rather liked his speech to the UN, too. Sticking up for the nation state in front of all those ghastly no borders types. Good on him imo.

And let's face it: there ought to be a country called Nambia.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I was out buying a new bed the other day and there was one model that had a big cutout of Joe Root next to it. I was momentarily very confused. What has Joe Root got to do with mattresses?

Anyway, I didn't buy it. It was one of these memory foam abortions. Can't be doing with them.

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So long as you realise and are comfortable with, the fact that your rather, if I may say, selfish and short-sighted behaviour on this may have just cost us the Ashes :-|

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Originally Posted by Burney

I rather liked his speech to the UN, too. Sticking up for the nation state in front of all those ghastly no borders types. Good on him imo.

And let's face it: there ought to be a country called Nambia.

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:hehe: Especially as most people wouldn't actually know if there already was or not.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

So long as you realise and are comfortable with, the fact that your rather, if I may say, selfish and short-sighted behaviour on this may have just cost us the Ashes :-|

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I have made my bed*. I shall lie on it.

*Not strictly true. Sealy made the mattress, I think.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I have made my bed*. I shall lie on it.

*Not strictly true. Sealy made the mattress, I think.

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Good old Les.

I probably won't tune in to it anyway. Every other person on TMS nowadays is some woman or other, trying to ̶f̶o̶r̶c̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶m̶e̶n̶'̶s̶ ̶c̶r̶i̶c̶k̶e̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶o̶a̶t̶s̶ promote the ladies' game :-|

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

You may scoff, but that was another masterstroke from the Donald; lots of the right sort will heartily agree with his position.

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Who exactly are the right sort?

I assume that you mean it makes him look like an ignorant arsehole. I do wonder how much longer this 'masterstroke' will carry on working.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Who exactly are the right sort?

I assume that you mean it makes him look like an ignorant arsehole. I do wonder how much longer this 'masterstroke' will carry on working.

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People who might vote for him obviously. I'm an ignorant arsehole myself; I don't do name-calling.

Anyway, nobody knows the future, I think.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

People who might vote for him obviously. I'm an ignorant arsehole myself; I don't do name-calling.

Anyway, nobody knows the future, I think.

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Playing to the base works in times of trouble. It doesnt get you elected. Apart from with Trump, where it did.

I think the point is that he hasn't actually done any of the things he said he would- the things that got him elected. This might explain the lowest approval rating in history more than his rather oafish behaviour.

Build a wall and brings some heavy industry jobs back. If he does that, he can say what he likes.

I wasnt calling you an ignorant arsehole. I have no idea what you mean half the time so I couldn't possibly think you were ignorant ;)

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Originally Posted by Peter

Playing to the base works in times of trouble. It doesnt get you elected. Apart from with Trump, where it did.

I think the point is that he hasn't actually done any of the things he said he would- the things that got him elected. This might explain the lowest approval rating in history more than his rather oafish behaviour.

Build a wall and brings some heavy industry jobs back. If he does that, he can say what he likes.

I wasnt calling you an ignorant arsehole. I have no idea what you mean half the time so I couldn't possibly think you were ignorant ;)

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After the last two and a half years, you still think the Donald was elected for his policies?

In a word; lol.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

After the last two and a half years, you still think the Donald was elected for his policies?

In a word; lol.

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You dont think it was a factor in winning Pennsylvania, Ohio? Lol indeed. If you can call empty promises and vague ideas 'policies'

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You dont think it was a factor in winning Pennsylvania, Ohio? Lol indeed. If you can call empty promises and vague ideas 'policies'

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I suggest you refrain from making assumptions upon which you have no intel or knowledge!

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Originally Posted by Donald

I suggest you refrain from making assumptions upon which you have no intel or knowledge!

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Shut it, Dotard!

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No, they only forfeit, or risk, future earnings, not their livelihoods. Same as anybody else.

Whether you anchor the batting for England or you're a transgender who wants to join the CAG, representing your country is a privilege, and not a right. Thousands of people are rejected or overlooked for their preferred role all the time, and for many different reasons.

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Oh come, now, we all know that public morality is an elastic thing. Look at Floyd Mayweather. A convicted wife beater, and the people love him. Well, love is perhaps too strong; but they let him slide. Boys will be boys, and hopefully the girls are not savage femonazis trying to embarrass and disrespect them.

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You dont think it was a factor in winning Pennsylvania, Ohio? Lol indeed. If you can call empty promises and vague ideas 'policies'

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Yes. I think the trouble here is you're looking at the thing from the point of view of somebody who is actually interested, engaged, in the political process. This puts you at odds with the overwhelming majority of voters, especially as and when you insist upon depicting smart people, such as yourselves, as representative of the demographic group to which they happen to belong. We've already seen that the Donald has proved able to cut through that (basically, he is poll-proof), and he's just done it again over this NFL kerfuffle.

If you insist though; do you really think those states imagine they would have been better off under Hillary? After all, both of them are jumping with "Deplorables", aren't they, and their nasty, dirty coal mines and steel mills. Why are the Donald's empty promises and vague ideas any worse than his opponent's, especially as he's not even a so called "real" politician?

Most importantly though, he speaks proudly and lovingly to America in exactly the way your sort is terribly, acutely, embarrassed to do. So far that's proved to be enough*; who's to say it won't be again.


*Though if anyone's actually bothered to check, his legislative performance so far has actually been fairly solid and substantial, albeit not spectacular.

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Oh come, now, we all know that public morality is an elastic thing. Look at Floyd Mayweather. A convicted wife beater, and the people love him. Well, love is perhaps too strong; but they let him slide. Boys will be boys, and hopefully the girls are not savage femonazis trying to embarrass and disrespect them.

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You're right, of course, but surely those rules are the same for everyone, aren't they? I mean, even a postman from Swindon would have to expect a certain amount of public grief if he was filmed drunkenly brawling outside a nightclub in the small hours of the night?