Any c*nt that tells me I "would have taken that before the game"

[Monty92]

can go suck a fat one.

This is unmistakably set up for 2-1 Spurs in the away leg and then what? We just carry on as normal?

You lot make me laugh.

[Burney]

can go suck a fat one.

This is unmistakably set up for 2-1 Spurs in the away leg and then what? We just carry on as normal?

You lot make me laugh.

You’re the one who keeps slobbering over Emery’s cöck, mate.

And this is all his fault - you mark my words.

[Maravilloso Marvo]

Any c*nt that tells me I "would have taken that before the game"

I have just been told that exact thing. It was from a Spurs fan though...

[Pat Vegas]

can go suck a fat one.

This is unmistakably set up for 2-1 Spurs in the away leg and then what? We just carry on as normal?

You lot make me laugh.

Do you whack off whilst this is happening? like some sort of Football cuckold situation.

[WES]

can go suck a fat one.

This is unmistakably set up for 2-1 Spurs in the away leg and then what? We just carry on as normal?

You lot make me laugh.

Yes, I'm pretty certain Spurs will go through, probably 2-1 as you describe. This CL is either a joy or a travesty depending on who you support. The Munichs going through against PSG was probably the greatest travesty since the Mike Riley raping in 2004* and if that can happen, anything can.

So Liverpool Spurs in the CL final then. We should steel ourselves for that, I'm afraid. Two teams with very impressive managers, either of which could be managing Arsenal right now if not for the Wenger sycophants. It is they who are to blame for this.

* you go IUFG, you go girl

[Maravilloso Marvo]

Two teams with very impressive managers, either of which could be managing Arsenal right now if not for the Wenger sycophants.

If you allow yourself to believe the narrative driven press then yes, they are two great managers presiding over two of the greatest teams the world has ever seen. Alternatively you could look at what those two managers have won, how many times they have fallen short and ask yourself how greatly they would be lauded if they had done this at Arsenal?

[Burney]

Two teams with very impressive managers, either of which could be managing Arsenal right now if not for the Wenger sycophants. It is they who are to blame for this.

:hehe: I like the way the narrative is shifting here. It's gone from 'Emery is great and shows us what could have been if we'd got rid of Wenger earlier', then 'Emery is hamstrung by all the Wenger signings' and now it's 'Yes, Emery is in fact shít, but we're only stuck with him because we couldn't get anyone better because we hung on to Wenger'.

[IUFG]

Yes, I'm pretty certain Spurs will go through, probably 2-1 as you describe. This CL is either a joy or a travesty depending on who you support. The Munichs going through against PSG was probably the greatest travesty since the Mike Riley raping in 2004* and if that can happen, anything can.

So Liverpool Spurs in the CL final then. We should steel ourselves for that, I'm afraid. Two teams with very impressive managers, either of which could be managing Arsenal right now if not for the Wenger sycophants. It is they who are to blame for this.

* you go IUFG, you go girl

**************** R!ley Klaxon ****************


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM747L9Wf8M

[Pokster]

can go suck a fat one.

This is unmistakably set up for 2-1 Spurs in the away leg and then what? We just carry on as normal?

You lot make me laugh.

Now we all know you are being a **** because..
a) you are a ****
b) see a)

but what result would you have taken before the game???

[IUFG]

:hehe: I like the way the narrative is shifting here. It's gone from 'Emery is great and shows us what could have been if we'd got rid of Wenger earlier', then 'Emery is hamstrung by all the Wenger signings' and now it's 'Yes, Emery is in fact shít, but we're only stuck with him because we couldn't get anyone better because we hung on to Wenger'.

One coud look at things like this...

Emery is serving up the same as what Wenger was latterly serving up (potentially not getting the top 4 and losing a Europa semi-final). So why change?

Past performance predicts future performance. So, under Wenger, we were always going to get more of the same and probably on a slightly downward trajectory, if you extrapolate league positioning.

If we continue to get the same from Emery over the next 2-3 years, I completely agree he should go and we move onto the next one.

