Now I'm no expert, obviously,

[Sir C]

buit isn't 241-8 a 'better' score than 241 all out?

[PSRB]

buit isn't 241-8 a 'better' score than 241 all out?

20 years ago, yes.

Essentially, now you have 10 wickets to get as many runs as you can, so you may as well use all of them :-)

[Burney]

buit isn't 241-8 a 'better' score than 241 all out?

No. In absolute terms they're the same score. A few years ago it would have been considered 'better' in the sense that winning was decided on wickets lost, but now they've gone for an equally arbitrary means of deciding between tied teams.
The logic is that wickets lost unfairly penalises the chasing side because they will sometimes have to sacrifice wickets in order to achieve the total (as England did yesterday), while the side batting first won't generally do this. It's therefore considered better to use a measure that favours neither side and which encourages positive cricket.

Ultimately, any measure you use is silly and arbitrary, but you have to have something. :shrug: After all, you could equally argue that NZ should have lost the Super Over on the basis that they lost a wicket and England didn't.

[Sir C]

No. In absolute terms they're the same score. A few years ago it would have been considered 'better' in the sense that winning was decided on wickets lost, but now they've gone for an equally arbitrary means of deciding between tied teams.
The logic is that wickets lost unfairly penalises the chasing side because they will sometimes have to sacrifice wickets in order to achieve the total (as England did yesterday), while the side batting first won't generally do this. It's therefore considered better to use a measure that favours neither side and which encourages positive cricket.

Ultimately, any measure you use is silly and arbitrary, but you have to have something. :shrug: After all, you could equally argue that NZ should have lost the Super Over on the basis that they lost a wicket and England didn't.

I see, yes, hmm.

I have discovered a Great Undiscovered Nocel, by the way. Well, undiscovered by me, if not the millions of others who have read it since publication in 2004. I just don't understand why one doesn't here is spoken of as one of the great modern novels. It's simply wonderful... perhaps you're familiar with it and it has somehow just passed me by, but if not...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0349139490?_encoding=UTF8&isInIframe=0&n=266239&ref_=dp_proddesc_0&s=books&showDetailProductDesc=1#iframe-wrapper

[Burney]

I see, yes, hmm.

I have discovered a Great Undiscovered Nocel, by the way. Well, undiscovered by me, if not the millions of others who have read it since publication in 2004. I just don't understand why one doesn't here is spoken of as one of the great modern novels. It's simply wonderful... perhaps you're familiar with it and it has somehow just passed me by, but if not...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0349139490?_encoding=UTF8&isInIframe=0&n=266239&ref_=dp_proddesc_0&s=books&showDetailProductDesc=1#iframe-wrapper

Hmmm. Sounds interesting, but it appears to have been written by a girl :-(

[Luis Anaconda]

buit isn't 241-8 a 'better' score than 241 all out?

We won get over it. Genuinely can't stop smiling this morning. People think I am ill

[Sir C]

Hmmm. Sounds interesting, but it appears to have been written by a girl :-(

That's the thing. You'd never know. it's got all the proper words and that.

And I have another winner for you. I'm on a roll at the moment. (it's v digging this stuff out of course.) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sisters-Brothers-Patrick-deWitt/dp/1847083196/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=sisters+brothers&qid=1563180211&s=gateway&sr=8-1

[Sir C]

We won get over it. Genuinely can't stop smiling this morning. People think I am ill

I'm pleased for you la, honestly I am!

[Burney]

We won get over it. Genuinely can't stop smiling this morning. People think I am ill

It was absolutely ridiculous. The funny thing was, if we hadn't got over the line, I'd have been cursing Buttler and Stokes for not pushing the scoring along a bit earlier. I did feel they left us with too much to do - Stokes in particular was remiss, I felt. He made up for it with getting his bat in the way of that throw, though. :hehe:

I can't help but feel bad for NZ, though. They have every right to feel aggrieved. They've been remarkably gracious considering.

[Luis Anaconda]

It was absolutely ridiculous. The funny thing was, if we hadn't got over the line, I'd have been cursing Buttler and Stokes for not pushing the scoring along a bit earlier. I did feel they left us with too much to do - Stokes in particular was remiss, I felt. He made up for it with getting his bat in the way of that throw, though. :hehe:

I can't help but feel bad for NZ, though. They have every right to feel aggrieved. They've been remarkably gracious considering.

