View Full Version : Brexit is going to ultimately get cancelled if May loses tonight, isn’t it?
It will take some time but if the general will of MPs is there then I believe that there will be a second referendum, at the very least (and it’s quite challenging to see how that wouldn’t result in ‘remain’ winning, especially if MPs rule out hard Brexit tomorrow)
It will take some time but if the general will of MPs is there then I believe that there will be a second referendum, at the very least (and it’s quite challenging to see how that wouldn’t result in ‘remain’ winning, especially if MPs rule out hard Brexit tomorrow)
who the fúck knows what will happen, r
All I reckon is there will be more calls from Labour to hold a general election. Especially since Wee Jimmy Krankie has said they would consider forming a coalition with Labour. What a shítstorm that would be.
Burney
03-12-2019, 05:27 PM
who the fúck knows what will happen, r
All I reckon is there will be more calls from Labour to hold a general election. Especially since Wee Jimmy Krankie has said they would consider forming a coalition with Labour. What a shítstorm that would be.
All I know is that at the moment it's a prism through which everyone sees what they want to see.
It will take some time but if the general will of MPs is there then I believe that there will be a second referendum, at the very least (and it’s quite challenging to see how that wouldn’t result in ‘remain’ winning, especially if MPs rule out hard Brexit tomorrow)
Explain to me how you come to the conclusion that Remain would win next time? This feels like the same logic that told us it was guaranteed to win last time...
Explain to me how you come to the conclusion that Remain would win next time? This feels like the same logic that told us it was guaranteed to win last time...
People know now what May’s deal entails and can see that virtually everything they were promised is a lie. There are now 15-17 year olds that can now vote (and young people were shown to vote remain very convincingly). A lot of old people have died since the vote. People have perhaps realised that we obviously are better together and may be hopeful of future EU Reform which seems likely.
I could go on?
Burney
03-12-2019, 05:47 PM
Explain to me how you come to the conclusion that Remain would win next time? This feels like the same logic that told us it was guaranteed to win last time...
Nobody who wants a second referendum has got as far as thinking about how on earth they would win one (barring fixing the questions, which wouldn't wash).
The Leave campaign would be the simplest to message ever: Look at these *******s! Look how they've ignored you and are trying to overturn your vote! Are you going to let them get away with that?'
The Remain campaign, on the other hand, would have two years of bitterness, enmity, threats and bullying from the EU to overcome.
Leave would win by a bigger margin.
Burney
03-12-2019, 05:50 PM
People know now what May’s deal entails and can see that virtually everything they were promised is a lie. There are now 15-17 year olds that can now vote (and young people were shown to vote remain very convincingly). A lot of old people have died since the vote. People have perhaps realised that we obviously are better together and may be hopeful of future EU Reform which seems likely.
I could go on?
:hehe: You are Will Straw and I claim my £10.
'Better together'! Fvck me. :hehe:
Also, any strategy that relies on turning out the youth vote is royally fvcked.
They. Don't. Vote.
The Insider
03-12-2019, 07:50 PM
Well it's happened now, so we shall see.....
Sir C
03-12-2019, 08:07 PM
It will take some time but if the general will of MPs is there then I believe that there will be a second referendum, at the very least (and it’s quite challenging to see how that wouldn’t result in ‘remain’ winning, especially if MPs rule out hard Brexit tomorrow)
Brexit was cancelled the day of the referendum.
They were never, ever going to let it happen. Our political masters are perfectly happy with the status quo, thank you.
Burney
03-12-2019, 08:27 PM
Brexit was cancelled the day of the referendum
They were never, ever going to let it happen. Our political masters are perfectly happy with the status quo, thank you.
Think so?
Have you seen the text of tomorrow’s motion?
It says this House declines to leave without a deal, but acknowledges that no deal is the default option should no deal be reached that is ratified by Parliament and the EU.
So basically ‘No deal is not what this house wants but it is what will happen because the law’.
She’s gonna come back with the same deal right up against the deadline and then it’ll be shít or bust.
Either way we’re leaving.
Sir C
03-12-2019, 08:40 PM
Think so?
