So Jeremy Hunt has decided a good way to convince the Tory membership

[Monty92]

that they should vote for him over Boris would be to call Brexit voters “Little Englanders” :clap: :clap:

[Burney]

that they should vote for him over Boris would be to call Brexit voters” Little Englanders” :clap: :clap:

Utterly fúcking bizarre, isn't it? I'm really struggling to discern what the fúck is going on in the heads of his team. I can think of few pitches less likely to appeal to the membership than 'I am a committed Remainer who is effectively Theresa May in trousers and I solemnly promise to kick the Brexit can down the road indefinitely until such time as I reckon we can get away with dumping the whole idea.'

[Pokster]

Utterly fúcking bizarre, isn't it? I'm really struggling to discern what the fúck is going on in the heads of his team. I can think of few pitches less likely to appeal to the membership than 'I am a committed Remainer who is effectively Theresa May in trousers and I solemnly promise to kick the Brexit can down the road indefinitely until such time as I reckon we can get away with dumping the whole idea.'

If that is what he believes in then so be it :shrug:, unless you want him to lie and then change his mind when in power? Heaven fobid a politician telling the truth.

I suppose he could just refuse to answer all questions and come across as a complete and utter idiotic ****.

This country is fúcked

[Burney]

If that is what he believes in then so be it :shrug:, unless you want him to lie and then change his mind when in power? Heaven fobid a politician telling the truth.

I suppose he could just refuse to answer all questions and come across as a complete and utter idiotic ****.

This country is fúcked

He may believe whatever the fúck he likes. However, if those beliefs are completely at odds with the wishes of an electorate to which he is supposedly attempting to appeal and will ensure he isn't elected, uttering them makes him pretty much an idiotic **** himself, doesn't it?

A classic case of 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt', I'd say.

[Pokster]

He may believe whatever the fúck he likes. However, if those beliefs are completely at odds with the wishes of an electorate to which he is supposedly attempting to appeal and will ensure he isn't elected, uttering them makes him pretty much an idiotic **** himself, doesn't it?

A classic case of 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt', I'd say.

It's hardly his fault if he believes remain is the better position than a no deal brexit. I'd rather he tells it like it is than say nothing and then show his true colours after the election.

Tory Mp's chose a remainer and a hard line Brexiteer as their final 2, i would suggest that is a better option as it gives members a clear distinction if they are going to choose their leader on Brexit. if they chose their leader on other policies then we are in for a **** storm of the highest order as Boris does he wants for himself and not for the general good of the UK imho

[Burney]

It's hardly his fault if he believes remain is the better position than a no deal brexit. I'd rather he tells it like it is than say nothing and then show his true colours after the election.

Tory Mp's chose a remainer and a hard line Brexiteer as their final 2, i would suggest that is a better option as it gives members a clear distinction if they are going to choose their leader on Brexit. if they chose their leader on other policies then we are in for a **** storm of the highest order as Boris does he wants for himself and not for the general good of the UK imho

It's absolutely his fault if he believes that. It's also absolutely his fault if he believes that and then decides to try and lead a party the majority of whose members absolutely do not believe that. It would be akin to me attempting to win the leadership of the Labour Party with a policy platform of lower taxes, lower public spending, law and order and Hard Brexit - in other words, it's fúcking hopeless, pointless and stupid.

Frankly, I wish I had as much faith as you Remainers appear to have in Boris doing the right thing.

[Monty92]

It's absolutely his fault if he believes that. It's also absolutely his fault if he believes that and then decides to try and lead a party the majority of whose members absolutely do not believe that. It would be akin to me attempting to win the leadership of the Labour Party with a policy platform of lower taxes, lower public spending, law and order and Hard Brexit - in other words, it's fúcking hopeless, pointless and stupid.

Let's also remember that it's very likely that MPs coordinated their votes in the last round of voting to deliberately pit Hunt (rather than Gove) against Boris in the final, knowing that it would assure Boris a walkover victory. So Hunt's presence in the final two is in no way a validation of his remainer inclinations.