New Zealand cricketers are genuinely wonderful people - all the absolute ****s play rugby and while I agree they were very hard done they can go **** themselves until at least one Kiwi shows any sort of remorse for the assault on Brian O'Driscoll in the 2004 Lions series

[PSRB]

It was absolutely ridiculous. The funny thing was, if we hadn't got over the line, I'd have been cursing Buttler and Stokes for not pushing the scoring along a bit earlier. I did feel they left us with too much to do - Stokes in particular was remiss, I felt. He made up for it with getting his bat in the way of that throw, though. :hehe:

I can't help but feel bad for NZ, though. They have every right to feel aggrieved. They've been remarkably gracious considering.

Scott Styris, not so much

[Burney]

New Zealand cricketers are genuinely wonderful people - all the absolute ****s play rugby and while I agree they were very hard done they can go **** themselves until at least one Kiwi shows any sort of remorse for the assault on Brian O'Driscoll in the 2004 Lions series

Agreed about Kiwi cricketers. Lovely chaps to play with. Certainly when compared to Aussies and Saffers, who are horrible fúckers.

I do remember that spear tackle on O'Driscoll - and it was an outrage - but I can't say it plays on my mind much. Even more of a disgrace was the ref for not sending both players involved off and the failure to cite them.

[Burney]

Scott Styris, not so much

Yes, I heard that. I was listening to the replay of the radio commentary on the way in this morning and Jeremy Coney was having a bit of a whinge as well.

[Ash]

buit isn't 241-8 a 'better' score than 241 all out?

Did you do your oop norf trip yet?

btw, you may have seen a photo of cricket-by-the-quaggy which I insisted someone include in their journal. ;-)

[Luis Anaconda]

Agreed about Kiwi cricketers. Lovely chaps to play with. Certainly when compared to Aussies and Saffers, who are horrible fúckers.

I do remember that spear tackle on O'Driscoll - and it was an outrage - but I can't say it plays on my mind much. Even more of a disgrace was the ref for not sending both players involved off and the failure to cite them.
Never forget never forgive :)

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

I see, yes, hmm.

I have discovered a Great Undiscovered Nocel ............

Watchman now has me in its dark pitiless grip and will not let me go. A tour de force no doubt but I have read things I cannot unread and I am now compelled to finish it knowing I will only encounter yet more Dante-esque horrors :-(

The privations of a Dickens are made to seem pleasant by comparison. It's back to Wodehouse for me after after this.

[Sir C]

Did you do your oop norf trip yet?

btw, you may have seen a photo of cricket-by-the-quaggy which I insisted someone include in their journal. ;-)

Got back on Saturday. Wonderful, wonderful place. oncentrated on the local fells to Dunnerdale so not much Wainwright bagging but such landscapes and the total lack of people... have booked to go back in September.

I managed to get lost trying to get up Cold Pike in a cloud and ended up doing Grat Knott instead :hehe: #navigation

Cricket-by-the-quaggy? Journal? You're going to have to give me a little more here, a...

[Sir C]

Did you do your oop norf trip yet?

btw, you may have seen a photo of cricket-by-the-quaggy which I insisted someone include in their journal. ;-)

Just checked Facebook. I knew nothing of this Quaggy!

Yopu should have popped in for tea.

[Ash]

Got back on Saturday. Wonderful, wonderful place. oncentrated on the local fells to Dunnerdale so not much Wainwright bagging but such landscapes and the total lack of people... have booked to go back in September.

I managed to get lost trying to get up Cold Pike in a cloud and ended up doing Grat Knott instead :hehe: #navigation

Cricket-by-the-quaggy? Journal? You're going to have to give me a little more here, a...

Weather ok I hope, to enjoy all the bucolic stuff, aside from the pesky mist. As long as you get down safely is all that mattress. And in the right valley.

We saw some Old Elthamians playing cricket on Saturday, while on the Green Chain, by the mighty River Quaggy (more of a dirty trickle at the moment tbf). A photo was included in N’s FB post in case you noticed your old stomping grounds.

[Sir C]

Weather ok I hope, to enjoy all the bucolic stuff, aside from the pesky mist. As long as you get down safely is all that mattress. And in the right valley.

We saw some Old Elthamians playing cricket on Saturday, while on the Green Chain, by the mighty River Quaggy (more of a dirty trickle at the moment tbf). A photo was included in N’s FB post in case you noticed your old stomping grounds.

Weathjer was generally lovely. We lost two mornings to drizzle and had some pesky clouds one afternoon as mentioned, but generally it was sunny and 16 degrees - just cool enough for going uphill.

That's a relatively new venue for OE sports, oddly. Being so close to the school you'd imagine they've been there for donkey's years, but back in my day the OEs played at Foxbury, between Sidcup and Chislehurst.