Have you seen the text of tomorrow’s motion?
It says this House declines to leave without a deal, but acknowledges that no deal is the default option should no deal be reached that is ratified by Parliament and the EU.
So basically ‘No deal is not what this house wants but it is what will happen because the law’.
She’s gonna come back with the same deal right up against the deadline and then it’ll be shít or bust.
Either way we’re leaving.
Nah. They will vote against no deal, then vote for an extension. Once the extension is agreed, the fix is in. A period of seeking a different deal. An extension to the extension. Failure to find a new deal. A second referendum...
Burney
03-12-2019, 08:49 PM
Nah. They will vote against no deal, then vote for an extension. Once the extension is agreed, the fix is in. A period of seeking a different deal. An extension to the extension. Failure to find a new deal. A second referendum...
Not politically sustainable. There’ll be a GE before a 2nd referendum.
Sir C
03-12-2019, 08:51 PM
Not politically sustainable. There’ll be a GE before a 2nd referendum.
Christ. I for one welcome our new socialist overlords.
Monty92
03-12-2019, 09:01 PM
Christ. I for one welcome our new socialist overlords.
She'll hold a third vote, which will obviously pass, you dozy b*astards
Burney
03-12-2019, 09:01 PM
Christ. I for one welcome our new socialist overlords.
Seriously, though, she’s going for her deal or no deal.
Sir C
03-12-2019, 09:04 PM
Seriously, though, she’s going for her deal or no deal.
Her deal’s dead, though. And even if she tries to amend it, her authority is now such that no one cares what she’s going for. And parliament won’t allow a no deal departure. Impasse. Delay until it can be kicked into the weeds.
Monty92
03-12-2019, 09:06 PM
Think so?
Have you seen the text of tomorrow’s motion?
It says this House declines to leave without a deal, but acknowledges that no deal is the default option should no deal be reached that is ratified by Parliament and the EU.
So basically ‘No deal is not what this house wants but it is what will happen because the law’.
She’s gonna come back with the same deal right up against the deadline and then it’ll be shít or bust.
Either way we’re leaving.
Ahem!!!!!!!!!!!
Monty92
03-12-2019, 09:07 PM
Her deal’s dead, though. And even if she tries to amend it, her authority is now such that no one cares what she’s going for. And parliament won’t allow a no deal departure. Impasse. Delay until it can be kicked into the weeds.
Her deal is not dead.
Burney
03-12-2019, 09:08 PM
She'll hold a third vote, which will obviously pass, you dozy b*astards
Right now, Labour MPs are going mental because she’s going for the blackmail option.
If you think they’re going to abstain, you’re a mong.
Labour ultimately wants to be able to say ‘Tory Brexit, blah, blah’ afterwards. Abstention doesn’t give them that. They’ll be whipped to vote against.
So it comes down to the DUP and the ERG.
Still think No Deal can’t happen?
Sir C
03-12-2019, 09:09 PM
Her deal is not dead.
Jeremy says it’s dead, and Jeremy never lies.
Monty92
03-12-2019, 09:13 PM
Right now, Labour MPs are going mental because she’s going for the blackmail option.
If you think they’re going to abstain, you’re a mong.
Labour ultimately wants to be able to say ‘Tory Brexit, blah, blah’ afterwards. Abstention doesn’t give them that. They’ll be whipped to vote against.
So it comes down to the DUP and the ERG.
Still think No Deal can’t happen?
I've never said Labour would abstain en masse, or indeed at all.
In your scenario, the numbers could be pretty tight, but I think the DUP would fall into line as when it comes to the crunch they don't have any hard Brexiteer ideologues in their ranks and would rather May's deal than No Deal. That would then bring over enough ERG members for her deal to pass.
Burney
03-12-2019, 09:19 PM
I've never said Labour would abstain en masse, or indeed at all.
In your scenario, the numbers could be pretty tight, but I think the DUP would fall into line as when it comes to the crunch they don't have any hard Brexiteer ideologues in their ranks and would rather May's deal than No Deal. That would then bring over enough ERG members for her deal to pass.
Oh, mate. You really don’t get the DUP, do you? No reason you should, tbf.
