Now, I wouldn’t consider myself a fan of Donald Trump. However.

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It turned out to be Budwieser - we walked straight out. It's that bad

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a smart move, la.

Only one American beer worth drinking imo
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There's plenty of good if you're involved in the news and commentary business. Never a slow day.

Heck, it's even got us talking on here and we're not even being paid.

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Yes, they've finally found a Republican president who actually uses the press to his own advantage #PlanetHollywood

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Get you and your intimate knowledge of Yanqui 'beer'.

You understand that your brainhole has a limited capacity, don't you? The space taken up by that knowledge is keeping something important out.

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It's ok, no space was really being taken up with that knowledge. Just a quick search and a copy and paste.

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Well, you're the one who pointed out that Islamic extremism isn't the only problem in the US. Do you not believe the prevalence of absent fathers in African American communities is one of these problems, given what we know about its corrosive effect on a child's life chances?

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****ing hell. Have you just shifted to outright racism now?

What a ****.

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That certainly wasn't my intention. But if you look at it that way, he's the one saying that Theresa May can't focus on terrorism, yet still be able to admonish him for his ridiculous tweets

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Fair to point out that a president should b capable of focusing on more than one problem.

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****ing hell. Have you just shifted to outright racism now?

What a ****.

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Is it racism to suggest that the issue of absent fathers may be an influence on why so many African-American males tend to end up in prison/dead?

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Is it racism to suggest that the issue of absent fathers may be an influence on why so many African-American males tend to end up in prison/dead?

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It is pretty ****ing racist to say that black people shoot each other because they don't know who their dad is. Which is what he said.

Given it was in response to the issue of americans shooting each other he also effectively blamed black men for gun crime in america.

That is very, very different from looking at the issue of absent fathers in terms of crime. Do white children turn to crime because of absent fathers? Or does that not matter?

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It is pretty ****ing racist to say that black people shoot each other because they don't know who their dad is. Which is what he said.

Given it was in response to the issue of americans shooting each other he also effectively blamed black men for gun crime in america.

That is very, very different from looking at the issue of absent fathers in terms of crime. Do white children turn to crime because of absent fathers? Or does that not matter?

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You need to watch thon Louis Theroux documentary, dude.

Knowledge is power.

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You need to watch thon Louis Theroux documentary, dude.

Knowledge is power.

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Which one?

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Originally Posted by Peter

Which one?

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They are all quite good.

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Which one?

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The one about gun crime in the Afro-American community in Detroit. Chicago. Milwaukee. Whereever. America, anyway.

In short, he showed that young black men are shooting each other with gay abandon and not a little enthusiasm with many of them blaming the lack of a father figure in their lives whilst continuing to boast about their exploits in the field of fathering as many children as possible by as many different women as possible. :shrug:

In short, whilst monty didn't express himself particularly delicately, the thrust of his argument would appear to have some substance.

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They are all quite good.

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The Jimmy Saville one was fun.

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It is pretty ****ing racist to say that black people shoot each other because they don't know who their dad is. Which is what he said.

Given it was in response to the issue of americans shooting each other he also effectively blamed black men for gun crime in america.

That is very, very different from looking at the issue of absent fathers in terms of crime. Do white children turn to crime because of absent fathers? Or does that not matter?

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Disingenuous, p. There is a much bigger problem of gun violence amongst black men than among any other demographic in the US. Indeed, gunshot wounds are the single most likely cause of death for young black men. There is also a disproportionate problem of absentee fathers among black communities in the US. It's not unreasonable to suggest that the correlation may imply causation.

Monty said it in his usual, provocative way, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a point.

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The one about gun crime in the Afro-American community in Detroit. Chicago. Milwaukee. Whereever. America, anyway.

In short, he showed that young black men are shooting each other with gay abandon and not a little enthusiasm with many of them blaming the lack of a father figure in their lives whilst continuing to boast about their exploits in the field of fathering as many children as possible by as many different women as possible. :shrug:

In short, whilst monty didn't express himself particularly delicately, the thrust of his argument would appear to have some substance.