I dare say we'll find out what we already know... it's Stan that is the real problem.

[Monty92]

:hehe: I like the way the narrative is shifting here. It's gone from 'Emery is great and shows us what could have been if we'd got rid of Wenger earlier', then 'Emery is hamstrung by all the Wenger signings' and now it's 'Yes, Emery is in fact shít, but we're only stuck with him because we couldn't get anyone better because we hung on to Wenger'.

There is no reason at all to think that Emery is sh*t.

I mean, apart from the away record thingy, and the fact he once went an entire season in La Liga without winning away.

Also, it'll probably take a bit of time before the players can stomach looking at his face and avoid giggling at his voice - I'm sure they'll come good when he has their undivided attention.

[Burney]

One coud look at things like this...

Emery is serving up the same as what Wenger was latterly serving up (potentially not getting the top 4 and losing a Europa semi-final). So why change?

Past performance predicts future performance. So, under Wenger, we were always going to get more of the same and probably on a slightly downward trajectory, if you extrapolate league positioning.

If we continue to get the same from Emery over the next 2-3 years, I completely agree he should go and we move onto the next one.

I dare say we'll find out what we already know... it's Stan that is the real problem.

Wenger brought us two FA Cups and a second-place finish in his last four seasons. :shrug:

[Pokster]

Wenger brought us two FA Cups and a second-place finish in his last four seasons. :shrug:

So give the new manager 4 years and see what he gives us.

[Burney]

There is no reason at all to think that Emery is sh*t.

I mean, apart from the away record thingy, and the fact he once went an entire season in La Liga without winning away.

Also, it'll probably take a bit of time before the players can stomach looking at his face and avoid giggling at his voice - I'm sure they'll come good when he has their undivided attention.

I'd say a manager who can't win half his games and appears to have lost his dressing room in the space of one season might just possibly be a bit shít, wouldn't you?

[Burney]

So give the new manager 4 years and see what he gives us.

But I thought you brought in new managers to improve things? If the best he can offer is more of the same/worse, what was the point of getting rid of Wenger?

[IUFG]

Wenger brought us two FA Cups and a second-place finish in his last four seasons. :shrug:

Oh, yes, he gaves the FA cups. Very nice too. What did we have to win? 7 or 8 games? An achievement nonetheless.

That 2nd place? Every team in the league was fúck awful that season, including Lester and we were gifted second by that marvellous, over-achieing sp*rs team.

[Monty92]

But I thought you brought in new managers to improve things? If the best he can offer is more of the same/worse, what was the point of getting rid of Wenger?

WES keeps telling us that the thing Emery has given us that Wenger no longer could is "hope" :shrug:

[Pokster]

I'd say a manager who can't win half his games and appears to have lost his dressing room in the space of one season might just possibly be a bit shít, wouldn't you?

I would, shame for you then that he has won 20 out of 36 league games

[Burney]

Oh, yes, he gaves the FA cups. Very nice too. What did we have to win? 7 or 8 games? An achievement nonetheless.

That 2nd place? Every team in the league was fúck awful that season, including Lester and we were gifted second by that marvellous, over-achieing sp*rs team.

And yet that is what we won and where we finished nonetheless. :shrug:

My point is that your narrative of inexorable, season-on-season decline under Wenger simply isn't borne out by the facts. :shrug:

[Pokster]

But I thought you brought in new managers to improve things? If the best he can offer is more of the same/worse, what was the point of getting rid of Wenger?

Because AW was making us gradually worse over the last few seasons, the new manager has every chance of finishing higher, gaining far more points and also the chance of a big shiny cup..... he also has the best record of any Arsenal manager for his first 50 games

[IUFG]

..... he also has the best record of any Arsenal manager for his first 50 games


Well, Wenger would have that record if it wasn't for all the shít players he inherited.

Seaman, Keown, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, Platt, Bergkamp, Wright, Merson, Parlour, Kiwomya, etc :rolleyes:

I think we can safely say, Emery is picking up from a lower point, players-wise, than AW did.