Anything - ANYTHING - that smells of splitting Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom - which the backstop does - will be rejected out of hand.
Either way, No Deal is a possibility.
Sorry for calling you a mong, btw. Rude of me.
Monty92
03-12-2019, 09:27 PM
Oh, mate. You really don’t get the DUP, do you? No reason you should, tbf.
Anything - ANYTHING - that smells of splitting Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom - which the backstop does - will be rejected out of hand.
Either way, No Deal is a possibility.
Sorry for calling you a mong, btw. Rude of me.
The only genuine fears about the backstop are that it would reduce our negotiating leverage. No-one *actually* believes there's a remote chance of us actually ending up trapped in it - it's all just bluster.
If this were not the case, you would be right to think the DUP won't budge. But it is.
Burney
03-12-2019, 09:42 PM
The only genuine fears about the backstop are that it would reduce our negotiating leverage. No-one *actually* believes there's a remote chance of us actually ending up trapped in it - it's all just bluster.
If this were not the case, you would be right to think the DUP won't budge. But it is.
m, I love you dearly and enjoy our chats. You’re a very bright chap generally, but sometimes I do wonder about the way you get ideas stuck in your head.
The WHOLE POINT of the backstop is to keep us trapped in it unless we accept a permanent customs union (ie de facto EU membership).
Someone today likened it to getting into a car with someone who has a gun in the glovebox. You ask them to get rid of the gun, they say ‘Don’t worry about the gun - I’ll never use it’
‘So why do you need the gun?’
‘Never mind the gun. Let’s just get where we’re going’
‘Where are we going?’
‘Wherever I say’
‘Can I get out, please?’
‘No. I have a gun’
Monty92
03-12-2019, 09:56 PM
m, I love you dearly and enjoy our chats. You’re a very bright chap generally, but sometimes I do wonder about the way you get ideas stuck in your head.
The WHOLE POINT of the backstop is to keep us trapped in it unless we accept a permanent customs union (ie de facto EU membership).
Someone today likened it to getting into a car with someone who has a gun in the glovebox. You ask them to get rid of the gun, they say ‘Don’t worry about the gun - I’ll never use it’
‘So why do you need the gun?’
‘Never mind the gun. Let’s just get where we’re going’
‘Where are we going?’
‘Wherever I say’
‘Can I get out, please?’
‘No. I have a gun’
Actually, I think the risk of a permanent custom union doesn't come from the EU, it comes from a Labour government taking over the Future Relationship negotiations. To that extent, I take your point.
But that could happen even if we were granted the legal right to unilaterally exit the backstop. And so if the DUP were truly concerned about a permanent customs union, they would surely oppose Brexit in its totality on the grounds that a mere change of government could precipitate one.
Burney
03-12-2019, 10:18 PM
Actually, I think the risk of a permanent custom union doesn't come from the EU, it comes from a Labour government taking over the Future Relationship negotiations. To that extent, I take your point.
But that could happen even if we were granted the legal right to unilaterally exit the backstop. And so if the DUP were truly concerned about a permanent customs union, they would surely oppose Brexit in its totality on the grounds that a mere change of government could precipitate one.
NI did oppose Brexit in its totality for exactly this reason. They finally found a modus vivendi after 200-odd years and we fûcked it up by having bigger European fish to fry (pretty much a microcosm of Anglo-Irish history right there, btw :hehe: ).
However, if given a choice between the U.K. and any suggestion of being governed, affiliated with or at the mercy of the Irish Republic, the DUP will always choose the U.K. They will fight anyone - including us - to stay British.
There is only one thing the DUP is concerned about: the terror of being ruled by Fenian scum. Literally nothing else matters.
The sad truth is that this whole thing has come down to weird, Irish shít.
I don’t blame you for not getting it. Not many English people do.
People know now what May’s deal entails and can see that virtually everything they were promised is a lie. There are now 15-17 year olds that can now vote (and young people were shown to vote remain very convincingly). A lot of old people have died since the vote. People have perhaps realised that we obviously are better together and may be hopeful of future EU Reform which seems likely.
