So with the league all but over, let's switch to another subject - Jeffrey Epstein?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

It is this 'suggestion' that troubles me.

I might 'suggest' that you respect and admire Gary Neville and that you consider Mike Riley to be the best referee in the history of football. Imagine that suggestion running free throughout the interenet...

Proof. Proof of noncery by specific individuals is what we need before we can begin condemning.

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#throwback

https://youtu.be/XtkJNrzZVJ4?si=pOT6aLQSqphVbXna

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Originally Posted by Sir C

It is this 'suggestion' that troubles me.

I might 'suggest' that you respect and admire Gary Neville and that you consider Mike Riley to be the best referee in the history of football. Imagine that suggestion running free throughout the interenet...

Proof. Proof of noncery by specific individuals is what we need before we can begin condemning.

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With great power comes the ability to ensure such proof remains out of the public domain.

I am not condemning anyone. I just said I dont trust that we are seeing the full story. And I dont.

I have not labelled anyone as anything. I'd be happy to, if it makes it easier.

Andrew is ****inf dodgy in a number of ways, and a liar.

There. That feels better:-)

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Originally Posted by Peter

With great power comes the ability to ensure such proof remains out of the public domain.

I am not condemning anyone. I just said I dont trust that we are seeing the full story. And I dont.

I have not labelled anyone as anything. I'd be happy to, if it makes it easier.

Andrew is ****inf dodgy in a number of ways, and a liar.

There. That feels better:-)

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There is plenty of proof about Andrew being an entitled w*nker of the highest order who deserves to be chucked out of the royal family.

There is significantly less evidence that he has done anything illegal imo.

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Originally Posted by WES

There is plenty of proof about Andrew being an entitled w*nker of the highest order who deserves to be chucked out of the royal family.

There is significantly less evidence that he has done anything illegal imo.

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True. But he clearly isnt telling the truth on a number of fronts.

I just get the feeling that we are being fed Andrew and Mandelson as it makes little difference, and that there are bigger fish in there somewhere.

Perhaps some who currently hold significant office....

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Originally Posted by Peter

True. But he clearly isnt telling the truth on a number of fronts.

I just get the feeling that we are being fed Andrew and Mandelson as it makes little difference, and that there are bigger fish in there somewhere.

Perhaps some who currently hold significant office....

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It's the small fish we're worried about. Big fish can look after themselves, take their chances.

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Originally Posted by Peter

True. But he clearly isnt telling the truth on a number of fronts.

I just get the feeling that we are being fed Andrew and Mandelson as it makes little difference, and that there are bigger fish in there somewhere.

Perhaps some who currently hold significant office....

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Interesting article in the Torygraph 2-3 days ago that totally fits with my knowledge of the historic attitudes of the GB elite and the little I've heard of US draft dodging.

When caught out we expect our guilty to do the decent thing. Think Profumo's charity work, or Aitken now a prison vicar. Think of all the cads locked in the library with a bottle of scotch and a service revolver. Cos if they don't, our elites will throw them under a bus to protect themselves.

While the yank elites, irrespective of party, will circle the wagons and protect their own.

Which explains why 4 Brits have had their lives ruined but not one Yank, even though Eppy was a Septic with an island in the Septic Virgin Islands.

Yanks gonna yank, basically. While our elites will endeavour to appear to behaving like gents, even if it's only to maintain the fiction that they are gents deserving of deference.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

It's the small fish we're worried about. Big fish can look after themselves, take their chances.

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No. Septic vs GB attitudes. See above.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

It's the small fish we're worried about. Big fish can look after themselves, take their chances.

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A man who can take his chances can earn 200 grand a week :-)