C, the explosion was heard 24 secs after the flash in the sky. That's exactly 27,000

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

feet at the speed of sound.

That's a normal height for a passenger plane, is it? For some reason I thought they went at 33,000 ft.

So if this plane was at a normal plane height, and would have been going at the normal plane speed, how could they have thought it was a warplane?

That system the Ruskies sold to the Turks recognises all types of planes, including MiGs. Don't the Iranians have something similar?

Basically, in words of one syllable, how did they fück it up?

[Burney]

feet at the speed of sound.

That's a normal height for a passenger plane, is it? For some reason I thought they went at 33,000 ft.

So if this plane was at a normal plane height, and would have been going at the normal plane speed, how could they have thought it was a warplane?

That system the Ruskies sold to the Turks recognises all types of planes, including MiGs. Don't the Iranians have something similar?

Basically, in words of one syllable, how did they fück it up?

It had just taken off, so it wouldn't have reached its cruising height yet. And the cruising speed of a B52 isn't much different to that of a commercial airliner.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

It had just taken off, so it wouldn't have reached its cruising height yet. And the cruising speed of a B52 isn't much different to that of a commercial airliner.

I didn't know that. But this Graun video shows the flash, and then says the boom is heard 24 secs later.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/jan/10/iran-video-appears-to-show-missile-striking-ukrainian-plane-video

Now I worked out the speed of sound at 24 secs and converted it to feet and it's exactly 27,000 ft.

I know that it wasn't directly above so the sound wave would have moved horizontally as well as downwards. But that does seem a very round number. That flash was exactly 27k ft away from the camera that filmed it.

[Burney]

I didn't know that. But this Graun video shows the flash, and then says the boom is heard 24 secs later.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/jan/10/iran-video-appears-to-show-missile-striking-ukrainian-plane-video

Now I worked out the speed of sound at 24 secs and converted it to feet and it's exactly 27,000 ft.

I know that it wasn't directly above so the sound wave would have moved horizontally as well as downwards. But that does seem a very round number. That flash was exactly 27k ft away from the camera that filmed it.

So what are you suspicious about? The roundness of the number?

[Sir C]

feet at the speed of sound.

That's a normal height for a passenger plane, is it? For some reason I thought they went at 33,000 ft.

So if this plane was at a normal plane height, and would have been going at the normal plane speed, how could they have thought it was a warplane?

That system the Ruskies sold to the Turks recognises all types of planes, including MiGs. Don't the Iranians have something similar?

Basically, in words of one syllable, how did they fück it up?

It happened 3 minutes after take off. The aircraft would have been at around 5,000', depending on ATC / SID restrictions.

'Normal' cruising height is anywhere between 25,000' and 42,000'. Jet engines are more efficient the higher you go, so the higher the better, really.

[Sir C]

I didn't know that. But this Graun video shows the flash, and then says the boom is heard 24 secs later.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/jan/10/iran-video-appears-to-show-missile-striking-ukrainian-plane-video

Now I worked out the speed of sound at 24 secs and converted it to feet and it's exactly 27,000 ft.

I know that it wasn't directly above so the sound wave would have moved horizontally as well as downwards. But that does seem a very round number. That flash was exactly 27k ft away from the camera that filmed it.

:hehe: 27,000' is about 5 miles, you daft bugger. :hehe:

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

So what are you suspicious about? The roundness of the number?

Not suspicious, really. More that when I've been on planes and awake (as opposed to knocked out on vallies and booze) they said they're flying at 33,000ft or at 30,000 ft so I was asking our resident pilot if they also fly at 27,000ft.

Cos 24 secs works out at 27,007 ft. So yes, you're right. It's the roundness of the number.

I'm not saying there's a conspiracy. More like:

1. Could a passenger jet have been at 27k ft as the maths says?
2. If so, they've got a plane going at exactly passenger jet height and speed so how did the godless heathens get it wrong?

The only good Persians were the Parsis and they went to India to get away from heathen persecution and inability to control a SAM.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

:hehe: 27,000' is about 5 miles, you daft bugger. :hehe:

Yes. Mach 1 = 343m/s

x24secs = 8,232m (Roughly five miles.)

=27,007 ft.

Where is my maths wrong? What have I missed?

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

It happened 3 minutes after take off. The aircraft would have been at around 5,000', depending on ATC / SID restrictions.

'Normal' cruising height is anywhere between 25,000' and 42,000'. Jet engines are more efficient the higher you go, so the higher the better, really.

Ok. So while a plane could be 27k', you reckon it was 5k' up.

Using Pi's right angled triangles, then the plane would be 5k feet up and 26.6k feet away horizontally - 8.23kms, just over 5 miles.

I guess that makes sense. Does the plane in the vid look 5 miles away to you, C? Is that roughly right?

[Burney]

Not suspicious, really. More that when I've been on planes and awake (as opposed to knocked out on vallies and booze) they said they're flying at 33,000ft or at 30,000 ft so I was asking our resident pilot if they also fly at 27,000ft.

Cos 24 secs works out at 27,007 ft. So yes, you're right. It's the roundness of the number.