I could go on?
The biggest factor by far when it came to determining how people voted was education. 68% of people with university degrees voted to Remain, 70% of those with no more than O levels voted to Leave. That hasn't changed, Rich, so neither would the vote.
And note Burney's point about how Leave voters are very likely to become entrenched given the way they would feel about their vote having been ignored. How many Leave voters do you think voted Leave assuming we would get a great deal as part of Brexit, or because they didn't actually think we would do it? Those numbers are pretty small, I expect, and more than likely to be offset by a number of Remain voters who have been put off by the attitude of the EU.
The vote would be more or less the same, and the country would be even more divided. It's time for no deal, I've said that for some time. Remain or no deal are the only options that are justifiable in my view, and we voted against the former so it's time to get on with the latter.
The biggest factor by far when it came to determining how people voted was education. 68% of people with university degrees voted to Remain, 70% of those with no more than O levels voted to Leave. That hasn't changed, Rich, so neither would the vote.
And note Burney's point about how Leave voters are very likely to become entrenched given the way they would feel about their vote having been ignored. How many Leave voters do you think voted Leave assuming we would get a great deal as part of Brexit, or because they didn't actually think we would do it? Those numbers are pretty small, I expect, and more than likely to be offset by a number of Remain voters who have been put off by the attitude of the EU.
The vote would be more or less the same, and the country would be even more divided. It's time for no deal, I've said that for some time. Remain or no deal are the only options that are justifiable in my view, and we voted against the former so it's time to get on with the latter.
in the latest edition of Viz there is an ad for a Brexit Shítstorm Globe :hehe:
m, I love you dearly and enjoy our chats. You’re a very bright chap generally, but sometimes I do wonder about the way you get ideas stuck in your head.
The WHOLE POINT of the backstop is to keep us trapped in it unless we accept a permanent customs union (ie de facto EU membership).
Someone today likened it to getting into a car with someone who has a gun in the glovebox. You ask them to get rid of the gun, they say ‘Don’t worry about the gun - I’ll never use it’
‘So why do you need the gun?’
‘Never mind the gun. Let’s just get where we’re going’
‘Where are we going?’
‘Wherever I say’
‘Can I get out, please?’
‘No. I have a gun’
You really think the EU would be content with a situation where we had access to the common market while having control of our borders, not having to pay them any money and with limited requirement to adhere to their laws (I believe this is only in two areas of trade)?
I'm not convinced. They're leaving themselves open to internal implosion if that state exists for too long. I agree with Monty that the backstop would not actually last if it were ever implemented and the only reason MPs are saying otherwise are political.
Pokster
03-13-2019, 09:24 AM
You really think the EU would be content with a situation where we had access to the common market while having control of our borders, not having to pay them any money and with limited requirement to adhere to their laws (I believe this is only in two areas of trade)?
I'm not convinced. They're leaving themselves open to internal implosion if that state exists for too long. I agree with Monty that the backstop would not actually last if it were ever implemented and the only reason MPs are saying otherwise are political.
My 2p worth...... no deal vote tonight gets defeated, tomorrow parliament votes for an extension, UK Govt go beggiung to the EU for an extension 9how long this could be is muddied by European Elections etc), the can gets kicked down the road over and over again, eventually a 2nd Ref is held with iether remain or leave under these terms xxxx... remain win and we don't leave.
Politics will never be the same again and there is a numbe rof riots in some of the areas that voted for leave.
Spurs fall apart every year for evermore, Berni and Monty carry on making out they were correct and argue every few days over Brexit.
Sir C gets the all clear but decides he doesn't like being able to smell anything so snorts large amounts of coke so his nose looks like Daniella Westbrooks.
Ramsey is a great success in Italy and wins world player of the year award 3 years running.
Arsenal Alcoholic Review
03-13-2019, 09:41 AM
NI did oppose Brexit in its totality for exactly this reason. They finally found a modus vivendi after 200-odd years and we fûcked it up by having bigger European fish to fry (pretty much a microcosm of Anglo-Irish history right there, btw :hehe: ).