[WES]

:hehe: I like the way the narrative is shifting here. It's gone from 'Emery is great and shows us what could have been if we'd got rid of Wenger earlier', then 'Emery is hamstrung by all the Wenger signings' and now it's 'Yes, Emery is in fact shít, but we're only stuck with him because we couldn't get anyone better because we hung on to Wenger'.

Where did I say Emery is sh1t, exactly? And I think everyone always understood that the overwhelming majority of our players were signed by Wenger and were part of a squad that finished 6th and some 30+ points off first place, that's simply a fact. And no one ever said he was great, they said it was an impressive start but he'll be judged when the season is over (in reply to people like you saying he was sh1t).

Other than that, great post.

[Pokster]

Where did I say Emery is sh1t, exactly? And I think everyone always understood that the overwhelming majority of our players were signed by Wenger and were part of a squad that finished 6th and some 30+ points off first place, that's simply a fact. And no one ever said he was great, they said it was an impressive start but he'll be judged when the season is over (in reply to people like you saying he was sh1t).

Other than that, great post.

I make out you know nothing about football at times, but i believe Berni knows less than even you!

[WES]

And yet that is what we won and where we finished nonetheless. :shrug:

My point is that your narrative of inexorable, season-on-season decline under Wenger simply isn't borne out by the facts. :shrug:

You mean we weren't winning the league during the 90s and early 00s, then challenging for the title in the late 00s, then barely making it into the top 4 followed by a 5th place finish in his second last season and then a 6th place finish in his last season?

Yeah, no sense of decline there. :hehe:

[Burney]

Where did I say Emery is sh1t, exactly? And I think everyone always understood that the overwhelming majority of our players were signed by Wenger and were part of a squad that finished 6th and some 30+ points off first place, that's simply a fact. And no one ever said he was great, they said it was an impressive start but he'll be judged when the season is over (in reply to people like you saying he was sh1t).

Other than that, great post.

You said we could have got 'impressive managers' like Pocchetino or the Ajax bloke, but didn't because we hung on to Wenger.

The clear implication of that is that Emery is not 'impressive' (i.e. ****).

Let's face it, you Wenger haters have backed yourselves into a corner. You have to praise what we have now because it's what you pushed for for years. Sometimes that means defending the indefensible - such as not holding the manager responsible when a team that had a top four finish there for the taking instead capitulated because it can't get a single point from four games against Leicester, Watford, Palace or Everton.
I mean don't get me wrong, it's genuinely funny watching you scurrying around trying to find excuses. But it's funny-sad rather than funny ha-ha. :-(

[Pokster]

You said we could have got 'impressive managers' like Pocchetino or the Ajax bloke, but didn't because we hung on to Wenger.

The clear implication of that is that Emery is not 'impressive' (i.e. ****).

Let's face it, you Wenger haters have backed yourselves into a corner. You have to praise what we have now because it's what you pushed for for years. Sometimes that means defending the indefensible - such as not holding the manager responsible when a team that had a top four finish there for the taking instead capitulated because it can't get a single point from four games against Leicester, Watford, Palace or Everton.
I mean don't get me wrong, it's genuinely funny watching you scurrying around trying to find excuses. But it's funny-sad rather than funny ha-ha. :-(

Still time to edit yet another mistake, we beat Watford.

Stick to fishing or whatever **** sport you might know something about b

[Burney]

You mean we weren't winning the league during the 90s and early 00s, then challenging for the title in the late 00s, then barely making it into the top 4 followed by a 5th place finish in his second last season and then a 6th place finish in his last season?

Yeah, no sense of decline there. :hehe:

Well that would be a valid point if you wilfully ignored the utterly seismic changes to football's funding models in that period and the fact that Arsenal Football Club long resisted the types of takeover that have enormously benefitted rival clubs.

But yeah, that's AW's fault, right?

[WES]

You said we could have got 'impressive managers' like Pocchetino or the Ajax bloke, but didn't because we hung on to Wenger.

