So here it comes - the Labour manifesto and an inevitable surge in the polls

[Monty92]

This is absolutely nailed on for a hung parliament, isn't it.

[PSRB]

This is absolutely nailed on for a hung parliament, isn't it.

Not once it's pointed out how it's actually going to be funded! The public don't generally like paying for stuff through higher/more taxes

[barrybueno]

Not once it's pointed out how it's actually going to be funded! The public don't generally like paying for stuff through higher/more taxes

The public are thick as pigshít, 90% of the ****s shouldn't even be allowed to vote, I'm going with Monty91 well hung, like me :-)

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

Not once it's pointed out how it's actually going to be funded! The public don't generally like paying for stuff through higher/more taxes

have been no Labour adminstrations in the past 100 years. I don't think you have anything to fear. All I'm hearing from the northern rabble is how they are switching to the Tories to get the Brexit they voted for.

Of course, most of them are stupid enough to think they will somehow be immediately enriched within a couple of months of the actual leave date. They neither understand nor give a hoot about nationhood, sovereignty or democracy. They have simply been hoodwinked into blaming the EU for their misery.

They will only keep the Bullingdon Bullshítter in office for one term during which Labour will jettison Jezza and shift rightwards enough for a landslide.

Check all this with Monty

[Sir C]

have been no Labour adminstrations in the past 100 years. I don't think you have anything to fear. All I'm hearing from the northern rabble is how they are switching to the Tories to get the Brexit they voted for.

Of course, most of them are stupid enough to think they will somehow be immediately enriched within a couple of months of the actual leave date. They neither understand nor give a hoot about nationhood, sovereignty or democracy. They have simply been hoodwinked into blaming the EU for their misery.

They will only keep the Bullingdon Bullshítter in office for one term during which Labour will jettison Jezza and shift rightwards enough for a landslide.

Check all this with Monty

Actually, given their prediliction for offering free stuff to the lazy, feckless proles, it's amazing how few Labour administrations we have been blessed with. One might beging to suspect that there is a degree of common sense amongst the electorate.

[PSRB]

Actually, given their prediliction for offering free stuff to the lazy, feckless proles, it's amazing how few Labour administrations we have been blessed with. One might beging to suspect that there is a degree of common sense amongst the electorate.

and the main Labour government within our lifetime wasn't particularly left-wing anyway.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

Actually, given their prediliction for offering free stuff to the lazy, feckless proles, it's amazing how few Labour administrations we have been blessed with. One might beging to suspect that there is a degree of common sense amongst the electorate.

Brexit you ghastly old xenophobe.

Anyway, how is your convalescence progressing? Are your eyeballs once again capable of rapidly rotating through 360 degrees at the merest whiff of real or imagined kommunist konspirassies?

[Viva Prat Vegas]

You make him sound like Kevin Maguire
:rolleyes:

[Pokster]

Not once it's pointed out how it's actually going to be funded! The public don't generally like paying for stuff through higher/more taxes

While we have Boris promising £500 for every person because they raise the NI threshold (even though it is worth only £95 per person), so in effect, all parties lie for votes, always have, always will

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Actually, given their prediliction for offering free stuff to the lazy, feckless proles, it's amazing how few Labour administrations we have been blessed with. One might beging to suspect that there is a degree of common sense amongst the electorate.

I know. The ungrateful swine vote against their economic interests. This is why we need a proper revolution, so the proles can't be talked out of voting for us by the right-wing papers cos we'd have abolished voting.

Obviously, we have a nomenklatura system to ensure the likes of me are giving the orders. And unfortunately, you'll be in a gulag, but I'll see if I can pull any strings to get extra cabbage.

[Sir C]

Brexit you ghastly old xenophobe.

Anyway, how is your convalescence progressing? Are your eyeballs once again capable of rapidly rotating through 360 degrees at the merest whiff of real or imagined kommunist konspirassies?

Progressing slowly, I’m afraid. Still only working a couple of hours a day. Or as John McDonnell would call it,, full time.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

While we have Boris promising £500 for every person because they raise the NI threshold (even though it is worth only £95 per person), so in effect, all parties lie for votes, always have, always will

You don't seem to understand p even though that nice Mr Raab patiently explained yesterday when justifying the fake fact checking kerfuffle. Labour lies are such terrible lies that the Tories have to lie yet more to compensate and if that means faking Twitter accounts then so be it.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

How much free stuff then? I’m seeing free broadband, free bus travel for under 25’s, 30 hours free day care for all 2-4 year olds, free university for 6 years. Anything else?

[Sir C]

I know. The ungrateful swine vote against their economic interests. This is why we need a proper revolution, so the proles can't be talked out of voting for us by the right-wing papers cos we'd have abolished voting.

Obviously, we have a nomenklatura system to ensure the likes of me are giving the orders. And unfortunately, you'll be in a gulag, but I'll see if I can pull any strings to get extra cabbage.

