Here's my prediction.

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Originally Posted by IUFG2

these'll clinch it...

https://www.taquitos.net/im/sn/Discos-SVFever.jpg

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Evil man - I want Discos now

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Originally Posted by Sir C

If Stan Kroenke looks at Twitter and sees #kroenkeout trending, he will definitely throw up his hands in horror and place his billion dollar business on the market immediately. In fact he'll probably take 50 quid for it for a quick sale.

I might make a bid, just as soon as Curly sends me the proceeds from that postal order he's waiting for.

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I'm not sure Curly is ever going to get that postal order, you know.

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Originally Posted by WES

I knew you'd hate this and would drag out your 'supporters are clueless scum with no power whatsoever' soapbox. :hehe:

The plan had nothing to do with it, the issue was that there were simply too many participants who weren't that committed especially when the local associations and supporters pushed back. There is no plan that would mitigate that risk, they simply had to hope that it wouldn't happen. The mistake was misreading the commitment of the participants, not the lack of a plan.

And the reality is that a lot of the participants really do care about the views of the local associations and the supporters. No matter how much you hate it.

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Utter bullshÃ*t from start to finish. What killed it was the pushback from players threatened with exclusion from their domestic leagues and national teams. The fans just don't matter.
This sums up the reality rather well.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...mpression=true

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I'm not sure Curly is ever going to get that postal order, you know.

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I bought a photograph of a dead horse (colour) from him but he never delivered :-(

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I bought a photograph of a dead horse (colour) from him but he never delivered :-(

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You should never trust a man flogging a dead horse.

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Originally Posted by Burney

One of the worst things about this thing going pop is that it'll embolden the more strident type of idiot fan into believing their own hype about fan power and they're going to be insufferable now.

Whereas in fact what seems to have happened is that these people decided to announce the Super League with absolutely no plan for what to do when it went down like a lead balloon and the leagues, UEFA and FIFA, governments, etc started making threats. I mean it is almost unbelievable that anyone would make a business decision of this magnitude without a credible plan, but that does appear to be what has happened.

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Well spotted. I have taken particular delight in stupendously idiotic decisions made by the corporate world and this is one of them. Why would they decide to take that course of action, you ask? Zoom meetings.

As humans we are conditioned to 'read the room' with over half of our information from non-verbal tells. It's done unconsciously. This is 100% absent from Zoom meetings. Add the fact that the mute button masks many verbal signals and you have a recipe for decision-making disaster, which is what we have witnessed this week in Soccerball Land.

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You should never trust a man flogging a dead horse.

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You can't trust a man not wearing a dress

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Utter bullshÃ*t from start to finish. What killed it was the pushback from players threatened with exclusion from their domestic leagues and national teams. The fans just don't matter.
This sums up the reality rather well.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...mpression=true

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Well it's hardly surprising that you aren't giving up your soapbox easily. :hehe:

Pretty much everyone I have read since the ESL fell apart accepts that the 12 clubs had completely misread the situation, it had nothing to do with not having a plan. They underestimated the amount of pushback from the associations, UEFA, the supporters, the players and the media. They also underestimated how little resolve many of the clubs had to going through with it. And the idea that the supporter pushback had no influence on any of the other parties involved is absurd, the answer is far more nuanced than simply 'the owners decided and they don't care about what anyone thinks'.

Mind you, if you liked nuanced arguments you wouldn't be so obsessed with the 'working class people are uneducated scum with no power whatsoever and quite rightly so' argument you routinely drag out.

And I love you justifying your misanthropic, single minded view by quoting Rod Liddle, who pretty much defines that particular genre. :hehe:

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Well it's hardly surprising that you aren't giving up your soapbox easily. :hehe:

Pretty much everyone I have read since the ESL fell apart accepts that the 12 clubs had completely misread the situation, it had nothing to do with not having a plan. They underestimated the amount of pushback from the associations, UEFA, the supporters, the players and the media. They also underestimated how little resolve many of the clubs had to going through with it. And the idea that the supporter pushback had no influence on any of the other parties involved is absurd, the answer is far more nuanced than simply 'the owners decided and they don't care about what anyone thinks'.

Mind you, if you liked nuanced arguments you wouldn't be so obsessed with the 'working class people are uneducated scum with no power whatsoever and quite rightly so' argument you routinely drag out.

And I love you justifying your misanthropic, single minded view by quoting Rod Liddle, who pretty much defines that particular genre. :hehe:

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The idea that there was no planning is particularly fvcking moronic. Even JPM put some yards into this.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

If Stan Kroenke looks at Twitter and sees #kroenkeout trending, he will definitely throw up his hands in horror and place his billion dollar business on the market immediately. In fact he'll probably take 50 quid for it for a quick sale.

I might make a bid, just as soon as Curly sends me the proceeds from that postal order he's waiting for.

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Indeed.

When you've bought something as an inheritance gift, you're not going to sell it. He fully expects his son to run it into the ground after he dies. But for now, we have no chance. Unless someone offers him enough to buy the Yankees.