The clear implication of that is that Emery is not 'impressive' (i.e. ****).

Let's face it, you Wenger haters have backed yourselves into a corner. You have to praise what we have now because it's what you pushed for for years. Sometimes that means defending the indefensible - such as not holding the manager responsible when a team that had a top four finish there for the taking instead capitulated because it can't get a single point from four games against Leicester, Watford, Palace or Everton.
I mean don't get me wrong, it's genuinely funny watching you scurrying around trying to find excuses. But it's funny-sad rather than funny ha-ha. :-(

So a manager who isn't as impressive as Pochettino or Klopp is therefore sh1t? There is nothing in between?

:clap:

And I was never a Wenger hater. I loved him when he performed at a high level and felt he needed to be replaced when he was no longer performing at the level the club needed. Calling someone who feels that way a 'Wenger hater' is as illogical as calling a manager sh1t because he isn't as impressive as Klopp.

Stick to grammar, Burney.

[Burney]

Still time to edit yet another mistake, we beat Watford.

Stick to fishing or whatever **** sport you might know something about b

Oh, yeah. Sorry, I meant to write Wolves - which is, if anything, rather worse.

Fúcking Wolves. :hehe:

Pathetic.

[Burney]

So a manager who isn't as impressive as Pochettino or Klopp is therefore sh1t? There is nothing in between?

:clap:

And I was never a Wenger hater. I loved him when he performed at a high level and felt he needed to be replaced when he was no longer performing at the level the club needed. Calling someone who feels that way a 'Wenger hater' is as illogical as calling a manager sh1t because he isn't as impressive as Klopp.

Stick to grammar, Burney.

OK, what would you call someone who you have defined as 'not impressive', then? :shrug:

[WES]

Well that would be a valid point if you wilfully ignored the utterly seismic changes to football's funding models in that period and the fact that Arsenal Football Club long resisted the types of takeover that have enormously benefitted rival clubs.

But yeah, that's AW's fault, right?

That would be a valid point if we hadn't been consistently finishing behind clubs with less money than us (Spurs, Liverpool) and Leicester hadn't won the league. The money excuse can only be taken so far when you're finishing 6th and the same distance to relegation as you are to the winners.

[Pokster]

Oh, yeah. Sorry, I meant to write Wolves - which is, if anything, rather worse.

Fúcking Wolves. :hehe:

Pathetic.

Remind me how we did last season when we needed a good run to get in the top 4.... Palace, Leicester,Watford, Newcastle, Brighton... yep, we were so much better last season :rolleyes:

[WES]

OK, what would you call someone who you have defined as 'not impressive', then? :shrug:

Show me where I or anyone else on this thread said that Emery was 'not impressive'. Someone other than you, I mean.

Take a coffee break, Burney, the ole melon seems to be having a blip.

[IUFG]

And yet that is what we won and where we finished nonetheless. :shrug:

My point is that your narrative of inexorable, season-on-season decline under Wenger simply isn't borne out by the facts. :shrug:

https://i.imgur.com/k9TU06p.png

2nd to 5th to 6th.

Looks like a decline to me...

[IUFG]

Well that would be a valid point if you wilfully ignored the utterly seismic changes to football's funding models in that period and the fact that Arsenal Football Club long resisted the types of takeover that have enormously benefitted rival clubs.

But yeah, that's AW's fault, right?

Lester winning the premier league . . . . :sherlock:

[Burney]

That would be a valid point if we hadn't been consistently finishing behind clubs with less money than us (Spurs, Liverpool) and Leicester hadn't won the league. The money excuse can only be taken so far when you're finishing 6th and the same distance to relegation as you are to the winners.

:sigh: But they didn't have 'less' money than us in real terms. In terms of available cash to spend (not to be confused with our cash reserves) pretty much all our rivals had more ready cash than us.

In seven of the ten years between 2007 and 2016, we'd have made a net loss without player sales. We repeatedly had to sell our best players just to stay in the black. So the idea that we had loads of money in that period is facile.