[Burney]

Let's also remember that it's very likely that MPs coordinated their votes in the last round of voting to deliberately pit Hunt (rather than Gove) against Boris in the final, knowing that it would assure Boris a walkover victory. So Hunt's presence in the final two is in no way a validation of his remainer inclinations.

No, but I would argue that the presence of Stewart, Hancock and Hunt in the race is symptomatic of the vast gulf that exists between sections of the Parliamentary Tory party and the overwhelming majority of its members and voters. That's going to need sorting out sharpish.

[Monty92]

Well it would only have taken a handful of Boris-supporting MPs to give Hunt their vote to fix the final.

But yes, agree with the general point.

[Pokster]

It's absolutely his fault if he believes that. It's also absolutely his fault if he believes that and then decides to try and lead a party the majority of whose members absolutely do not believe that. It would be akin to me attempting to win the leadership of the Labour Party with a policy platform of lower taxes, lower public spending, law and order and Hard Brexit - in other words, it's fúcking hopeless, pointless and stupid.

Frankly, I wish I had as much faith as you Remainers appear to have in Boris doing the right thing.

So he shouldn't have views that don't agree with the voting members? If they disagree with him the Boris will win easily......

I'd rather he stuck to his beliefs and lost than lie through his teeth, win and then change his mind.

As I said, if it is on brexit Boris will win, if it is on other policies then it is anyones guess as Boris is a law to himslef and is likely to change his mind to suit his own agenda

[Burney]

So he shouldn't have views that don't agree with the voting members? If they disagree with him the Boris will win easily......

I'd rather he stuck to his beliefs and lost than lie through his teeth, win and then change his mind.

As I said, if it is on brexit Boris will win, if it is on other policies then it is anyones guess as Boris is a law to himslef and is likely to change his mind to suit his own agenda

His views are up to him, but he has no business trying to lead the party while espousing them. To do so is pointless at best and deliberately divisive and destructive to party cohesion at worst.

[Ash]

Though the 'Battle of the Jeremys' at the next GE would have an interesting ring to it.

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[Pokster]

His views are up to him, but he has no business trying to lead the party while espousing them. To do so is pointless at best and deliberately divisive and destructive to party cohesion at worst.

He has every right to lead the party if they want him! It isn't only Brexit, Boris seems to have 1 policy and that is Brexit, everything else he says is waffle with no substance, good luck to him if he gets in, and good luck to the country if he is PM

[Ash]

He has every right to lead the party if they want him! It isn't only Brexit, Boris seems to have 1 policy and that is Brexit, everything else he says is waffle with no substance, good luck to him if he gets in, and good luck to the country if he is PM

Wasn't Boris a lifelong EUro-phile who turned his cloak at the referendum as a career move?

Actually that would be nicely symmetrical with the life-long euro-sceptic leading the other party who turned his cloak at the referendum as a career move.

[Monty92]

Wasn't Boris a lifelong EUro-phile who turned his cloak at the referendum as a career move?

Actually that would be nicely symmetrical with the life-long euro-sceptic leading the other party who turned his cloak at the referendum as a career move.

Hardly a Europhile. Boris used to be notorious for his EU-bashing columns in his days as The Telegraph's Brussels correspondent.

[Burney]

Wasn't Boris a lifelong EUro-phile who turned his cloak at the referendum as a career move?

Actually that would be nicely symmetrical with the life-long euro-sceptic leading the other party who turned his cloak at the referendum as a career move.

No. Boris pretty much made his name at the Telegraph reporting about the iniquities of the EU from Brussels, in fact.

Oh, I see I've :noah: d

[Burney]

He has every right to lead the party if they want him! It isn't only Brexit, Boris seems to have 1 policy and that is Brexit, everything else he says is waffle with no substance, good luck to him if he gets in, and good luck to the country if he is PM

This is the mistake people keep making. Right now, it is only Brexit.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

that they should vote for him over Boris would be to call Brexit voters “Little Englanders” :clap: :clap:

Do you actually know what the term "Little Englander" actually means?

