This weekend I have mostly found out that someone called Caroline Flack existed

[Burney]

and that I should apparently be sad that she no longer does.

I hate it when this sort of thing happens. It forces me to confront aspects of popular culture I've spent years deliberately avoiding.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

She had a nice pair of tits.

[PSRB]

and that I should apparently be sad that she no longer does.

I hate it when this sort of thing happens. It forces me to confront aspects of popular culture I've spent years deliberately avoiding.

Also a boyfriend batterer and apparently it's the fault of the press that they reported that

[PSRB]

She had a nice pair of tits.

great legs

[Burney]

great legs

This is quite the eulogy you chaps are putting together.

Honestly, though, I'm genuinely rather impressed with myself. This woman was apparently befouling our airwaves for well over a decade amnd I managed to remain blissfully unaware of her existence until now. This is what a rigid regime of cultural snobbery and never watching ITV can achieve.

[Burney]

She had a nice pair of tits.

She probably still does, to be fair. Although it does depend on whether they've done the autopsy yet. :sternumshears:

[IUFG]

and that I should apparently be sad that she no longer does.

I hate it when this sort of thing happens. It forces me to confront aspects of popular culture I've spent years deliberately avoiding.

I'd heard of her but wouldn't know her if I stepped on her.

Some juicy stuff must have been coming up at the trial, that's all I can think of all this.

[Rich]

I'd heard of her but wouldn't know her if I stepped on her.

Some juicy stuff must have been coming up at the trial, that's all I can think of all this.

Apparently she was terrified about the use of police body cam footage at the trail. Presumably she was behaving like a psychopath.

Do we think that there would be this outpouring of grief had it been a guy committing suicide after beating his girlfriend to within an inch of her life? The press sure aren’t perfect but I see them reporting nothing but facts in this case.

[Burney]

Apparently she was terrified about the use of police body cam footage at the trail. Presumably she was behaving like a psychopath.

Do we think that there would be this outpouring of grief had it been a guy committing suicide after beating his girlfriend to within an inch of her life? The press sure aren’t perfect but I see them reporting nothing but facts in this case.

:nono: She was the lamp-wielding, boyfriend-battering Queen of Our Hearts, r.

Anyone saying otherwise is just a misogynist.

[PSRB]

:nono: She was the lamp-wielding, boyfriend-battering Queen of Our Hearts, r.

Anyone saying otherwise is just a misogynist.

#Carolineslaw :rolleyes:

[Pokster]

Apparently she was terrified about the use of police body cam footage at the trail. Presumably she was behaving like a psychopath.

Do we think that there would be this outpouring of grief had it been a guy committing suicide after beating his girlfriend to within an inch of her life? The press sure aren’t perfect but I see them reporting nothing but facts in this case.

How strange that aa doctor is taking an issue of mental health so lightly.

[Burney]

How strange that aa doctor is taking an issue of mental health so lightly.

Sorry, but are you suggesting that reporters ought to soft-pedal stories about the criminal behaviour of public figures just in case they huff off and top themselves?

I'm not sure that a willingness to give in to emotional blackmail is a good basis for a free press.

[PSRB]

How strange that aa doctor is taking an issue of mental health so lightly.

I don't think he is. He makes a valid point (for once), if it had been reversed, her fella would have been vilified

[barrybueno]

and that I should apparently be sad that she no longer does.

I hate it when this sort of thing happens. It forces me to confront aspects of popular culture I've spent years deliberately avoiding.

I'm not quite in your league as I did somehow know the name, but nothing more about her so I can still be very proud imo.

[Pokster]

Sorry, but are you suggesting that reporters ought to soft-pedal stories about the criminal behaviour of public figures just in case they huff off and top themselves?

I'm not sure that a willingness to give in to emotional blackmail is a good basis for a free press.

She has been hounded by the press for the last few months, she was obviously suffering sever mental health issues (threats to kill herself, self harm) , and as far as i'm aware she hadn't been found guilty of anything. Her boyfirend (who was very drunk at the time) called the police, anmd who also didn't want her charged, so who knows what she had done and what she hadn't done.

[PSRB]

She has been hounded by the press for the last few months, she was obviously suffering sever mental health issues (threats to kill herself, self harm) , and as far as i'm aware she hadn't been found guilty of anything. Her boyfirend (who was very drunk at the time) called the police, anmd who also didn't want her charged, so who knows what she had done and what she hadn't done.

Doesn't matter that he withdrew the complaint, CPS believed they would get a conviction. She was also given a restraining order initially.

[Pokster]

Doesn't matter that he withdrew the complaint, CPS believed they would get a conviction. She was also given a restraining order initially.