[Burney]

Show me where I or anyone else on this thread said that Emery was 'not impressive'. Someone other than you, I mean.

Take a coffee break, Burney, the ole melon seems to be having a blip.

If I say Object A is 'impressive' and bemoan the fact that I don't own Object A because I hung on too long to Object X, the clear implication is that Object B that I do now have by virtue of hanging on too long to Object X is not 'impressive'.

Something that is not 'impressive' is, by definition 'unimpressive'.

This is not difficult. :shrug:

[Pokster]

:sigh: But they didn't have 'less' money than us in real terms. In terms of available cash to spend (not to be confused with our cash reserves) pretty much all our rivals had more ready cash than us.

In seven of the ten years between 2007 and 2016, we'd have made a net loss without player sales. We repeatedly had to sell our best players just to stay in the black. So the idea that we had loads of money in that period is facile.

How many of our rivals made a profit in that time? So saying we had less cash isn't altogether true, rivals might well have spent more than us and have gone into debt in that time nad have since recouped that money with better commercail deals or selling players at a later stage

[IUFG]

:sigh: But they didn't have 'less' money than us in real terms. In terms of available cash to spend (not to be confused with our cash reserves) pretty much all our rivals had more ready cash than us.

In seven of the ten years between 2007 and 2016, we'd have made a net loss without player sales. We repeatedly had to sell our best players just to stay in the black. So the idea that we had loads of money in that period is facile.

Look, B. I'm not a Wenger hater. AW just needed replacing.

We are a 'big club' with big wage bills, big ticket prices and big expectations amongst the fan base. The latter proably driven by youngsters who grew up on a Wenger era football-diet.

There was a decline (not withstanding the FA cups) in the premier league, the exception being the season when Spurs let us finish 2nd in a race we hadn't even entered. Whichever way you look at it, whether it be points total, points gap to champions, or whatever, we were / are in decline. That decline might actually be relative. i.e some others have simply got 'better'.

But to stand still and do what you have always done and expect something different is the definition of .... etc

The managers, UE and AW are simply different. We gave Wenger time and we should do the same for Emery. I doubt he'll get 10 years of failing to challenge for the league...

[Burney]

Lester winning the premier league . . . . :sherlock:

The same Leicester owned by the multi-billionaire who spent a fúck-load on players, you mean?

[Pokster]

Look, B. I'm not a Wenger hater. AW just needed replacing.

We are a 'big club' with big wage bills, big ticket prices and big expectations amongst the fan base. The latter proably driven by youngsters who grew up on a Wenger era football-diet.

There was a decline (not withstanding the FA cups) in the premier league, the exception being the season when Spurs let us finish 2nd in a race we hadn't even entered. Whichever way you look at it, whether it be points total, points gap to champions, or whatever, we were / are in decline. That decline might actually be relative. i.e some others have simply got 'better'.

But to stand still and do what you have always done and expect something different is the definition of .... etc

The managers, UE and AW are simply different. We gave Wenger time and we should do the same for Emery. I doubt he'll get 10 years of failing to challenge for the league...

I agree with that, hard to judge him after 1 season when the vast majority of the players he might still want to change, give him another couple of seasons and see if there is an upward curve to our form, league position and also transfer policy (which had certainly declined)

[IUFG]

The same Leicester owned by the multi-billionaire who spent a fúck-load on players, you mean?

the multi-billionaire who spent half the amount on players than Arsenal did? :sherlock:

[Burney]

How many of our rivals made a profit in that time? So saying we had less cash isn't altogether true, rivals might well have spent more than us and have gone into debt in that time nad have since recouped that money with better commercail deals or selling players at a later stage

So you think that, in addition to the debt we were already paying off on our stadium, we should have increased our indebtedness when we were qualifying for the CL every year in order to keep the fans happy?

I really hope you don't ever run a business.

Most of our rivals at the time were bankrolled. We lived or died by our P&L sheet.