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

It's absolutely his fault if he believes that. It's also absolutely his fault if he believes that and then decides to try and lead a party the majority of whose members absolutely do not believe that. It would be akin to me attempting to win the leadership of the Labour Party with a policy platform of lower taxes, lower public spending, law and order and Hard Brexit - in other words, it's fúcking hopeless, pointless and stupid.

Frankly, I wish I had as much faith as you Remainers appear to have in Boris doing the right thing.

I'd vote for you if you promised all Corbynistas would be sent to a Gulag. We could get rid of you once you'd done that, and you'd become a hero of the moderate wing. A John Smith, pbuh, if you like.

[Burney]

Do you actually know what the term "Little Englander" actually means?

Originally, it meant dirty Liberal anti-imperialists.

[Burney]

I'd vote for you if you promised all Corbynistas would be sent to a Gulag. We could get rid of you once you'd done that, and you'd become a hero of the moderate wing. A John Smith, pbuh, if you like.

This is exactly what Boris is for: Get us out of the EU and nobody really gives a fúck what he does after that.

[Luis Anaconda]

Though the 'Battle of the Jeremys' at the next GE would have an interesting ring to it.

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:clap: potd, a

[IUFG]

:clap: potd, a

indeed. With an unspoken Emery reference too.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Originally, it meant dirty Liberal anti-imperialists.

I'm surprised you didn't agree with then, B. {Have you read Gentlemanly Capitalism by Cain and Hopkins?)

Basically, once we'd repealed the corn laws, and introduced free trade, we had a massive advantage which meant that the dominance of the City backed up by the RN meant we effectively had an informal, free trade empire, eg Argentina, which made us loads more cash than the mercantilist formal bits like India, so they thought why bother paying to civilise the natives?

Thought that that would have been up your street. Don't tell me you're a pro-Corn Law imperialist (in 1840s terms?)

[Burney]

I'm surprised you didn't agree with then, B. {Have you read Gentlemanly Capitalism by Cain and Hopkins?)

Basically, once we'd repealed the corn laws, and introduced free trade, we had a massive advantage which meant that the dominance of the City backed up by the RN meant we effectively had an informal, free trade empire, eg Argentina, which made us loads more cash than the mercantilist formal bits like India, so they thought why bother paying to civilise the natives?

Thought that that would have been up your street. Don't tell me you're a pro-Corn Law imperialist (in 1840s terms?)

No, but where would the world be if it weren't for us being on the ground telling savages how to behave, eh? It's not just about money! There's the white man's burden to consider, for God's sake!

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

No, but where would the world be if it weren't for us being on the ground telling savages how to behave, eh? It's not just about money! There's the white man's burden to consider, for God's sake!

I love Kipling but hate The White Man's Burden.

Not because I'm stupid enough to ignore the good parts of white imperialism amongst the rape and pillage but because he was asking the Septics to join in. Fück that.

They shouldn't have been allowed the 13 shîtholes they started with, let alone anywhere else.

Can you really imagine Gunga Din being officered by Septics? Or more to the point, some Septic "doughboy" saying "You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din?"

No, Johnny Septic would have turned the first holy cow he saw into a hamburger and the resulting kick-off would have made the Mutiny look like the Dalai Lama playing Glasto.

{You should read Gent Cap by C+H. I can send you a download or pdf/read to my private online library of academic texts if you want. It's the seminal work on the economics of the British empire. If a druggie, lefty crusty is telling you to read an article about how public schoolboys in the city made the modern world, you really should:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppch9lp2yy49o5d/2596293.pdf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ib3uevyas3qdryc/2596481.pdf?dl=1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ib3uevyas3qdryc/2596481.pdf?dl=0)

Check I've got the order right. 25 pages each half. But the most important work in half a century.