Cabbage? My bourgeois ass doesn’t deserve the luxury of cabbage!

A thin skilley will do me nicely thank you comrade. While you’re there, I’d like to denounce my parents and my as yet unborn children as enemies of the people. Thank you.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

I know. The ungrateful swine vote against their economic interests. This is why we need a proper revolution, so the proles can't be talked out of voting for us by the right-wing papers cos we'd have abolished voting.

Obviously, we have a nomenklatura system to ensure the likes of me are giving the orders. And unfortunately, you'll be in a gulag, but I'll see if I can pull any strings to get extra cabbage.
He won't be in any gulag I'm afraid. I have personally earmarked him for swift dispatchment down a well, top hat 'n all

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

How much free stuff then? I’m seeing free broadband, free bus travel for under 25’s, 30 hours free day care for all 2-4 year olds, free university for 6 years. Anything else?

A free go at your mum by all accounts goats

[Billy Goat Sverige]

A free go at your mum by all accounts goats

Someone has to share the workload with yours.

[Sir C]

How much free stuff then? I’m seeing free broadband, free bus travel for under 25’s, 30 hours free day care for all 2-4 year olds, free university for 6 years. Anything else?

Free vets, apparently. Are they going to nationalise the vets?

[Billy Goat Sverige]

Free vets, apparently. Are they going to nationalise the vets?
Free school dinners too for Primary school kids. Free dental check-ups as well. They don’t even offer the latter here. You’ll be more socialist than Sweden!

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Cabbage? My bourgeois ass doesn’t deserve the luxury of cabbage!

A thin skilley will do me nicely thank you comrade. While you’re there, I’d like to denounce my parents and my as yet unborn children as enemies of the people. Thank you.

You have seen the light, C. Of course one can never be right if against the Party. The Party is all. You new-found admission of counter-revolutionary activities will be taken into consideration. And then we'll shoot you.

[barrybueno]

Free school dinners too for Primary school kids. Free dental check-ups as well. They don’t even offer the latter here. You’ll be more socialist than Sweden!

Fúck that Goats, we may have a lot of problems but we'll never be as backward, retarded, socialist, pathetic, liberal, gutless and shít as Sweden!

[Ash]

Of course, most of them are stupid enough to think they will somehow be immediately enriched within a couple of months of the actual leave date. They neither understand nor give a hoot about nationhood, sovereignty or democracy. They have simply been hoodwinked into blaming the EU for their misery.


In fact, according to the Ashcroft Poll, the main reason for voting leave was so that "Laws affecting the UK should be made in the UK". That suggests a fairly firm grasp on sovereignty to me.

Also people have indicated that they would be prepared to take a financial hit in the short term as a price to pay for independence.

[barrybueno]

In fact, according to the Ashcroft Poll, the main reason for voting leave was so that "Laws affecting the UK should be made in the UK". That suggests a fairly firm grasp on sovereignty to me.

Also people have indicated that they would be prepared to take a financial hit in the short term as a price to pay for independence.

Ah the Ashcroft poll, my personal fave is "C'mon People (We're Making It Now)" with a nod to "Surprised by the Joy"

What say you Ash :sherlock:

[WES]

In fact, according to the Ashcroft Poll, the main reason for voting leave was so that "Laws affecting the UK should be made in the UK". That suggests a fairly firm grasp on sovereignty to me.

Also people have indicated that they would be prepared to take a financial hit in the short term as a price to pay for independence.

Does that grasp extend to recognising that the ECJ only has certain jurisdictions (as an example they have virtually no impact on laws related to crime) and therefore only some of our laws are impacted by the EU? Do they also recognise that if you looked at the EU laws which do impact us you would probably find that the overwhelming majority are laws that we would have passed anyway?

Or do they reduce a relatively complex debate down to a simple soundbite like 'we want control of our laws' that morons like Farage continually peddle?

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

In fact, according to the Ashcroft Poll, the main reason for voting leave was so that "Laws affecting the UK should be made in the UK".

Is that what they said...really? Stupid little çunts they are.

[Ash]

Does that grasp extend to recognising that the ECJ only has certain jurisdictions (as an example they have virtually no impact on laws related to crime) and therefore only some of our laws are impacted by the EU? Do they also recognise that if you looked at the EU laws which do impact us you would probably find that the overwhelming majority are laws that we would have passed anyway?

Or do they reduce a relatively complex debate down to a simple soundbite like 'we want control of our laws' that morons like Farage continually peddle?

All of politics is eventually reduced to a soundbite, WES. As we speak, we can feel the hand of history on our shoulders.

Arguably only a moron would have dreamed up the GDPR and rammed it down the throats of not only every business in the EU, but every business on the world that wants to trade with the EU. They call it 'harmonisation'. I call it 'Empire'.