[Pokster]

So you think that, in addition to the debt we were already paying off on our stadium, we should have increased our indebtedness when we were qualifying for the CL every year in order to keep the fans happy?

I really hope you don't ever run a business.

Most of our rivals at the time were bankrolled. We lived or died by our P&L sheet.

They were bankrolled by their owners, something our owner didn't do through choice....and yet again, please point out where I say we should have gone into more debt, I know you like making things up but please stop showing how big an arse you are on this subject

[redgunamo]

B is merely, desperately, trying to cover up for the fact the he himself was one of the original WOBers. True story.



Look, B. I'm not a Wenger hater. AW just needed replacing.

We are a 'big club' with big wage bills, big ticket prices and big expectations amongst the fan base. The latter proably driven by youngsters who grew up on a Wenger era football-diet.

There was a decline (not withstanding the FA cups) in the premier league, the exception being the season when Spurs let us finish 2nd in a race we hadn't even entered. Whichever way you look at it, whether it be points total, points gap to champions, or whatever, we were / are in decline. That decline might actually be relative. i.e some others have simply got 'better'.

But to stand still and do what you have always done and expect something different is the definition of .... etc

The managers, UE and AW are simply different. We gave Wenger time and we should do the same for Emery. I doubt he'll get 10 years of failing to challenge for the league...

[SWv2]

Look, B. I'm not a Wenger hater. AW just needed replacing.

We are a 'big club' with big wage bills, big ticket prices and big expectations amongst the fan base. The latter proably driven by youngsters who grew up on a Wenger era football-diet.

There was a decline (not withstanding the FA cups) in the premier league, the exception being the season when Spurs let us finish 2nd in a race we hadn't even entered. Whichever way you look at it, whether it be points total, points gap to champions, or whatever, we were / are in decline. That decline might actually be relative. i.e some others have simply got 'better'.

But to stand still and do what you have always done and expect something different is the definition of .... etc

The managers, UE and AW are simply different. We gave Wenger time and we should do the same for Emery. I doubt he'll get 10 years of failing to challenge for the league...


Sense, in world of non sense. Wd HR bender.

Testify.

[Sir C]

Look, B. I'm not a Wenger hater. AW just needed replacing.

We are a 'big club' with big wage bills, big ticket prices and big expectations amongst the fan base. The latter proably driven by youngsters who grew up on a Wenger era football-diet.

There was a decline (not withstanding the FA cups) in the premier league, the exception being the season when Spurs let us finish 2nd in a race we hadn't even entered. Whichever way you look at it, whether it be points total, points gap to champions, or whatever, we were / are in decline. That decline might actually be relative. i.e some others have simply got 'better'.

But to stand still and do what you have always done and expect something different is the definition of .... etc

The managers, UE and AW are simply different. We gave Wenger time and we should do the same for Emery. I doubt he'll get 10 years of failing to challenge for the league...

We gave Wenger time because he had proved what he could do. :shrug:

[Burney]

the multi-billionaire who spent half the amount on players than Arsenal did? :sherlock:

Misleading. That figure only adds up if you base it on cost of squads. He actually spent around £180 million between buying Leicester and their league win.

[IUFG]

Sense, in world of non sense. Wd HR bender.

Testify.

Err, thanks, I think, sw

[Pokster]

Misleading. That figure only adds up if you base it on cost of squads. He actually spent around £180 million between buying Leicester and their league win.

Please show your workings.

And compare that to how much our owner spent

[Burney]

They were bankrolled by their owners, something our owner didn't do through choice....and yet again, please point out where I say we should have gone into more debt, I know you like making things up but please stop showing how big an arse you are on this subject

We had no 'owner' until last year when Usmanov sold up last year, ffs! We have never been 'bankrolled' and have always had to operate using only what's on our balance sheet. Given which, the only way for us to access more funds would have been by running on debt.

