Ugh! May and Corbyn are going to have a 'Leaders' debate'

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Originally Posted by Ash

Is there any evidence that he was paid by the USSR? It was an accusation frequently thrown at people on the left, usually on a somewhat unsubstantiated basis.

He was passionate about parliamentary democracy though, and the whole process of clawing power off the elite, from Magna Carta to the Chartists and Suffragettes. Had he been around to help lead the Leave campaign from a democratic and self-determination perspective it would have been a more decisive victory, and less open to the nasty accusations of xenophobia etc.

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He wasn't keen enough on clawing power away from the elite not to engage in a very exclusive inheritance tax dodge that kept all his money out of the hands of HMRC, though, was he?
As a keen critic of rank hypocrisy, I thought you'd appreciate that. ;-)

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Walford was no laughing matter. The useless Spurs **** came on at 2-0 and within moments it was 2-2.

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:hehe:
I wonder if Walford is another one not invited to the White Hart Lane parade

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Originally Posted by Ash

Is there any evidence that he was paid by the USSR? It was an accusation frequently thrown at people on the left, usually on a somewhat unsubstantiated basis.

He was passionate about parliamentary democracy though, and the whole process of clawing power off the elite, from Magna Carta to the Chartists and Suffragettes. Had he been around to help lead the Leave campaign from a democratic and self-determination perspective it would have been a more decisive victory, and less open to the nasty accusations of xenophobia etc.

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:nod: SIS knew all about it. It was partly this fact which led to the planning of the military coup against Wilson's government in 1974.

It's a shame the army decided against; we'd have enjoyed years os strong and stable government under Lord Protector Mountbatten instead of 50 years of socialism.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

:nod: SIS knew all about it. It was partly this fact which led to the planning of the military coup against Wilson's government in 1974.

It's a shame the army decided against; we'd have enjoyed years os strong and stable government under Lord Protector Mountbatten instead of 50 years of socialism.

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Yes, but military coups, though. :-( We'd be no better than frogs or dagoes if we did that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Yes, but military coups, though. :-( We'd be no better than frogs or dagoes if we did that sort of thing.

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In extremis one must consider all options, b. Imagine if, in June, the Labour Party were able to do a Tower Hamlets with the postal vote and were 'elected' with 178% of the vote. What then? We'd be looking to the Imperial General Staff to liberate us, would we not?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

:nod: SIS knew all about it.

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Pffft. I bet they made it up as part of their evil machinations.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Pffft. I bet they made it up as part of their evil machinations.

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It is also believed by many that MI5 had a plan to kill Benn in the event that he succeeded Wilson as Labour leader.

I must say, it's good to know that the security services have our best interests at heart.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

In extremis one must consider all options, b. Imagine if, in June, the Labour Party were able to do a Tower Hamlets with the postal vote and were 'elected' with 178% of the vote. What then? We'd be looking to the Imperial General Staff to liberate us, would we not?

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Oh, if power were seized illegally, of course. But not in the common run of things, no.

However, the chances of Labour managing to pull off something as complex as nationwide electoral fraud are pretty slim given they couldn't find their arses with both hands at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

It is also believed by many that MI5 had a plan to kill Benn in the event that he succeeded Wilson as Labour leader.

I must say, it's good to know that the security services have our best interests at heart.

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I saw Stella Rimington on telly a while back saying that no MI6 agent has ever been 'licensed to kill' outside wartime.

I thought: 'Well what fûcking good are they, then?'

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Originally Posted by Burney

I saw Stella Rimington on telly a while back saying that no MI6 agent has ever been 'licensed to kill' outside wartime.

I thought: 'Well what fûcking good are they, then?'

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I put it to you that what she means is, "When a member of MI5 kills in the line of duty we hold an internal enquiry to check that the execution was justified."

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Speaking of peevish, nasty and sort of feral - I almost felt sorry for Rooney yesterday. Trying to foul the Ox and getting nowhere ****ing near :hehe:

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How did he not get booked for that?

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Originally Posted by Burney

Oh, if power were seized illegally, of course. But not in the common run of things, no.

However, the chances of Labour managing to pull off something as complex as nationwide electoral fraud are pretty slim given they couldn't find their arses with both hands at the moment.

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Balls to that, when the socialists are elected the seizure of power may be legal but it is certainly immoral. I would authorised any and all measures to keep them from enslaving our Dear People.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I put it to you that what she means is, "When a member of MI5 kills in the line of duty we hold an internal enquiry to check that the execution was justified."

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I should bloody well hope they're out there topping people where necessary. Mind you, I think what she probably means is that killing people isn't their job as that's down to the military once the intelligence job's been done.

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Originally Posted by PSRB

How did he not get booked for that?

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Because he was not Xhaka

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Originally Posted by Sir C

It is also believed by many that MI5 had a plan to kill Benn in the event that he succeeded Wilson as Labour leader.

I must say, it's good to know that the security services have our best interests at heart.

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And its the left that don't believe in democracy? :)

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Balls to that, when the socialists are elected the seizure of power may be legal but it is certainly immoral. I would authorised any and all measures to keep them from enslaving our Dear People.

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The will of the (Dear) people counts for nothing in your eyes?

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Originally Posted by Peter

The will of the (Dear) people counts for nothing in your eyes?

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Christ no. They are as thick as mince and, on occasion, need saving from themselves.

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Originally Posted by Peter

And its the left that don't believe in democracy? :)

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No; the left believe in dictatorship. We on the side of Right believe in democracy but recognise universal suffrage as a dangerous error.

One man, one vote. That is to say, one gentleman over the age of 30, and of property, one vote.

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Originally Posted by Viva Prat Vegas

Yes
Terry was too soft because Sammy was fit but John had impressed when filling in and so wanted both of them to be in the 12 on the day
I guess the manager predicted a comfortable win against a 2nd Division side and with that in mind saw room for sentiment by keeping both John and Sammy happy
I like your Walford joke :-)
Energetic John Hollins or young Paul Vaessen might have been less stupid substitute options

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I thought we signed Hollins the following summer but you're right he could have been on the bench. Covered more positions for one thing.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I thought we signed Hollins the following summer but you're right he could have been on the bench. Covered more positions for one thing.

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The thing I remember about John Hollins was that he appeared to be in his late 40s when we signed him.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Christ no. They are as thick as mince and, on occasion, need saving from themselves.

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Tony Blair, Tim Farron and Jean-Claude Juncker like this.

You on the other hand, should realise that only the proles can now save you from the worst of your fears.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Tony Blair, Tim Farron and Jean-Claude Juncker like this.

You on the other hand, should realise that only the proles can now save you from the worst of your fears.

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I have been quoting Orwell for the past couple of years, actually. 'If there is hope,' wrote Winston, 'it lies in the proles.' The proles have spoken and saved us fom Clinton and the EU; now it is time to pat them on the head return them to their comfortable existence of pubs, pies and mashes, football pools and dog racing, which activities, I believe, keep them relatively supine.