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Someone needs to explain to the daft bint that you don?t just get a job on TV just because you?re black.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
And targeting Wrighty shows she isnt the brightest. Kind of ****s up the race card a bit....Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
The crux of the issue is that's she's a rubbish pundit. Consistently demonstrated that when she had her chance and also just comes across as a deeply unpleasant person. To say she doesn't help herself is an enormous understatement.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
And the argument that men shouldn't be pundits on the women's game would be stronger if they didn't keep shoehorning female pundits into the men's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
I'm sure we'd all be happy to settle for that compromise, but you cant have it both ways.
Face like a slapped @rse tbh. Look at the entitled body language on her. Reminds me of Laura James in that respect. Rancid..Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
I think people need to make that distinction between hosting and punditry too. Thon feller on MOTD 2 has probably never kicked a ball but does a fair job anchoring and asking questions. Likewise, Kelly Cates and Gabby Yorath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I have a solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Only female commentators and pundits allowed for women's football and only male commentators and pundits allowed for men's football.
Everybody wins :-)
Well, as Laura Woods points out, if you want to grow the women's game then you need boys and men to get interested and that's helped by having respected male players as pundits. Also, IWWW has championed women's football for years, what Aluko though she would gain by going after him, God only knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Helps that both their Dad's were (very good) professional players. Kate Abdo, Laura Woods and the lady that hosts a lot of women's football and the odd championship match are all very good. Izzie Christiansen and her moon face can do one and Sue Smith with her dreadful hair and pen waving descriptions can also bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Kind of what I was getting at. A solution that is so simple it must be wrong (for some reason....)Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Agreed. Couldn't care less who 'presents' the programme. But if I am going to have to listen to 'expert' opinion I'd rather it was from people who know the game. Although some of tjem are insufferableQuote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Whatever happened to Jimmy Hill. Might have been a bit of a dickhead but he knew his football.
By Jove, Watson, I think I've cracked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I had to google this cos I had no idea what this thread was about. But it seems the bint wanted Wrighty's job cos she is a black bint and therefore deserves a big job. But everyone else says Wrighty, for all his faults, is just a much better presenter.
So, my solution is:
1. Bring Wrighty back to MotD
2. Let this bint I've never heard of replace Gary Neville because it is physically impossible she could be any worse.
She gets to commentate live on the biggest games.
Wrighty's back and everyone loves him.
Gary Neville gets shot and burried in an unmarked grave.
Everyone's a winner.
She's worse than Neville.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
I know i am going to get slaughtered for this but...... I dont think Neville is that bad.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
The bias on Sunday was a bit odd but he's okay. I don't mind either him or Carragher as pundits, just hate them on comms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
You're only saying that because he, and his brother, both happen to know which end of a cricket bat is which ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
At least the football is only ninety minutes long, unlike test cricket :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
His brother is a piece of ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
But I don't think Gary is that bad on commentary. There is definitely bias there but who cares?? Alan Smith is not exactly impartial :-)
All I look for is a tiny bit of insight. The ability to call it out when a player has done something deliberately, or when a ref has clearly dropped the ball on something.
I can't stand Carragher. Tosser.
i must admit, it does annoy me with test cricket. Most of the commentary teams and pundits are excellent but you have to have someone who has played that level, and faced balls at that pace. The rest of us simply aren't able to talk with authority about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
And as you say, there is a lot of air to fill over five days.....
Not possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Dancing with the fans of that promoted team that beat us in the first game, BW's debut, with half our team out with covid.
This season, I had the misfortune to hear him for the NUFC 2-1 win.
We go one down and he says real title contenders would find a way to equalise but we won't cos we're not.
We equalise.
He's pissed off but says, yeah, but really real title contenders would go on and win it.
We do.
He says, and I quote: "Oh. Oh, oh, oh. ..... Oh."
There is no way this bint could be worse than him
Stephen Hawkins could give her his voice box and I could give her a 2g line of K and she would still have a better accent and make more sense than Gary ****ing Neville.
The 'oh, oh, oh' bit..... I think you are reading that a bit wrong. He goes on to say this feels huge etc......Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
Clearly, he isnt a fan. But I dont think he is the worst. I find Carragher worse.
Please just drop it, P. My hatred of G Nev is irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I've spent all my life as a pacifist hippy, literally turning the other cheek after winding people up and getting a serious kicking for it. Multiple times.
But if I knew where Nev's kids went to school, I'd invoke the Goddess Kali and strangle them with a silken thread.
I hate him more than Sperz, Chavs, City, Yanks, Ruskies, Chinks, Tories, Brexiters, Macron, BJP/Rss/Shiv Sena Hindutva scum all put together.
Give me the address of his kids' homes and a roll of silk thread and I'll show you I'm serious.
