One thing you CAN say in favour of those "Land That Time Forgot" Bulgarian Nazis was

[Viva Prat Vegas]

the unobtrusive, orderly manner in which they filed up the steps to leave the stadium

[Monty92]

the unobtrusive, orderly manner in which they filed up the steps to leave the stadium

It is a bit weird how it's entirely socially acceptable (or at least tolerated) to hurl all kind of abuse at footballers, but we're not allowed to be racist to them.

I don't really have a problem with racism inside football stadiums. It's just part of the pantomime :shrug:

[Ash]

the unobtrusive, orderly manner in which they filed up the steps to leave the stadium

I was wondering about that. What happened? Did teacher get up and say "Whoever was making the bad noises go and stand outside the Headmaster's office NOW!"

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

It is a bit weird how it's entirely socially acceptable (or at least tolerated) to hurl all kind of abuse at footballers, but we're not allowed to be racist to them.

I don't really have a problem with racism inside football stadiums. It's just part of the pantomime :shrug:

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[Sir C]

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Erm, if he's particularly offended by anti-semitic chanting at football, do you think he might have chosen a different club to support? I mean, he must have grown up in a permanent state of outrage.

[Monty92]

I was wondering about that. What happened? Did teacher get up and say "Whoever was making the bad noises go and stand outside the Headmaster's office NOW!"

It's pretty common to see fans buggering off at half time when their team's getting battered.

Which seems an apt time to remember that Maputo Gooner left Old Trafford when we were 6-1 down at half time, the w*nker.

[Sir C]

It's pretty common to see fans buggering off at half time when their team's getting battered.

Which seems an apt time to remember that Maputo Gooner left Old Trafford when we were 6-1 down at half time, the w*nker.

Now he was a strange lad. I suppose he's a grown up now.

[Monty92]

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Of course. it's all just sh*thousery and banter.

As a society we all acknowledge that football fans operate under entirely different social rules once they step inside a stadium. I don't see why we should tolerate tens of thousands of fans calling a footballer a **** for having dared to move club or acquire a reputation for cheating, but then clutch our pearls if we call them a black **** :shrug:

[PSRB]

It's pretty common to see fans buggering off at half time when their team's getting battered.

Which seems an apt time to remember that Maputo Gooner left Old Trafford when we were 6-1 down at half time, the w*nker.

I left at 7-2 and heard the 8th as I was crossing the bridge

[IUFG]

I left at 7-2 and heard the 8th as I was crossing the bridge

Dark days, psrb, dark fúcking days...

Wenger out, etc

[Monty92]

Dark days, psrb, dark fúcking days...

Wenger out, etc

One of their goals was offside, to be fair.

[IUFG]

One of their goals was offside, to be fair.

oh, I'd expect absolutely nothing else there, m











standard stuff innit
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[Ash]

Of course. it's all just sh*thousery and banter.

As a society we all acknowledge that football fans operate under entirely different social rules once they step inside a stadium. I don't see why we should tolerate tens of thousands of fans calling a footballer a **** for having dared to move club or acquire a reputation for cheating, but then clutch our pearls if we call them a black **** :shrug:

I was in a pub quiz the other day where we got extra points for our offensive team name: Madeleine McCan't.

There are boundaries of what is acceptable and what isn't. Laughing at the rape and murder of a small girl is apparently ok. Racism not so.

[Monty92]

I was in a pub quiz the other day where we got extra points for our offensive team name: Madeleine McCan't.

There are boundaries of what is acceptable and what isn't. Laughing at the rape and murder of a small girl is apparently ok. Racism not so.

Yes, although whether or not we find humour in that kind of stuff is is heavily nuanced and context-dependent, even within the narrow genre of kiddie rape and murder.

I think the reason Maddie is such a comedy goldmine is because of the whole circus surrounding the case, and the fact that her white middle class parents blatantly killed her, which *is* inherently funny.

There are other cases where small children were brutally murdered that you'd struggle to find any humour in.

You don't hear any jokes about Jamie Bulger, for example.

[Pokster]

I was in a pub quiz the other day where we got extra points for our offensive team name: Madeleine McCan't.

There are boundaries of what is acceptable and what isn't. Laughing at the rape and murder of a small girl is apparently ok. Racism not so.

Well racism affects everyone of that race , laughing about an individual doesn't...that would be my penguin book of racism level

[Viva Prat Vegas]

Madeline McCann is ripe to mine for humour content purely because hers is an unsolved case with no proven evidence as to any crimes attached to her
A bit like Shergar really
To this day he might be living it up on a stud farm somewhere in the Bhamas

[Sir C]

Madeline McCann is ripe to mine for humour content purely because hers is an unsolved case with no proven evidence as to any crimes attached to her
A bit like Shergar really
To this day he might be living it up on a stud farm somewhere in the Bhamas

The dental hygienist gave me a mirror to admire my teeth when he'd finished yesterday. I did a big grin and remarked, "Ah, that's what happened to Shergar" - not a flicker of recognition from the fellow. Mind you, he was about 23 and Indian. But imagine not remembering Shergar.

