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Originally Posted by Peter

I was going to say that Duckett can score heavily off the spinners. Gone second ball :hehe:

Root/ Stokes miracle is the only hope. And it would be a miracle.

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Brook/Smith?

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Leach has out bowled Bashir this tour but Bashir is the better long-term option. Just a shame neither can bat

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So right about batting. Obviously Moeen levels would be Heaven, but to be able to bat like Swann - a decent test no.8 when he played there as opposed to at 10 below Bres and Broad would be very helpful.

In the same way every wk has to be a top order bat too since Gilchrist, outside the sub-continent, if you have a spinner in a 4 man attack {or 4 plus batting all-rounder like Stokes} then it really does seem like you want a spinner who can bat a bit, unless they really are a world class spinner.

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Originally Posted by PSRB

I've seen a few highlights and hooping is an accurate description

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The Kiwis are about 180-3 in reply. Did they just get lucky with the conditions then? You're sure it wasn't the Goddess Kali smiting them for having a Hindu-fascist govt?

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

So right about batting. Obviously Moeen levels would be Heaven, but to be able to bat like Swann - a decent test no.8 when he played there as opposed to at 10 below Bres and Broad would be very helpful.

In the same way every wk has to be a top order bat too since Gilchrist, outside the sub-continent, if you have a spinner in a 4 man attack {or 4 plus batting all-rounder like Stokes} then it really does seem like you want a spinner who can bat a bit, unless they really are a world class spinner.

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I still think Stewart was the proton-type Gilchrist but I get your point. Like that Carse, Potts, Atkinson and Woakes are all decent batters but none of the spinners seem to be. Maybe Rehan Ahmed might be worth a shout - he is a very decent bat

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

The Kiwis are about 180-3 in reply. Did they just get lucky with the conditions then? You're sure it wasn't the Goddess Kali smiting them for having a Hindu-fascist govt?

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350 first innings lead - got to win from there

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I still think Stewart was the proton-type Gilchrist but I get your point. Like that Carse, Potts, Atkinson and Woakes are all decent batters but none of the spinners seem to be. Maybe Rehan Ahmed might be worth a shout - he is a very decent bat

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Still think Root should bowl more than he does.

Which ever team had won that toss would have won, imo

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Originally Posted by PSRB

Still think Root should bowl more than he does.

Which ever team had won that toss would have won, imo

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Absolutely agree about Root

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I still think Stewart was the proton-type Gilchrist but I get your point. Like that Carse, Potts, Atkinson and Woakes are all decent batters but none of the spinners seem to be. Maybe Rehan Ahmed might be worth a shout - he is a very decent bat

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Good point. Just had a gander. Stewart averaged 39.5 to YJB's 36.4, but with the gloves AS drops to 34.9 while YJB's rises to 37.6.*

A competent WK batting at 7 averaging 35-38's fine.

Just gutted YJB got that golfing injury when you remember the form he was in that summer. 6 tons at 66 that year, 4 at 75 that summer.

I wish it were possible to work out the maths of how many runs more spinner A needs to average with the bat than spinner B to make up for spinner A having, say, a bowling average of 5 more runs than spinner B.

Moeen got 5 hundreds {ave 28} and 5 5-fers {ave 37} in 68 games, and we all remember those glorious tons. But Swanny in 60 games got no tons {ave 22} but 17 5-fers {ave 30.}

You'd clearly want Swann, no? Even though their batting-bowling averages at -8 and -9 aren't that much different.

But the econ rate of just under 3 for GS vs just over 3.6 for Moeen means GS could hold an end up better. As I say, there must be some way of doing the maths like this footy xGOT nonsense {whatever that means.}


*Spookily, both average {as wk} 29 vs Aus and 27 in Aus. And roughly 31 and 32 respectively as career totals, though AS is about 0.8 below YJB on in and vs Aus as career totals.

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

Good point. Just had a gander. Stewart averaged 39.5 to YJB's 36.4, but with the gloves AS drops to 34.9 while YJB's rises to 37.6.*

A competent WK batting at 7 averaging 35-38's fine.

Just gutted YJB got that golfing injury when you remember the form he was in that summer. 6 tons at 66 that year, 4 at 75 that summer.

I wish it were possible to work out the maths of how many runs more spinner A needs to average with the bat than spinner B to make up for spinner A having, say, a bowling average of 5 more runs than spinner B.

Moeen got 5 hundreds {ave 28} and 5 5-fers {ave 37} in 68 games, and we all remember those glorious tons. But Swanny in 60 games got no tons {ave 22} but 17 5-fers {ave 30.}

You'd clearly want Swann, no? Even though their batting-bowling averages at -8 and -9 aren't that much different.

But the econ rate of just under 3 for GS vs just over 3.6 for Moeen means GS could hold an end up better. As I say, there must be some way of doing the maths like this footy xGOT nonsense {whatever that means.}


*Spookily, both average {as wk} 29 vs Aus and 27 in Aus. And roughly 31 and 32 respectively as career totals, though AS is about 0.8 below YJB on in and vs Aus as career totals.

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Absolutely - Swann was the superior player. I still think Mooed was a great team man though