A few questions

[Pat Vegas]

is PPE flavour of the moment?
Last week it was moaning about people going to beaches.

Has there been any actual images from a UK hospital in crisis? Like the scenes you see in Italy and Spain?

[IUFG]

is PPE flavour of the moment?
Last week it was moaning about people going to beaches.

Has there been any actual images from a UK hospital in crisis? Like the scenes you see in Italy and Spain?

Apparently, only left-wing-activist-type clinical workers are witnessing a 'dangerous lack of PPE'.

[Sir C]

is PPE flavour of the moment?
Last week it was moaning about people going to beaches.

Has there been any actual images from a UK hospital in crisis? Like the scenes you see in Italy and Spain?

Plenty of PPE available unless you’re a Labour member, apparently. In which case you suffer miraculous PPE blindness.

There are plenty of ICU beds available and A&E is empty.

The only real downside is all the cancer patients dying unnecessarily because their operations have been cancelled. But obviously it’s worth a few extra deaths so we can all have a massive panic for no good reason.

[Pat Vegas]

Plenty of PPE available unless you’re a Labour member, apparently. In which case you suffer miraculous PPE blindness.

There are plenty of ICU beds available and A&E is empty.

The only real downside is all the cancer patients dying unnecessarily because their operations have been cancelled. But obviously it’s worth a few extra deaths so we can all have a massive panic for no good reason.
Getting bored of all this now.

I read more people died in Italy last year Jan to March than this year :sherlock:

[Sir C]

Getting bored of all this now.

I read more people died in Italy last year Jan to March than this year :sherlock:

In fairness this didn’t really get started until March, did it? I suspect when you add April numbers in it will look a bit different. Still, it’s a few thousand (tragic) extra deads. It’s not a ****in apocalypse.

[IUFG]

Getting bored of all this now.

I read more people died in Italy last year Jan to March than this year :sherlock:

https://www.euromomo.eu/ :rubchin:

https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/images/Multicountry-zscore-Total.png

[Pat Vegas]

In fairness this didn’t really get started until March, did it? I suspect when you add April numbers in it will look a bit different. Still, it’s a few thousand (tragic) extra deads. It’s not a ****in apocalypse.

Nah it also included part of April too. And it was
Still higher I need to find it.

[Pokster]

Getting bored of all this now.

I read more people died in Italy last year Jan to March than this year :sherlock:

What we will never know is how many more people would have died if the measures that have been put in place hadn't been actioned. It almost certainly has stopped the NHS breaking. There obviously is a lack of PPE getting to the front line and mistakes have obviously been made. But as usual it is turned into a political thread.

[dismalswamp]

In a serological pilot study, German virologist Hendrick Streeck comes to the interim result that the lethality of Covid19 is at 0.37% and the mortality (based on the total population) at 0.06%. These values are about ten times lower than those of the WHO and about five times lower than those of Johns Hopkins University.

A Danish study with 1500 blood donors found that the lethality of Covid19 is only 1.6 per thousand, i.e. more than 20 times lower than originally assumed by the WHO and thus in the range of a strong (pandemic) influenza. At the same time Denmark has decided to reopen schools and kindergartens next week.

A serological study in the US state of Colorado comes to the preliminary conclusion that the lethality of Covid19 has been overestimated by a factor of 5 to a factor of 20 and is likely to be in the range between normal and pandemic influenza.

A study conducted by the Medical University of Vienna concluded that the age and risk profile of Covid19 deaths is similar to normal mortality.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

In a serological pilot study, German virologist Hendrick Streeck comes to the interim result that the lethality of Covid19 is at 0.37% and the mortality (based on the total population) at 0.06%. These values are about ten times lower than those of the WHO and about five times lower than those of Johns Hopkins University.

A Danish study with 1500 blood donors found that the lethality of Covid19 is only 1.6 per thousand, i.e. more than 20 times lower than originally assumed by the WHO and thus in the range of a strong (pandemic) influenza. At the same time Denmark has decided to reopen schools and kindergartens next week.

A serological study in the US state of Colorado comes to the preliminary conclusion that the lethality of Covid19 has been overestimated by a factor of 5 to a factor of 20 and is likely to be in the range between normal and pandemic influenza.

A study conducted by the Medical University of Vienna concluded that the age and risk profile of Covid19 deaths is similar to normal mortality.

mankind suddenly seems to have developed an inordinately long and very bendy pénis with which it has decided to brutally fúck itself up the arse, not to mention their children and their children's children?

One thing though. Take Italy if you will. Why aren't they burying enormous numbers of their citizens every flu season?

[Burney]

Getting bored of all this now.

I read more people died in Italy last year Jan to March than this year :sherlock:

Right, well the ONS data for the week ending 3 April show 6,000+ deaths over the five-year average, f. What do you reckon that was about, then?

By all means argue that the lockdown may not be the best plan (God knows, I have), but let's not try and pretend that this disease isn't killing relatively large numbers of people over and above the norm.

[Pat Vegas]

Right, well the ONS data for the week ending 3 April show 6,000+ deaths over the five-year average, f. What do you reckon that was about, then?

By all means argue that the lockdown may not be the best plan (God knows, I have), but let's not try and pretend that this disease isn't killing relatively large numbers of people over and above the norm.

Absoultely it's definately killing lots of people. and it's horrendous.

But there are some strange things going on, Not to be a conspiracy nut. I just hope all deaths are being correctly recorded.

[Burney]

Absoultely it's definately killing lots of people. and it's horrendous.

But there are some strange things going on, Not to be a conspiracy nut. I just hope all deaths are being correctly recorded.