However, if given a choice between the U.K. and any suggestion of being governed, affiliated with or at the mercy of the Irish Republic, the DUP will always choose the U.K. They will fight anyone - including us - to stay British.
There is only one thing the DUP is concerned about: the terror of being ruled by Fenian scum. Literally nothing else matters.
The sad truth is that this whole thing has come down to weird, Irish shít.
I don’t blame you for not getting it. Not many English people do.
Yes it's all quite surreal really. The Orangemen don't want a hard border nor do Soros Fein but we have the EU calling the shots of what happens in Ireland and nobody can see the problem.
Herbert Augustus Chapman
03-13-2019, 09:45 AM
And old Herbie continues to fire it up your missus
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:05 AM
Yes it's all quite surreal really. The Orangemen don't want a hard border nor do Soros Fein but we have the EU calling the shots of what happens in Ireland and nobody can see the problem.
The whole thing is bizarre and ironies abound. For instance that Sinn Fein ('we ourselves' or 'ourselves alone', lest we forget that its whole raison d'etre has always been Irish self-determination) has long been the loudest voice of Euroscepticism on the island of Ireland. And yet now it attempting to exploit an act of Eurosceptic self-determination of precisely the sort it has long advocated for Ireland and is using Ireland's membership of the EU as a means of achieving a united Ireland by the back door.
Breathtaking hypocrisy and cynicism.
Sir C
03-13-2019, 10:08 AM
My 2p worth...... no deal vote tonight gets defeated, tomorrow parliament votes for an extension, UK Govt go beggiung to the EU for an extension 9how long this could be is muddied by European Elections etc), the can gets kicked down the road over and over again, eventually a 2nd Ref is held with iether remain or leave under these terms xxxx... remain win and we don't leave.
Politics will never be the same again and there is a numbe rof riots in some of the areas that voted for leave.
Spurs fall apart every year for evermore, Berni and Monty carry on making out they were correct and argue every few days over Brexit.
Sir C gets the all clear but decides he doesn't like being able to smell anything so snorts large amounts of coke so his nose looks like Daniella Westbrooks.
Ramsey is a great success in Italy and wins world player of the year award 3 years running.
I'm staying clean, man. No more hanging around in dark alleys offering £5 blow jobs to buy a rock. Not any more.
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:09 AM
And old Herbie continues to fire it up your missus
Your daily reminder that posts that don't use the 'Reply with quote' button don't actually make any sense.
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:12 AM
I'm staying clean, man. No more hanging around in dark alleys offering £5 blow jobs to buy a rock. Not any more.
Presumably your nose could no longer take the gak even if you wanted to?
Like I say, you can always have it blown up your fundament. :shrug:
EDIT: I am not offering to do the blowing.
Herbert Augustus Chapman
03-13-2019, 10:15 AM
And yet now it attempting to exploit an act of Eurosceptic self-determination of precisely the sort it has long advocated for Ireland and is using Ireland's membership of the EU as a means of achieving a united Ireland by the back door.
Breathtaking hypocrisy and cynicism.
A body politic exhibiting self interest and cynicism? Astonishing :rolleyes:
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:19 AM
A body politic exhibiting self interest and cynicism? Astonishing :rolleyes:
You used it! :clap:
Herbert Augustus Chapman
03-13-2019, 10:30 AM
:hehe:
Also, any strategy that relies on turning out the youth vote is royally fvcked.
They. Don't. Vote.
I thought it was Labour's success in using social media to mobilise yoot vote that explained why so many pompous old Tory tossers were so wide of the mark in their predictions for the last GE :shrug:
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:41 AM
I thought it was Labour's success in using social media to mobilise yoot vote that explained why so many pompous old Tory tossers were so wide of the mark in their predictions for the last GE :shrug:
The so-called 'Youth quake'? Nope. Completely debunked,.I'm afraid. What boosted Labour at the last GE was middle-aged, middle-class Remainers voting Labour as an anti-Brexit protest vote.
Thick fùckers thought Labour was an anti-Brexit party :hehe:
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 10:44 AM
My genocidal maniac brig.gen African warlord uncle used to say something like that too.