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I'm quite amused by the mental image of them shooting one another with gay abandon. It implies they bust a cap in someone's ass while wearing white tie and tails and then down their glass of champers, laugh uproariously and then speed off in their Austin 7 with a flapper called Daphne in tow - possibly to dance to some jazz.

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The Jimmy Saville one was fun.

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Did he do one about crazy people who kept household pets who may be slightly different from the perceived norm – crocodiles, tigers etc. – or am I confusing with another TV chap.

These people were clearly fúcking bat shít mental yet went their way through life as if it was in some way ordinary.

Now pets are good, I have 6 fish, you have cats and chickens though obviously I disapprove of cats, horrible fúckers. I would not however keep a crocodile in my house.

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Did he do one about crazy people who kept household pets who may be slightly different from the perceived norm – crocodiles, tigers etc. – or am I confusing with another TV chap.

These people were clearly fúcking bat shít mental yet went their way through life as if it was in some way ordinary.

Now pets are good, I have 6 fish, you have cats and chickens though obviously I disapprove of cats, horrible fúckers. I would not however keep a crocodile in my house.

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You left out the horse you keep tethered up outside, sw.

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You left out the horse you keep tethered up outside, sw.

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:nod: He swapped it for a bag of yokes.

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:nod: He swapped it for a bag of yokes.

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:hehe: I'd say his kids are forever taking it up and down in the lift.

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You left out the horse you keep tethered up outside, sw.

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You do realise I live on the Southside?

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You do realise I live on the Southside?

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Unless it's Dublin 4, that means nothing.

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Disingenuous, p. There is a much bigger problem of gun violence amongst black men than among any other demographic in the US. Indeed, gunshot wounds are the single most likely cause of death for young black men. There is also a disproportionate problem of absentee fathers among black communities in the US. It's not unreasonable to suggest that the correlation may imply causation.

Monty said it in his usual, provocative way, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a point.

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Neither does it mean it wasn't racist. Its a perfectly reasonable point to raise in a conversation about gun violence in the black community. To shoot straight to it in response to a statement about gun crime, and claim it is the only issue is just poor.

Of course, it is a circular argument. How many of those black kids dont have a dad because their dad was shot? The circular nature of the argument makes this tight-arse, family values, social conservative version of post hoc ergo propter hoc all the more questionable.

In short, I would argue there are a million and one potential causes of black on black gun violence. Blaming it on african american absent fathers is effectively reverting to the slogan 'guns dont kill people, black people kill people'. It pleases the blame squarely on black men themselves

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When he tweets Prime Minister May telling her to keep her mouth shut and focus on ridding Great Britain of disturbing Islamic extremism then I’m inclined to feel he has a point.

I’ve not seen the Britain First videos he shared but was the content really that extreme?

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I think, my dear friend, that you would not be good in a bar fight. It's like, someone paws your girl. Are you going to say, "Ordinarily I would not condone such behavior. However, because my girl is the height of foxiness, I can understand, and while not endorse, perhaps let slide, your behavior."

What you're supposed to do is nut him with your forehead. Then, if you're feeling really frisky, what you do is take a shot glass. Hold that bottom pressed against your palm. Then you jam it into the offending person's face. Glass breaks on impact, the dude has a flap of his face hanging off, blood everywhere. You're out the back door, dragging the chick with. She is shocked but she also appreciates it. Part of her does.

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Neither does it mean it wasn't racist. Its a perfectly reasonable point to raise in a conversation about gun violence in the black community. To shoot straight to it in response to a statement about gun crime, and claim it is the only issue is just poor.

Of course, it is a circular argument. How many of those black kids dont have a dad because their dad was shot? The circular nature of the argument makes this tight-arse, family values, social conservative version of post hoc ergo propter hoc all the more questionable.