Of course they're not. It's virtually impossible to record all the deaths accurately at the moment. Not least because you have the question of 'dying with' and 'dying of', which are being far too easily confused at the moment. And different countries are recording slightly differently (or in some cases just flat-out lying). Equally, countries with low population densities are being compared on infection rates with ones with high population density. It's impossible to get an accurate picture as things stand.

The brutal truth is this, though: this thing is going to go through the global population. We have no choice about that. All that can be controlled is the rate of spread and thus the rate of deaths. Whether we like it or not, we're either going to get herd immunity through contracting it or (much less likely in the short term) by a vaccine. That means that mortality rates for those who contract it when this is all over are likely to be similar everywhere - just over different periods and mitigated only by factors of better and more available treatment.

[Sir C]

Of course they're not. It's virtually impossible to record all the deaths accurately at the moment. Not least because you have the question of 'dying with' and 'dying of', which are being far too easily confused at the moment. And different countries are recording slightly differently (or in some cases just flat-out lying). Equally, countries with low population densities are being compared on infection rates with ones with high population density. It's impossible to get an accurate picture as things stand.

The brutal truth is this, though: this thing is going to go through the global population. We have no choice about that. All that can be controlled is the rate of spread and thus the rate of deaths. Whether we like it or not, we're either going to get herd immunity through contracting it or (much less likely in the short term) by a vaccine. That means that mortality rates for those who contract it when this is all over are likely to be similar everywhere - just over different periods and mitigated only by factors of better and more available treatment.

It’s not necessarily a bad thing, mind. We’ve got far too many people and too many of them are old. Something that thins out the alter kackers might be helpful in the long run.

Granted, this theory may not be so appealing to those egotists who fear the blessed release of death.

[Burney]

It’s not necessarily a bad thing, mind. We’ve got far too many people and too many of them are old. Something that thins out the alter kackers might be helpful in the long run.

Granted, this theory may not be so appealing to those egotists who fear the blessed release of death.

It could mean the housing market temporarily becomes flooded as old'uns drop off the perch in large numbers. However, that will simply mean a drop in prices (good news for buying) that could mean inheriting families decide instead to rent rather than sell at the bottom of the market.

[Burney]

It’s not necessarily a bad thing, mind. We’ve got far too many people and too many of them are old. Something that thins out the alter kackers might be helpful in the long run.

Granted, this theory may not be so appealing to those egotists who fear the blessed release of death.

Talking of blessed release, did you see this? :hehe:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/pensioner-flung-fighter-jet-2500-ft-grabbing-ejector-seat-handle/

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

may not be so appealing to those egotists who fear the blessed release of death.

Says the man who wept like an abandoned child when he got a little bit of cancer up his enormous great conk.

[Tony C]

is PPE flavour of the moment?
Last week it was moaning about people going to beaches.

Has there been any actual images from a UK hospital in crisis? Like the scenes you see in Italy and Spain?


Poor nurse given no equipment :cry:


https://youtu.be/Qx1XCAeePWA

Oooooh wait...hang on....update...

She had her own mask
But was told not to use and to use the one the hospital has provided
She then made this video
And 2 days later is an Instagram model

:clap:

Outstanding levels of f uckery here

[Sir C]

Talking of blessed release, did you see this? :hehe:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/pensioner-flung-fighter-jet-2500-ft-grabbing-ejector-seat-handle/

Lols, I did indeed. Quite a few questions for the frog Air Force to answer here, I feel.

[Burney]

Lols, I did indeed. Quite a few questions for the frog Air Force to answer here, I feel.

I just feel terribly sorry for the poor old sod being shoved into a fighter jet when he clearly didn't fancy it one little bit.

Bit of a technical failure with both seats not ejecting, too.

[Pokster]

Of course they're not. It's virtually impossible to record all the deaths accurately at the moment. Not least because you have the question of 'dying with' and 'dying of', which are being far too easily confused at the moment. And different countries are recording slightly differently (or in some cases just flat-out lying). Equally, countries with low population densities are being compared on infection rates with ones with high population density. It's impossible to get an accurate picture as things stand.

The brutal truth is this, though: this thing is going to go through the global population. We have no choice about that. All that can be controlled is the rate of spread and thus the rate of deaths. Whether we like it or not, we're either going to get herd immunity through contracting it or (much less likely in the short term) by a vaccine. That means that mortality rates for those who contract it when this is all over are likely to be similar everywhere - just over different periods and mitigated only by factors of better and more available treatment.

Figures can't be accurate.. for example, my B-I-L has MN and has received a letter saying if he gets suspected Covid, he won't be taken to hospital or receive any breathing aid as he has a short life expectency anyway. So as and when he dies he won't be recorded as a virus death no matter what takes him.

ANother point is, he can't recieve any visitors even though he only has a few weeks anyway, seems so sad that his family can't even say goodbye

[Monty92]

Figures can't be accurate.. for example, my B-I-L has MN and has received a letter saying if he gets suspected Covid, he won't be taken to hospital or receive any breathing aid as he has a short life expectency anyway. So as and when he dies he won't be recorded as a virus death no matter what takes him.

ANother point is, he can't recieve any visitors even though he only has a few weeks anyway, seems so sad that his family can't even say goodbye

Hang on, your b-i-l only has a few weeks to live regardless?

[Pokster]

Hang on, your b-i-l only has a few weeks to live regardless?

Yes, 2-3 weeks they think

[IUFG]

Yes, 2-3 weeks they think

condolences, p

a terrible disease.

[Pokster]

condolences, p

a terrible disease.

Thanks, he just wants it to end now