I'm not saying there's a conspiracy. More like:

1. Could a passenger jet have been at 27k ft as the maths says?
2. If so, they've got a plane going at exactly passenger jet height and speed so how did the godless heathens get it wrong?

The only good Persians were the Parsis and they went to India to get away from heathen persecution and inability to control a SAM.

They got it wrong because they're jumpy, probably ill-trained and thought they were about to get barbecued by a US airstrike.

[Sir C]

Yes. Mach 1 = 343m/s

x24secs = 8,232m (Roughly five miles.)

=27,007 ft.

Where is my maths wrong? What have I missed?

The aircraft is not directly overhead the photographer, is it? It is, apparently, 5 miles away in slant distance, so perhaps 4.5 miles away horizontally. :shrug: Remember your right-angled triangle calculations?

[Sir C]

Ok. So while a plane could be 27k', you reckon it was 5k' up.

Using Pi's right angled triangles, then the plane would be 5k feet up and 26.6k feet away horizontally - 8.23kms, just over 5 miles.

I guess that makes sense. Does the plane in the vid look 5 miles away to you, C? Is that roughly right?

Sorry, I didn't notice this.

It depends on the focal length of the lens, of course, but yes, it could be anywhere between, say, 2 and 10 miles away, easily.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

They got it wrong because they're jumpy, probably ill-trained and thought they were about to get barbecued by a US airstrike.

But when Turkey and the Yanks were arguing about missile systems, I read that they know what sort of plane is what. How come the Iranian system didn't know it was a 737 or whatever it was? How did it mix it up with a bomber?

And more to the point, why would the yanks be attacking with a plane? Surely they'd use drones or sea-launched missiles?

I get that they're jumpy and backward, but it's still pretty crap.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

The aircraft is not directly overhead the photographer, is it? It is, apparently, 5 miles away in slant distance, so perhaps 4.5 miles away horizontally. :shrug: Remember your right-angled triangle calculations?

I said that in the next reply.

Using O^2 + A^2 = H^2, if I use your figure of it being 5k ft up (O), and the H being the 27k ft it took the sound to come down and across, then A, the horizontal distance, is 8.23kms, just over 5 miles.

Sorry to waste everyone's time. As B said, I was just getting suspicious of such a round number and thought I'd proved that the plane was flying at exactly 27k ft, which is a normal passenger jet height.

I forgot it wasn't directly over head.

[Sir C]

I said that in the next reply.

Using O^2 + A^2 = H^2, if I use your figure of it being 5k ft up (O), and the H being the 27k ft it took the sound to come down and across, then A, the horizontal distance, is 8.23kms, just over 5 miles.

Sorry to waste everyone's time. As B said, I was just getting suspicious of such a round number and thought I'd proved that the plane was flying at exactly 27k ft, which is a normal passenger jet height.

I forgot it wasn't directly over head.

Easily done g. Just made me chuckle for a moment.

I nooticed this place for the first time last time. Now I'm mad to try it. https://tandoorchophouse.com/

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Easily done g. Just made me chuckle for a moment.

I nooticed this place for the first time last time. Now I'm mad to try it. https://tandoorchophouse.com/

Oooh, looks nice.

Btw, there's a Pakistani grill house near my mate's in Whitechappel. Jay Rayner mentioned it in the Observer a couple of months back. He says the best thing (other than the food) is that you can bring your own booze with no corkage. So you spend £25 on a bottle (the normal min price in a London restaurant) from a wine shop, and enjoy the grilled meat with a lovely claret (or whatever) which would cost you the best part of a oner in a normal restaurant.

Asked my mate about it - it's just opposite his - and he says it's great.

Do you know of it? If not, do you want me to find out the address or whatever?

[Sir C]

Oooh, looks nice.

Btw, there's a Pakistani grill house near my mate's in Whitechappel. Jay Rayner mentioned it in the Observer a couple of months back. He says the best thing (other than the food) is that you can bring your own booze with no corkage. So you spend £25 on a bottle (the normal min price in a London restaurant) from a wine shop, and enjoy the grilled meat with a lovely claret (or whatever) which would cost you the best part of a oner in a normal restaurant.

Asked my mate about it - it's just opposite his - and he says it's great.

Do you know of it? If not, do you want me to find out the address or whatever?

Tayyabs, g. Extremely famous. I've always been tempted to go but, on principle, I refuse to have anything to do with Pakistanis.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Tayyabs, g. Extremely famous. I've always been tempted to go but, on principle, I refuse to have anything to do with Pakistanis.

Oh, you know my thoughts on the Jinnahites. But I like grilled meat. And I really like nice French wine but am too poor normally to drink it in a restaurant. Thus, I will compromise my principles in this manner.

And they are, y'know, British now. Maybe they came here as they accept partition was wrong. Sinners can repent, and all that.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Tayyabs, g. Extremely famous. I've always been tempted to go but, on principle, I refuse to have anything to do with Pakistanis.

Ps, let me know if you try that thali from your place. Sounds nice. I'd like to eat a posh thali as opposed to a veggie one that just costs Rs 80.