In short, I would argue there are a million and one potential causes of black on black gun violence. Blaming it on african american absent fathers is effectively reverting to the slogan 'guns dont kill people, black people kill people'. It pleases the blame squarely on black men themselves

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lol. Everyone knows by this time that your "million and one potential causes" is just another way of saying "I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't give a stuff in any case but having been to college, I can't actually admit that. Oh, and the whole racism racket is really just a pissing contest between honkies using blacks as collateral and we'd really rather they stayed out of it anyway."

You're not fooling anybody :-)

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Neither does it mean it wasn't racist. Its a perfectly reasonable point to raise in a conversation about gun violence in the black community. To shoot straight to it in response to a statement about gun crime, and claim it is the only issue is just poor.

Of course, it is a circular argument. How many of those black kids dont have a dad because their dad was shot? The circular nature of the argument makes this tight-arse, family values, social conservative version of post hoc ergo propter hoc all the more questionable.

In short, I would argue there are a million and one potential causes of black on black gun violence. Blaming it on african american absent fathers is effectively reverting to the slogan 'guns dont kill people, black people kill people'. It pleases the blame squarely on black men themselves

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I’m struggling with the idea that black men shouldn’t be held responsible for committing a disproportionate amount of gun crime (and other violent crime). If it isn’t the fault of the perpetrators, whose fault is it? :shrug:

If I didn’t know better, I’d think you had the classical ‘progressive’ white attitude where you regard black people as poor, benighted savages who can’t possibly be held to the same standards of personal responsibility as whitey.

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lol. Everyone knows by this time that your "million and one potential causes" is just another way of saying "I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't give a stuff in any case but having been to college, I can't actually admit that. Oh, and the whole racism racket is really just a pissing contest between honkies using blacks as collateral and we'd really rather they stayed out of it anyway."

You're not fooling anybody :-)

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Should the final " have come at the end of the previous sentence?

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Should the final " have come at the end of the previous sentence?

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Well *I can speak authoritatively because I have impressive connections within the African-American community. They have appointed me their liaison with all you white motherfvckers. And as their spokesman, I can tell you they're less than impressed.

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I’m struggling with the idea that black men shouldn’t be held responsible for committing a disproportionate amount of gun crime (and other violent crime). If it isn’t the fault of the perpetrators, whose fault is it? :shrug:

If I didn’t know better, I’d think you had the classical ‘progressive’ white attitude where you regard black people as poor, benighted savages who can’t possibly be held to the same standards of personal responsibility as whitey.

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Yeah, I didnt finish that sentence.....

The point was that i had always been led to believe that looking at the socio-economic causes of crime was the preserve of woolly headed liberals (also known as the likes of me) but when we can find a cause that is based on nothing but the feckless and irresponsible behaviour of black men it seems the rest of you are happy to engage in a less than exhaustive search to find the problem.

In other words, suggesting that gun crime among black people is caused by absent fathers is ****ing stupid. As a response to a question about the amounts of being killed by guns in general ( and in every community) it is also racist.

Dont think I didnt also notice how he dismissed it as a problem. Its just black people killing each other- why would a
President care?

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lol. Everyone knows by this time that your "million and one potential causes" is just another way of saying "I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't give a stuff in any case but having been to college, I can't actually admit that. Oh, and the whole racism racket is really just a pissing contest between honkies using blacks as collateral and we'd really rather they stayed out of it anyway."

You're not fooling anybody :-)

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Sometimes it is really difficult to tell whether you are being a **** or not. I suspect you rather enjoy this :)

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Sometimes it is really difficult to tell whether you are being a **** or not. I suspect you rather enjoy this :)

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indeed! I am not personally affronted because as I am now, as you know, a black man myself but it is curious that 'red should feel comfortable using pejoratives based on colour.

And since you ask, being a black man has proved to be a disappointment. I haven't developed a stupendously large pénis, I still dance like a complete spastic with three left feet and I haven't yet nicked single car (just kiddin).