Correct, but she has been hounded by the press when they kneww full well of her mental health issues, that is also a fact. There is the usual talk that things will change, but they won't, the press try to sell papers/advertising/click bait so they won't give a damn, ont the next celeb and damn the consequences

[IUFG]

Correct, but she has been hounded by the press when they kneww full well of her mental health issues, that is also a fact. There is the usual talk that things will change, but they won't, the press try to sell papers/advertising/click bait so they won't give a damn, ont the next celeb and damn the consequences



Most celebs are raging narcissistic personality disordered cnuts, who absolutely love the attention when it is fanning the flames of their celebrity.

The moment the adulation turns into a bit of criticism, won't they all play the mental health card?

[Pokster]

Most celebs are raging narcissistic personality disordered cnuts, who absolutely love the attention when it is fanning the flames of their celebrity.

The moment the adulation turns into a bit of criticism, won't they all play the mental health card?

No, as we have seen previously most of them don't.

[IUFG]

No, as we have seen previously most of them don't.

ah, but with the possible introduction of #Carolineslaw ?

[Rich]

Correct, but she has been hounded by the press when they kneww full well of her mental health issues, that is also a fact. There is the usual talk that things will change, but they won't, the press try to sell papers/advertising/click bait so they won't give a damn, ont the next celeb and damn the consequences

Could I ask what mental health issues she suffered with and what the protocol for her informing the IPSO is? Also, what have the press done beyond report the facts of the crime she committed and was being prosecuted for?

[IUFG]

No, as we have seen previously most of them don't.

and most don't top themselves.

[Pokster]

Could I ask what mental health issues she suffered with and what the protocol for her informing the IPSO is? Also, what have the press done beyond report the facts of the crime she committed and was being prosecuted for?

Well the fact she killed herself suggests stress, anxiety and depression must feature somewhere, the fact an Ambulance was called the day before she killed herself also suggests this, the fact a friend was staying with her as her family were concerned what she might do also suggests there were mental health issues.

They didn't just report the facts they glorified them to make it a "bigger" story.

[Pokster]

and most don't top themselves.

Which again suggests she had serious mental health issues and they had been there for a while

[Burney]

She has been hounded by the press for the last few months, she was obviously suffering sever mental health issues (threats to kill herself, self harm) , and as far as i'm aware she hadn't been found guilty of anything. Her boyfirend (who was very drunk at the time) called the police, anmd who also didn't want her charged, so who knows what she had done and what she hadn't done.

By 'hounded', you mean 'faced the media scrutiny usual to a famous person accused of a violent crime'. Surely you can see that pleading mental health and threats of self-harm as a way of getting the press of your case is a tactic that could be cynically manipulated by anyone who wants to avoid scrutiny? The idea that the press should back off just because a celeb plays the mental health card just doesn't fly, I'm afraid.

And her boyfriend asking that she not be prosecuted isn't really relevant, since the CPS policy is to prosecute in cases of domestic violence regardless of what the alleged victim says. Not doing so risks abusers manipulating their victims so that they get away with it.

[Rich]

By 'hounded', you mean 'faced the media scrutiny usual to a famous person accused of a violent crime'. Surely you can see that pleading mental health and threats of self-harm as a way of getting the press of your case is a tactic that could be cynically manipulated by anyone who wants to avoid scrutiny? The idea that the press should back off just because a celeb plays the mental health card just doesn't fly, I'm afraid.

And her boyfriend asking that she not be prosecuted isn't really relevant, since the CPS policy is to prosecute in cases of domestic violence regardless of what the alleged victim says. Not doing so risks abusers manipulating their victims so that they get away with it.

I do wonder whether there was some control/manipulation being exerted on her boyfriend in this case. The crime she was accused of was undoubtedly serious and should be treated as such. Her boyfriend will now not see justice served.

[Burney]

Well the fact she killed herself suggests stress, anxiety and depression must feature somewhere, the fact an Ambulance was called the day before she killed herself also suggests this, the fact a friend was staying with her as her family were concerned what she might do also suggests there were mental health issues.

They didn't just report the facts they glorified them to make it a "bigger" story.

I'm sorry, but the fact that someone can't cope with the consequences of their actions is not a reason not to investigate and report those actions.

[Pokster]

By 'hounded', you mean 'faced the media scrutiny usual to a famous person accused of a violent crime'. Surely you can see that pleading mental health and threats of self-harm as a way of getting the press of your case is a tactic that could be cynically manipulated by anyone who wants to avoid scrutiny? The idea that the press should back off just because a celeb plays the mental health card just doesn't fly, I'm afraid.

And her boyfriend asking that she not be prosecuted isn't really relevant, since the CPS policy is to prosecute in cases of domestic violence regardless of what the alleged victim says. Not doing so risks abusers manipulating their victims so that they get away with it.

Yes i do mean what you said, and how they report it is completly over the top, always has been and since social media took off it has become worse. She was obviously a troubled individual but that didn't cause the press to back off in the slightest.

And I am perfectly aware what the law states on domestic violence, she was more than likely guilty, but from what I can gather she has inflicted serious injuries on herself on the evening in question, so again, it was fairly obvious that she had serious mental health issues.