All of which, of course, supports my point. Wenger never had the money to spend that his rivals did. :shrug:

[IUFG]

Misleading. That figure only adds up if you base it on cost of squads. He actually spent around £180 million between buying Leicester and their league win.

and Arsenal spent £220m in the same period.

Yes, Arsenal recovered significant amounts in transfers out.

Would that suggest that Lester spent their money more wisely than AW / The Arsenal?

[IUFG]

We had no 'owner' until last year when Usmanov sold up last year, ffs! We have never been 'bankrolled' and have always had to operate using only what's on our balance sheet. Given which, the only way for us to access more funds would have been by running on debt.

All of which, of course, supports my point. Wenger never had the money to spend that his rivals did. :shrug:

OR we could have stayed at THoF and still be winning leagues... :cry:

[Burney]

and Arsenal spent £220m in the same period.

Yes, Arsenal recovered significant amounts in transfers out.

Would that suggest that Lester spent their money more wisely than AW / The Arsenal?

Sure. And more wisely than United, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and City, of course. :shrug:

The point is that, while Leicester's win was an aberration, it was still the consequence of massive injection of cash in a very short period and not quite the aberration it's made out to be.

[Pokster]

and Arsenal spent £220m in the same period.

Yes, Arsenal recovered significant amounts in transfers out.

Would that suggest that Lester spent their money more wisely than AW / The Arsenal?

Is spent only transfer fees, or are we including some of the very high wages we gave to players? I believe AW was in charge of that side of the business as well

[Tony C]

To be fair...we all knew Emery would need this season to get to grips with the squad and make the appropriate changes.

He was quite keen on trying to improve some of them ie his supposed interview dossier but some of the players are utterly brainless / washed up.

He’s done well in some areas (improved performances / results against the top sides) and not so good in other areas (poor away form).

His tinkering has worked for some games and not so good in others. We got vital points from some games because of it and lost points in others because of it.

Main thing was him understanding what he’s working with and make the appropriate changes over the course of a couple summer transfer windows.

He hasn’t been helped by long term injuries and the inept / poor firm of some players as well as some of the decisions being made by other elements in the club (poor contract negotiations meaning we’ve reached out salary cap and even if we had the funds couldn’t bring anyone in) and the decision to mug Sven off who I thought was doing a decent job...Leno, Torreira and Gwen are all bargain signings Wenger would’ve been proud of imo

Holding and Bellerin were extremely critical injuries because they genuinely looked like they were back on track to being top class players. Not so much with Welbeck but he would’ve provided us with so many extra attacking options.

The summer will be interesting...

For people wanting Emery out...just think who his replacement might because there’s a strong case for Sol23 getting the job.

[redgunamo]

But that misses the rather crucial point that had we had that kind of money, then we wouldn't have had Wenger. We simply wouldn't have needed him in the first place :shrug:



We had no 'owner' until last year when Usmanov sold up last year, ffs! We have never been 'bankrolled' and have always had to operate using only what's on our balance sheet. Given which, the only way for us to access more funds would have been by running on debt.

All of which, of course, supports my point. Wenger never had the money to spend that his rivals did. :shrug:

[Burney]

To be fair...we all knew Emery would need this season to get to grips with the squad and make the appropriate changes.

He was quite keen on trying to improve some of them ie his supposed interview dossier but some of the players are utterly brainless / washed up.

He’s done well in some areas (improved performances / results against the top sides) and not so good in other areas (poor away form).

His tinkering has worked for some games and not so good in others. We got vital points from some games because of it and lost points in others because of it.

Main thing was him understanding what he’s working with and make the appropriate changes over the course of a couple summer transfer windows.

He hasn’t been helped by long term injuries and the inept / poor firm of some players as well as some of the decisions being made by other elements in the club (poor contract negotiations meaning we’ve reached out salary cap and even if we had the funds couldn’t bring anyone in) and the decision to mug Sven off who I thought was doing a decent job...Leno, Torreira and Gwen are all bargain signings Wenger would’ve been proud of imo

Holding and Bellerin were extremely critical injuries because they genuinely looked like they were back on track to being top class players. Not so much with Welbeck but he would’ve provided us with so many extra attacking options.