Sandhurst, you see; even brings out the best in the worst of us :-\
They will fight anyone - including us - to stay British.
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:45 AM
My genocidal maniac two-star general African warlord uncle used to say something like that too.
Sandhurst, you see; even brings out the best in the worst of us :-\
We've all got one, haven't we? Can make Christmas awkward at times.
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 10:47 AM
That does not seem likely to me. The British peoples are now alive to the work of Russian trolls, and the Brexit campaign was the work of Russians plus some old people.
The British will now come to their senses and remain in the EU. Eastern European prostitutes will continue to ply their trade in Albion, unimpeded.
:-)
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 10:48 AM
We've all got one, haven't we? Can make Christmas awkward at times.
No-one ever mentioned it back when I was a kid :-\
Presumably your nose could no longer take the gak even if you wanted to?
Like I say, you can always have it blown up your fundament. :shrug:
EDIT: I am not offering to do the blowing.
I'm more concerned that he couldn't breathe whilst blowing his clients, b. I'm guessing he was at it like a dog eating hot chips.
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 10:50 AM
No need for Commie troll money, e. Britain would've happily supported Brexit for free. Something to do with about five hundred years of history.
That does not seem likely to me. The British peoples are now alive to the work of Russian trolls, and the Brexit campaign was the work of Russians plus some old people.
The British will now come to their senses and remain in the EU. Eastern European prostitutes will continue to ply their trade in Albion, unimpeded.
:-)
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:51 AM
That does not seem likely to me. The British peoples are now alive to the work of Russian trolls, and the Brexit campaign was the work of Russians plus some old people.
The British will now come to their senses and remain in the EU. Eastern European prostitutes will continue to ply their trade in Albion, unimpeded.
:-)
Yes, but ega, you get your notions of what the British are thinking from the Washington Post and the NYT.
That's like getting your opinions on the British view of Churchill from the Deutsche Beobachter. :shrug:
In the nicest possible way, you have precisely fùck all idea what you're talking about. :-\
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:54 AM
No need for Commie troll money, e. Britain would've happily supported Brexit for free. Something to do with about five hundred years of history.
I love the idea that Russia and its piddling little economy (smaller than Australia's) managed to financially out-muscle a campaign that was backed by the UK government, the Bank of England, the US President, the World Bank, the CBI, Goldman Sachs, etc. :hehe:
It is fùcking laughable.
Burney
03-13-2019, 10:55 AM
No-one ever mentioned it back when I was a kid :-\
I've always fancied being a warlord. It sounds ace. What's the pension like?
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 10:56 AM
Can I ask you where on your smart phone you get the ability to add the inflection to your "u" in fu ck? I feel if I had that I'd be able express myself more authentically.
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 10:56 AM
Equally the Washington Post and the New York Times get their notions about what Britain is thinking from Yankees who've visited Europe, like e :-|
Yes, but ega, you get your notions of what the British are thinking from the Washington Post and the NYT.
That's like getting your opinions on the British view of Churchill from the Deutsche Beobachter. :shrug:
In the nicest possible way, you have precisely fùck all idea what you're talking about. :-\
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 11:00 AM
I've always fancied being a warlord. It sounds ace. What's the pension like?
Actually, that was one of the things that first attracted me to the army life; boxcars full of used banknotes.
Burney
03-13-2019, 11:06 AM
Can I ask you where on your smart phone you get the ability to add the inflection to your "u" in fu ck? I feel if I had that I'd be able express myself more authentically.
On an iPhone you simply keep your finger on the 'u' button until the option appears. On a PC keyboard it's ALT+151
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 11:07 AM
Anyway, President Trump has apparently been a secret Feeb resource all along and is about to get up and haul all o' y'all's asses, and your smartphones, into jail :-)
Can I ask you where on your smart phone you get the ability to add the inflection to your "u" in fu ck? I feel if I had that I'd be able express myself more authentically.
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 11:09 AM
Actually, that was one of the things that first attracted me to the army life; boxcars full of used banknotes.
Interestingly (perhaps) one of my production partners is the nephew of Robert Mugabe. He's an actor, living quite a nice life in Vienna.