[Ash]

Is that what they said...really? Stupid little çunts they are.

No, what they actually said was "That Mendacious Herbaceous fellow really is bit of a snobby spastic at the end of the day, isn't he?".

[Ash]

Ah the Ashcroft poll, my personal fave is "C'mon People (We're Making It Now)" with a nod to "Surprised by the Joy"

What say you Ash :sherlock:

I supported Verve in Oxford when they were just an NME band. Arrogant swine they were even then. Wouldn't let us share the dressing room, and we had to drink our rider in the corridor.

[WES]

All of politics is eventually reduced to a soundbite, WES. As we speak, we can feel the hand of history on our shoulders.

Arguably only a moron would have dreamed up the GDPR and rammed it down the throats of not only every business in the EU, but every business on the world that wants to trade with the EU. They call it 'harmonisation'. I call it 'Empire'.

Nicely sidestepped, Ash :-)

But the point remains - and there may be no way around it - that the public took a decision which was significantly impacted by superficial soundbites that are filled with inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

I find this offensive. :nod:

[barrybueno]

I supported Verve in Oxford when they were just an NME band. Arrogant swine they were even then. Wouldn't let us share the dressing room, and we had to drink our rider in the corridor.

Sounds like a bittersweet experience there A ;-)

[Ash]

Nicely sidestepped, Ash :-)

But the point remains - and there may be no way around it - that the public took a decision which was significantly impacted by superficial soundbites that are filled with inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

I find this offensive. :nod:

Actually I thought the example of the GDPR was quite apposite. Because it is impossible to comply with (given a strict interpretation) it makes most companies law-breakers, hence is a bad law. The EU demands it of not only its own subjects, but of countries outside the EU too.

Your argument boils down to the same one being batted around for nearly four years now, which is that Leavers are stoopid and should not be allowed to vote. I am sick to death of it and have no wish to go round and round in circles for ever. It could equally be said, should one wish to do so, that many Remainers voted the way they did for reasons just as shallow and simplified as those Leavers are accused of.

[bbrian]

have been no Labour adminstrations in the past 100 years. I don't think you have anything to fear. All I'm hearing from the northern rabble is how they are switching to the Tories to get the Brexit they voted for.

Of course, most of them are stupid enough to think they will somehow be immediately enriched within a couple of months of the actual leave date. They neither understand nor give a hoot about nationhood, sovereignty or democracy. They have simply been hoodwinked into blaming the EU for their misery.

They will only keep the Bullingdon Bullshítter in office for one term during which Labour will jettison Jezza and shift rightwards enough for a landslide.

Check all this with Monty

Here comes communist Herb again....

[WES]

Actually I thought the example of the GDPR was quite apposite. Because it is impossible to comply with (given a strict interpretation) it makes most companies law-breakers, hence is a bad law. The EU demands it of not only its own subjects, but of countries outside the EU too.

Your argument boils down to the same one being batted around for nearly four years now, which is that Leavers are stoopid and should not be allowed to vote. I am sick to death of it and have no wish to go round and round in circles for ever. It could equally be said, should one wish to do so, that many Remainers voted the way they did for reasons just as shallow and simplified as those Leavers are accused of.

Now you're making assumptions that are inaccurate - I am no strong Remainer by any stretch, I'm pretty firmly on the fence, I just want us to get on with it. And my allegation is leveled equally at both sides.

As absurdly pessimistic economic forecasts were to Remain, so Farage and his moronic soundbites were to Leave. I found them both equally offensive.

[Monty92]

Now you're making assumptions that are inaccurate - I am no strong Remainer by any stretch, I'm pretty firmly on the fence, I just want us to get on with it. And my allegation is leveled equally at both sides.

As absurdly pessimistic economic forecasts were to Remain, so Farage and his moronic soundbites were to Leave. I found them both equally offensive.

Farage would argue that May's entire approach to the negotiations - and Parliament agitating to sabotage them - made it impossible to get something close to his favoured version of Brexit. And it's hard to argue that he's entirely wrong.

Can we really say things wouldn't have looked a lot different had a different PM with a larger majority picked up the baton after Cameron?

[WES]

Farage would argue that May's entire approach to the negotiations - and Parliament agitating to sabotage them - made it impossible to get something close to his favoured version of Brexit. And it's hard to argue that he's entirely wrong.

Can we really say things wouldn't have looked a lot different had a different PM with a larger majority picked up the baton after Cameron?

This is the same Farage who campaigned for Leave with the message 'we will leave with a great deal because they need us more than we need them' and who now claims that the only acceptable Brexit is a no deal Brexit?

Forgive me for ignoring the dimwitted, little England moron.

[Ash]

Forgive me for ignoring the dimwitted, little England moron.

Do you know what 'Little Englander' originally means, without looking it up?