The summer will be interesting...

For people wanting Emery out...just think who his replacement might because there’s a strong case for Sol23 getting the job.

The FGY for me would represent absolutely outstanding banter. :cloud9:

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[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

Wenger brought us two FA Cups and a second-place finish in his last four seasons. :shrug:


One could argue that finishing 2nd to Leicester constitutes a bit of a bad season When your main rivals fail, why have you not taken advantage etc etc. Of course there may be a number of actual reasons for this, who really knows?

[WES]

If I say Object A is 'impressive' and bemoan the fact that I don't own Object A because I hung on too long to Object X, the clear implication is that Object B that I do now have by virtue of hanging on too long to Object X is not 'impressive'.

Something that is not 'impressive' is, by definition 'unimpressive'.

This is not difficult. :shrug:

Correct it is not difficult but it seems to be beyond you this morning.

Emery was the right choice given the options, he has an impressive record and hiring him made sense. I would have preferred Pochettino or Klopp however as I was even more impressed with their work.

This entirely consistent with what I posted but in no way should lead you to the conclusion that Emery is ‘not impressive ‘ in my view.

[redgunamo]

Same reason there always is; we struggle to make 80 points.



One could argue that finishing 2nd to Leicester constitutes a bit of a bad season When your main rivals fail, why have you not taken advantage etc etc. Of course there may be a number of actual reasons for this, who really knows?

[SWv2]

Same reason there always is; we struggle to make 80 points.

Not this year Red.

[redgunamo]

Yeah, 90 is the new 80. That's what you need to be thinking of getting before you can even start to believe you may have a chance of winning the title.

Money has ruined it all :-( #WengerOut


Not this year Red.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

Now we all know you are being a **** because..
a) you are a ****
b) see a)

but what result would you have taken before the game???


Reminds me of 1980s Commodore 64 Basic

10 Print "You're a ****"
20 GoTo 10
Go

Why mess with the classics?

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

And yet that is what we won and where we finished nonetheless. :shrug:

My point is that your narrative of inexorable, season-on-season decline under Wenger simply isn't borne out by the facts. :shrug:


We should have won the league that season. Failing to win that league, that season should be viewed as failure.

[Burney]

We should have won the league that season. Failing to win that league, that season should be viewed as failure.

That applies equally (in fact more so) to Tottenham, Chelsea, United, Liverpool and City. :shrug:

But the fact remains that, of the losers, we came top.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

We had no 'owner' until last year when Usmanov sold up last year, ffs! We have never been 'bankrolled' and have always had to operate using only what's on our balance sheet. Given which, the only way for us to access more funds would have been by running on debt.

All of which, of course, supports my point. Wenger never had the money to spend that his rivals did. :shrug:


...and yet, over the last 7 or 8 seasons what have we produced from the youth or from great scouting?

[Burney]

...and yet, over the last 7 or 8 seasons what have we produced from the youth or from great scouting?

A fair point, but the youth team wasn't Wenger's domain. Equally, scouting is all very well, but as other clubs wised up to what AW had achieved, competition for the good young players across Europe hotted up and money (ie Chelsea) tended to talk.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

A fair point, but the youth team wasn't Wenger's domain. Equally, scouting is all very well, but as other clubs wised up to what AW had achieved, competition for the good young players across Europe hotted up and money (ie Chelsea) tended to talk.


Wenger was a master of implementing a good scouting network. A blue print for others to follow and they did with more money. He was not a master of spending big and not one for developing youth.

So what next?

He kept us ticking along but with a combination of transfer restrictions and his own limitations, what were we really capable of achieving?

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

That applies equally (in fact more so) to Tottenham, Chelsea, United, Liverpool and City. :shrug:

But the fact remains that, of the losers, we came top.


Man City, Man U and Chelsea sacked their managers at the end of that season. Liverpool sacked their manager during that season and Spurs had just hired Potato head a little before.