[IUFG]

The dental hygienist gave me a mirror to admire my teeth when he'd finished yesterday. I did a big grin and remarked, "Ah, that's what happened to Shergar" - not a flicker of recognition from the fellow. Mind you, he was about 23 and Indian. But imagine not remembering Shergar.

He absolutely píssed that Derby.

Shergar. Not your unborn dentist.

[Sir C]

He absolutely píssed that Derby.

Shergar. Not your unborn dentist.

It was odd, actually. I was tempted to ask him his story. His accent suggested that he is Indian, not Anglo-Indian. How does a young man from India end up washing teeth in a London suburb?

Not Shergar. The dentist bloke.

[Ash]

Well racism affects everyone of that race , laughing about an individual doesn't...that would be my penguin book of racism level

Yes, of course it is far worse.

I hadn't realised that they were actual neo-nazis, of the sort that our government supports in Ukraine.

[Sir C]

Yes, of course it is far worse.

I hadn't realised that they were actual neo-nazis, of the sort that our government supports in Ukraine.

I don't understand why everyone seems so revolted by 'neo-Nazis', whilst Socialists can merrily wave red flags and sing the Internazionale without anyone mentioning the pesky detail of 100 million victims. :shrug:

[IUFG]

I don't understand why everyone seems so revolted by 'neo-Nazis', whilst Socialists can merrily wave red flags and sing the Internazionale without anyone mentioning the pesky detail of 100 million victims. :shrug:

Normal rules don't apply to the left, sc. See antifa

[Sir C]

Normal rules don't apply to the left, sc. See antifa

It's the hypocrisy that I find unbelievable. Everyone wets their knickers because some random Bulgarians made a Nazi salute - meanwhile, Comrade McDonnell is an actual self-confessed Marxist... and daft ****s are prepared to vote for him.

It's bizarre.

[Ash]

I don't understand why everyone seems so revolted by 'neo-Nazis', whilst Socialists can merrily wave red flags and sing the Internazionale without anyone mentioning the pesky detail of 100 million victims. :shrug:

This is what's known in some quarters as 'Whataboutery', I gather.

Besides, there have been left-wing governments who have not been run by Stalin, and not behaved remotely like him, however much they are demonised, and however much the oligarchs are furious that the wealth they nicked from the poor is redistributed to the poor.

[7sisters]

Indeed. How does a multi cultural society move on to the next level when it’s only ok to abuse gingers :shrug:

[Ash]

It's the hypocrisy that I find unbelievable. Everyone wets their knickers because some random Bulgarians made a Nazi salute - meanwhile, Comrade McDonnell is an actual self-confessed Marxist... and daft ****s are prepared to vote for him.

It's bizarre.

Marx isn't Stalin. Or even Lenin.

Making moral equivalence between Historical Materialism and Nazism is a substantial error imo.

[Sir C]

This is what's known in some quarters as 'Whataboutery', I gather.

Besides, there have been left-wing governments who have not been run by Stalin, and not behaved remotely like him, however much they are demonised, and however much the oligarchs are furious that the wealth they nicked from the poor is redistributed to the poor.

That's right, those magnificent shining examples of the gentle loving nature of socialists, Mao, Pol Pot, Uncle Ho, dear Nicolae in Romania, cuddly Enver who made Albania such a paradise of redistributed wealth - and let's not forget our old chum Castro, who cleverly reduced and entire population to penury and locked them in so they had to try to escape on home-made rafts.

Were all these the wrong type of socialism?

[Sir C]

Marx isn't Stalin. Or even Lenin.

Making moral equivalence between Historical Materialism and Nazism is a substantial error imo.

I'm not sure that made much difference to the millions tortured and murdered by the twisted politics of envy, or even the millions living in misery in eastern Europe between 1945 and 1989.

But hey, it'll be better next time when it's proper socialism, eh?

I saw it. I saw it in the flesh. It makes me angry.

[IUFG]

But hey, it'll be better next time when it's proper socialism, eh?


Nothing went wrong under the Blair government, did it? :shrug:

[WES]

Nothing went wrong under the Blair government, did it? :shrug:

I’d love Jorge to be here to reply to the implication that Blair and his mates were socialists. :hehe:

Or were you taking the piss? :rubchin:

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I don't understand why everyone seems so revolted by 'neo-Nazis', whilst Socialists can merrily wave red flags and sing the Internazionale without anyone mentioning the pesky detail of 100 million victims. :shrug:

C, you're one of the few right-wingers here who've actually got a brain.