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Yeah, I didnt finish that sentence.....

The point was that i had always been led to believe that looking at the socio-economic causes of crime was the preserve of woolly headed liberals (also known as the likes of me) but when we can find a cause that is based on nothing but the feckless and irresponsible behaviour of black men it seems the rest of you are happy to engage in a less than exhaustive search to find the problem.

In other words, suggesting that gun crime among black people is caused by absent fathers is ****ing stupid. As a response to a question about the amounts of being killed by guns in general ( and in every community) it is also racist.

Dont think I didnt also notice how he dismissed it as a problem. Its just black people killing each other- why would a
President care?

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This would only make sense if I, or anyone worth listening to, had suggested that black men are innately feckless and irresponsible. Given that I do not believe this, then it follows that I must believe there is at least one social or cultural factor that contributes to the disproportionate amount of gun crime among blacks.

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This would only make sense if I, or anyone worth listening to, had suggested that black men are innately feckless and irresponsible. Given that I do not believe this, then it follows that I must believe there is at least one social or cultural factor that contributes to the disproportionate amount of gun crime among blacks.

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I only said the statement itself was racist. It isnt that i believe that you are. I also said the statement was stupid and I certainly dont think you are that.

THat said, it was one in a worrying trend of comments from you.

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I only said the statement itself was racist. It isnt that i believe that you are. I also said the statement was stupid and I certainly dont think you are that.

THat said, it was one in a worrying trend of comments from you.

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What worries you Peter? I don't like to think of you worrying. What can I say or do to reassure you?

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What worries you Peter? I don't like to think of you worrying. What can I say or do to reassure you?

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You. You worry me.

I am looking at a fairly intelligent chap making some pretty rash comments in what appears to be a reaction to some of the sillier excesses of the current political agenda/environment.

If someone like you reacts like this then what the **** are the heaving, ape-like masses going to do.....it doesnt bear thinking about.

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You. You worry me.

I am looking at a fairly intelligent chap making some pretty rash comments in what appears to be a reaction to some of the sillier excesses of the current political agenda/environment.

If someone like you reacts like this then what the **** are the heaving, ape-like masses going to do.....it doesnt bear thinking about.

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Proof, if any were required, that the Blairy left despise the lower orders just as much, if not more, than the right. It's not so different from racism, really. :judge:

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Proof, if any were required, that the Blairy left despise the lower orders just as much, if not more, than the right. It's not so different from racism, really. :judge:

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I'm not convinced it's the lower orders they despise, so much as anyone failing to conform with approved groupthink.

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Proof, if any were required, that the Blairy left despise the lower orders just as much, if not more, than the right. It's not so different from racism, really. :judge:

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I didn't refer to the lower orders, I referred to the masses. The hard of thinking. Some of these fellas earn good money.

and I dont despise them.

Imagine for a moment if we took all of your mysogynist comments at face value.

Imagine how horrified you’d be if we thought you really do hate women as much as you pretend.

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You. You worry me.

I am looking at a fairly intelligent chap making some pretty rash comments in what appears to be a reaction to some of the sillier excesses of the current political agenda/environment.

If someone like you reacts like this then what the **** are the heaving, ape-like masses going to do.....it doesnt bear thinking about.

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Imagine for a moment if we took all of your mysogynist comments at face value.

Imagine how horrified you’d be if we thought you really do hate women as much as you pretend.

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True. But my misogyny is a joke...sort of.

That’s the thing. My racism is a joke...sort of, too.

You don’t hate women and I don’t hate black people. But we both know there are serious problems among both social groups, not all of which can be attributed to “structural inequality”.

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True. But my misogyny is a joke...sort of.

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That’s the thing. My racism is a joke...sort of, too.

You don’t hate women and I don’t hate black people. But we both know there are serious problems among both social groups, not all of which can be attributed to “structural inequality”.

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Do women collectively count as a social group?