Were your parents hippies, cosmic hippies, junkie hippies or India-trail hippies who know we live in the age of Kali-Yug, btw?
{FTR, I love them all equally. All God Is One and all that. I just ****ing detest Neville.}
An irrational hatred makes no sense. I understand perfectly :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
My parents just loved the music. They still went to work every day. Well, most days :-)
You could go and see Pink Floyd and still go to work the next morning.
I can say, having met P Nev on various occasions, that he is indeed a piece of ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Our sound system had the bass bins from PF's Animals tour. I'm sure the world, well the west, would be a better place if we all listened to hippy music instead of gangsta rap or that manufactured boyband type ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
The lyrics for about 15 years from Dylan through Lennon-Mac to Roger Walters {before he went totally off his rocker} probably do more to invoke the real spirit of Christianity than pretty much all of the New Testament baring the actual words of Jesus as reported in one or more of the 4 Gospels.
You're waiting for me to point out they are simply the working class lyricists of Romanticism which started 150+ years previously with the upper class poets, aren't you?
As such, your parents are Romantics as well as hippies.
Until I did that BA course and then later watched the Scharma doc, I never realised that our crusty traveller free rave/festy scene was in fact the apogee and last hurrah of Romanticism. Working class yoof Romanticism started with the hippies and ended with us.
Your parents listening to PF is no different to middle class poetry groups discussing the works of Lord Byron in the 1820s.
Floyd was really just an example. Their real passions were Dylan and The Who. Same rule applies though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
And by the way, Roger Waters- what an absolute ****ing ****. I could never hate any footballer the way I hate him.
Excellent news :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
They say you should never meet the people you despise, just in case they turn out to be alright. Good to know that P Neville is everything I suspected hom to be :-)
And in the working class youth aspect, where are you putting the Mods? They predated the hippiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
On the reverse of that, I always disliked Kevin Davies but he was a really nice chap. PJ thought he'd redone his ACL against Bolton and straight after the match Davies came straight to his box to check on him and see how he was. Thankfully it was just a meniscus injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
As a person, yes. As a lyricist, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way etc.
Depends if you count early Dylan as folk or proto-hippy. Blowin' in the wind, Times they are a'changing, Masters of war etc. All hippy in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
But yes, Mods, pure Romanticism - specifically working class yoof Romanticism that started in the early '60s.
PS - I agree with WES. Love the way a debate about Epstein transformed into one about the musical counter-culture from the '60s to the Teknivals being, by its inclusive nature in terms of age and class, the apogee of the Romanticism that replaced the Enlightenment in the 50 years from 1780-1830.
You see? Our generation were the last of the Romantics. Doesn't matter if those of us here were/are hippies, mods, punks, goths, ravers, travellers etc. We are the last of the Romantics. The yoof of today with their smart phones have their social media influencers while we had real Byronic heroes.
Romanticism ended with the birth of the digital world succeeding the end of the analogue one. That's why even in rave terms, a DJ mixing records or a live set playing acid music on analogue machines like a TB 303 were Romantics, while the digital CD mixing and computerised live sets aren't.
As I say, we were the last of the Romantics. And as Wordsworth said of the French Revolution that starts the changeover from the Enlightenment to Romanticism, and which applies equally to us:
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive
But to be young was very heaven
Do watch that Scharma series. Yes, I know he has a little snippet in each episode where he tries to show he's down wit da yoof, but even they work.
He has a French graffiti artist doing G?ricault’s "The Raft of the Medusa" on a wall in Paris saying that he sees his work as a continuation of Romanticism.
He has this Brummie rap poet called Testament remixing Blake's poem London where he uses all of Blake's poem about London 200 years ago mixed with his take on modern London. It's brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI8UdEug3Eo
I actually contacted him on one of his Youtube pages after watching it, writing in poetry and he replied to me in poetry. He's sound as ****.
I admit that me being so into the point of his series meant that I didn't care about him being annoying or pretentious. But if you're interested in Romanticism, how it started and how it continues to the present day, then it's a great 3 hours of telly.
But in short, yes, Mods, pure Romanticism.
See, I have a head start here because I cant stand Pink Floyd. And a clumsy paraphrasing of Thoreau isnt going to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
So I have always been able to see Waters for what he is- an arrogant, pompous prick. Now he's just an anti semitic, arrogant, pompous prick.
Leave me alone in a room with him and, to quote another romantic, somebody's going to emergency, somebody's going to jail :-)
Dylan counts as Dylan. He couldn't be categorised then and he cant now. He's off the charts. Unquantifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
So where will the romantics reappear? Or are you thinking we were the end of the line?