[Sir C]

Well the fact she killed herself suggests stress, anxiety and depression must feature somewhere, the fact an Ambulance was called the day before she killed herself also suggests this, the fact a friend was staying with her as her family were concerned what she might do also suggests there were mental health issues.

They didn't just report the facts they glorified them to make it a "bigger" story.

The trouble with objecting to the antics of the gutter press is that there is no solution to it. If one could transplant some simple human decency into journalists they might behave like decent human beings but... have you ever met a journalist?

[Pokster]

I'm sorry, but the fact that someone can't cope with the consequences of their actions is not a reason not to investigate and report those actions.

It is the way they report these actions that is the issue, this has been going on for sometime with her, and I will repeat it again, it was obvious to anyone who knew her (and that will include the press) that she had serious mental health issues.

[Rich]

It is the way they report these actions that is the issue, this has been going on for sometime with her, and I will repeat it again, it was obvious to anyone who knew her (and that will include the press) that she had serious mental health issues.

Perhaps all public figures should be certified and risk rated so that the press know when they can report news on individuals and when it cannot.

[Pokster]

Perhaps all public figures should be certified and risk rated so that the press know when they can report news on individuals and when it cannot.

My god you are some sort of idiot.

The press knew she had issues, the fact they continued to report on it the way they did is the bigger issue

[Burney]

Yes i do mean what you said, and how they report it is completly over the top, always has been and since social media took off it has become worse. She was obviously a troubled individual but that didn't cause the press to back off in the slightest.

And I am perfectly aware what the law states on domestic violence, she was more than likely guilty, but from what I can gather she has inflicted serious injuries on herself on the evening in question, so again, it was fairly obvious that she had serious mental health issues.

If that were the case, she ought to have been sectioned for her own good. That's not down to the press.

[Burney]

It is the way they report these actions that is the issue, this has been going on for sometime with her, and I will repeat it again, it was obvious to anyone who knew her (and that will include the press) that she had serious mental health issues.

And I would repeat that if that was the case, it was up to the authorities and her family to protect her from herself.

She worked on a show that exploited stupid, vain, young people by placing them under the microscope for public entertainment. Some couldn't cope and killed themselves. They'd committed no crimes and received no protection. But she, as someone who was complicit in this shít should have been treated more carefully because she was famous? Bóllocks.

[Burney]

The trouble with objecting to the antics of the gutter press is that there is no solution to it. If one could transplant some simple human decency into journalists they might behave like decent human beings but... have you ever met a journalist?

How is Barney in these winds?

[Burney]

Perhaps all public figures should be certified and risk rated so that the press know when they can report news on individuals and when it cannot.

:hehe: Yes, can't see how that might be exploited.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

and that I should apparently be sad that she no longer does.

I hate it when this sort of thing happens. It forces me to confront aspects of popular culture I've spent years deliberately avoiding.


I'd never heard of her before the weekend. Still not really sure who she is or, more importantly, what she has done.

[Sir C]

How is Barney in these winds?

He's fine. He's ignoring his shelter completely and standing out in the wind and rain grazing happily. My new friends on horsey fora (where I tend to hang out these days, of course) tell me that this is quite normal for rugged UK natives such as Barney.

[Burney]

He's fine. He's ignoring his shelter completely and standing out in the wind and rain grazing happily. My new friends on horsey fora (where I tend to hang out these days, of course) tell me that this is quite normal for rugged UK natives such as Barney.

:nod: He's a tough, manly, British horse, who's so hard he probably doesn't even notice when it's raining.

Not like theses effeminate, poncey, foreign horses who need the central heating on at a constant 30 degrees.

[Pat Vegas]

and that I should apparently be sad that she no longer does.

I hate it when this sort of thing happens. It forces me to confront aspects of popular culture I've spent years deliberately avoiding.

I knew of her many years ago of being the presenter of the FASH FC games on Bravo.

[IUFG]

Which again suggests she had serious mental health issues and they had been there for a while

Did anyone ask, when she verbalised suicidal thoughts, if she "had a plan", I wonder?

If she did have a plan, she should have been detained for assessment / sectioned.

[Burney]

Did anyone ask, when she verbalised suicidal thoughts, if she "had a plan", I wonder?

If she did have a plan, she should have been detained for assessment / sectioned.

In the aftermath of suicides, everyone finds reasons to blame themselves/ask themselves whether they could have done more. However, the fact is that the decision lies with the individual and that it can only be their responsibility.

Everything else - press, police, medical staff - is just a distraction from that fact.

[PSRB]

In the aftermath of suicides, everyone finds reasons to blame themselves/ask themselves whether they could have done more. However, the fact is that the decision lies with the individual and that it can only be their responsibility.

Everything else - press, police, medical staff - is just a distraction from that fact.

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[Burney]

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Ah, well I'm only talking about the suicides that people do themselves. Not the ones other people do to them.