But if I really have to spell it out:

There has only been one soi disant Nazi regime in history. And pretty much everyone agrees that they weren't the most civilised of chaps.

Socialism is a much broader church. {Now let's ignore that most of the really bad lefties called themselves commies, not socialists, in the same way nazis are a sub-set of fascists who are a sub-set of right-wingers.}

Many of the left-of-centre parties in the EU claim to be socialists, but are basically centrists compared to Stalin.

The 1945-51 govt here claimed to be socialists. And:
1. The country they built was accepted and protected by those evil lefties that came after them; WSC, Eden and SuperMac.
2. They were brought down by the left of their own (democratically elected) party. Bevan over prescription charges.

The '64-70 likewise.
1. None of Heath, Maggie et al undid divorce, abortion or rights for poofs.
2. Again, that democratically-elected, soi disant socialist govt - whose progressive policies were accepted by the the following Tory govts - were undone by the hard left. The Unions rejected Barbara Castle's "In Place Of Strife" union reforms.

If you can't see the difference between Adolf and Atlee/Wilson, you haven't really thought this through.

Some "socialists" have killed more one their own than the Nazis.
Some "socialists" were democratically elected and introduced rights we now all, proper Tories included, accept.
All Nazi regimes (i.e. the only one) were a little beyond the pale.

Just cos I like footy, doesn't mean I agree with Harry Kane's right to live, does it?

Despite hating Tories, I think One Nation Conservatism has been a positive force in the history of our isles.

While the hard right of the Tory party are inherently evil and should all be gassed.

The left - "Socialism" in your terms - is but a mirror image.

[IUFG]

I’d love Jorge to be here to reply to the implication that Blair and his mates were socialists. :hehe:

Or were you taking the piss? :rubchin:

Me? taking the píss?

[IUFG]

C, you're one of the few right-wingers here who've actually got a brain.

But if I really have to spell it out:

There has only been one soi disant Nazi regime in history. And pretty much everyone agrees that they weren't the most civilised of chaps.

Socialism is a much broader church. {Now let's ignore that most of the really bad lefties called themselves commies, not socialists, in the same way nazis are a sub-set of fascists who are a sub-set of right-wingers.}

Many of the left-of-centre parties in the EU claim to be socialists, but are basically centrists compared to Stalin.

The 1945-51 govt here claimed to be socialists. And:
1. The country they built was accepted and protected by those evil lefties that came after them; WSC, Eden and SuperMac.
2. They were brought down by the left of their own (democratically elected) party. Bevan over prescription charges.

The '64-70 likewise.
1. None of Heath, Maggie et al undid divorce, abortion or rights for poofs.
2. Again, that democratically-elected, soi disant socialist govt - whose progressive policies were accepted by the the following Tory govts - were undone by the hard left. The Unions rejected Barbara Castle's "In Place Of Strife" union reforms.

If you can't see the difference between Adolf and Atlee/Wilson, you haven't really thought this through.

Some "socialists" have killed more one their own than the Nazis.
Some "socialists" were democratically elected and introduced rights we now all, proper Tories included, accept.
All Nazi regimes (i.e. the only one) were a little beyond the pale.

Just cos I like footy, doesn't mean I agree with Harry Kane's right to live, does it?

Despite hating Tories, I think One Nation Conservatism has been a positive force in the history of our isles.

While the hard right of the Tory party are inherently evil and should all be gassed.

The left - "Socialism" in your terms - is but a mirror image.

tl:dr?

Moderates of both the left and right are ok.
Anything further out from the centre than the above need euthanising.

[Arsenal Alcoholic Review]

It is a bit weird how it's entirely socially acceptable (or at least tolerated) to hurl all kind of abuse at footballers, but we're not allowed to be racist to them.

I don't really have a problem with racism inside football stadiums. It's just part of the pantomime :shrug:

I remember a chap you used to sit by me and when we played Chelsea he just kept shouting at Ashley Cole "who's your Father, who's your Father!" everytime he was taking a throw. You could see that it was effecting the ******* which was good for the Arsenal.

[Arsenal Alcoholic Review]

I don't understand why everyone seems so revolted by 'neo-Nazis', whilst Socialists can merrily wave red flags and sing the Internazionale without anyone mentioning the pesky detail of 100 million victims. :shrug:

Because Old Blighty legitimised the Bolshevik slaughter by allying up with the beast.

[Luis Anaconda]

Marx isn't Stalin. Or even Lenin.

Making moral equivalence between Historical Materialism and Nazism is a substantial error imo.

Exactly - Marx was much funnier