Re: Dylan. Yes, he's unique but you can't say Dylan's lyrics from his acoustic period don't foretell the hippy mentality. The fact that all hippies love/loved Dylan is all that matters in this regard, not the fact that he himself is unquantifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Re: Will Romanticism reappear? I'm thinking we're the end of the line. Like the Enlightenment followed the ending of the wars of religion between 1517 and the mid-C17th {1648 in Europe, 1649/60 in GB.}
This modern, digital world with social media echo chambers and influencers has no place for the exotic, the mystical, the sublime, the power of imagination. The culture wars with their regression to the tribalism and self-professed moral purity of the wars of religion era see a binary, Manichaean, black and white world of right and wrong. There is no place for the unique, subjective experience of the individual.
That's why I'm saying we were both the apogee of Romanticism - with the working class youth aspect opening it up to people of all social classes, races, and age groups - and the last of the Romantics. While we should mourn its passing, we should be grateful that we were there at the end. As Wordsworth said at the start,
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive and to be young was very heaven.
That's what I felt being part of the sound system doing the biggest and best free raves in the UK in the period after Castlemorton, and being part of the European teknival scene when we took the concept of new age travelling and free festivals to Europe, creating the first truly pan-European counter-culture.
And the hippies in the '60s, or the Mods, or the punks would have felt exactly the same. Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive and to be young was very heaven.
We had video cameras we kept in our truck for a few years at the Teknivals in Europe, and it required a ?6k computer set up for the video editing back then. But it was a case of let's do a bit of filming now and then - get the cameras and tripod and go out on a mission for a few hours and then put the stuff back and keep partying for a few days - and it was basically just us. {Others had done it in other places at other times.} But you couldn't have had that sublime, holistic connection if everyone was on smart phones at the parties taking selfies and uploading video to social media. It would have broken the spell taking a camera-phone out of your pocket when you're having it on the dancefloor or wandering 'round site.
There's no place for subjective individualism in this culture war, right and wrong world.
The global nature of the internet means that everything comes down to the lowest common denominator. There's no space for individual scenes and cultures to grow.
The free love of the hippy and free rave scenes has been replaced by a generation that can only meet by apps and don't shag. They can't communicate human to human - the essence of Romanticism - and we're now ending up with AI boyfriends and girlfriends.
If Romanticism is in essence about the sublime aspects of nature and the soul, how can we have that in a world of AI? First it was filters, then AI fakes and a computer has no soul with which you can connect, commune and combine.
Romanticism was about reconnecting with the human soul - the soul was vital up to and including the wars of religion era, but it was something that the priest caste deemed themselves in charge of. The Enlightenment replaced this power of organised religion with rationality. But it was Romanticism that brought back the dominance of the soul, but as an individual, mystical experience as opposed to organised religion telling you how you must think. The connection between our individual souls and the Holistic Divine was the driving force between the hippy acid heads and the E-ed up ravers.
But where is the place for that in the digital world with the growing power of AI?
How can you have the feeling of togetherness if everyone is looking through their own phone screen all the time, when it's all about showing your experience online to show off as opposed to actually enjoying and sharing the experience with everyone else there without ego?
A machine has no soul and no concept of the sublime. How can we all come together, greater than the sum of the parts, if we're just tied to machines and the ego trip of showing you were there is more important than the communal experience itself?
As I say, imo, we were both the apogee of Romanticism and the last of the Romantics.
We're the last cottage weavers as the factories of the industrial revolution spring up all around us and our world has ended, just like the Aztecs and Incas when the Conquistadors arrived. There ain't no going back.
It would be easier to deal with the coming world if we were digital natives, but we're not. Despite all our different tastes and cultures, we're the last of the Romantics and the more deeply we were part of those Romantic cultures, the more difficult it will be for us to deal with the modern world.
Well, that is a pretty ****ing depressing thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
Enough to make me thirsty... .
That's why you're supposed to have children, so they can deal with the Modern World and you don't have to. They enjoy this **** and they don't have any regrets yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I'll join you for a drink :-)
Enjoy your drink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Chuffed you agree with my analysis, though.
Raise your glass to us last of the Romantics and give thanks to Sublime Divinity that we were young in that dusk.
Enjoy your drink*.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
My best mate from my OU BA {he then did an MA in WW2 studies while mine was WW1} is a retired RAF wing cmdr. He's happy he doesn't have kids given the future where western hegemony has ended and autocracy is on the rise. His world, the one he'd given his whole life to defending, is over.
And as I've said to him, so is mine. He, an officer and a gentleman. Me, a crusty traveller. And we are on the same sides of the barricades as they shrink around us as our worlds disintegrate.
His world of western security guaranteeing our liberties is what allowed my world of hippy-punk anarchy to thrive.
And both are over.
*As I said to P:
Raise your glass to us last of the Romantics
Sure, the military can be just as much of a death cult as travelling. It just sounds like you both found your excuse to roll over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
Well done. But it's never over.