Herbert Augustus Chapman
03-13-2019, 11:10 AM
The so-called 'Youth quake'? Nope. Completely debunked
Debunked! When and by whom? A link if you would b. I'm going to actually call out your anecdotal assertions.
Burney
03-13-2019, 11:12 AM
Debunked! When and by whom? A link if you would b. I'm going to actually call out your anecdotal assertions.
:rolleyes:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42747342
Herbert Augustus Chapman
03-13-2019, 11:13 AM
On an iPhone you simply keep your finger on the 'u' button until the option appears. On a PC keyboard it's ALT+151
And the Alt Gr button plus your desired letter - on the right of the spacebar usually gives you the inflection you need
That does not seem likely to me. The British peoples are now alive to the work of Russian trolls, and the Brexit campaign was the work of Russians plus some old people.
The British will now come to their senses and remain in the EU. Eastern European prostitutes will continue to ply their trade in Albion, unimpeded.
:-)
Is there any cretinous russophobic conspiracy theory you don't buy into ega? No, I thought not. You've probably already got Tulsi Gabbard down as a Kremlin construct. Listen up, you gullible muppet, the reason your psychotic, criminal b1tch from hell lost the election is because she's a psychotic, criminal b1tch from hell and practically the only person in the democratic party capable of losing to Donald Trump. A Russian clickbait farm posting pictures of puppies on facebook had nothing to do with your election result. Neither did 79p of ads on facebook have anything to do with Brexit.
I apologise for the tone of this post. I have a policy of trying to be polite to people on here, but you really are an irritating pillock.
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 11:14 AM
On an iPhone you simply keep your finger on the 'u' button until the option appears. On a PC keyboard it's ALT+151
Cool bro! :wave:
Burney
03-13-2019, 11:15 AM
Is there any cretinous russophobic conspiracy theory you don't buy into ega? No, I thought not. You've probably already got Tulsi Gabbard down as a Kremlin construct. Listen up, you gullible muppet, the reason your psychotic, criminal b1tch from hell lost the election is because she's a psychotic, criminal b1tch from hell and practically the only person in the democratic party capable of losing to Donald Trump. A Russian clickbait farm posting pictures of puppies on facebook had nothing to do with your election result. Neither did 79p of ads on facebook have anything to do with Brexit.
I apologise for the tone of this post. I have a policy of trying to be polite to people on here, but you really are an irritating pillock.
:clap: Fine use of the word 'pillock', a.
Burney
03-13-2019, 11:17 AM
Actually, that was one of the things that first attracted me to the army life; boxcars full of used banknotes.
They don't mention it in the ads. It was all 'Be The Best' and 'See The World' and whatnot. Nothing about boxcars full of cash.
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 11:19 AM
Yes, getting out of Africa, so to speak, seems to be the important thing. One of my uncle's children, my cousin, settled in Delaware. Another in New Jersey.
Interestingly (perhaps) one of my production partners is the nephew of Robert Mugabe. He's an actor, living quite a nice life in Vienna.
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 11:21 AM
Understandable, I suppose. Young, impressionable minds could get the wrong idea.
I was uncommonly fortunate.
They don't mention it in the ads. It was all 'Be The Best' and 'See The World' and whatnot. Nothing about boxcars full of cash.
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 11:22 AM
Is there any cretinous russophobic conspiracy theory you don't buy into ega? No, I thought not. You've probably already got Tulsi Gabbard down as a Kremlin construct. Listen up, you gullible muppet, the reason your psychotic, criminal b1tch from hell lost the election is because she's a psychotic, criminal b1tch from hell and practically the only person in the democratic party capable of losing to Donald Trump. A Russian clickbait farm posting pictures of puppies on facebook had nothing to do with your election result. Neither did 79p of ads on facebook have anything to do with Brexit.
I apologise for the tone of this post. I have a policy of trying to be polite to people on here, but you really are an irritating pillock.
Tulsi Gabbard :love:
Wait a second. Wait just a goddamned minute. I admit Hillary Clinton was a flawed candidate. Her voice, in particular, which causes my testicles to run for cover way up in my fvcking abdomen. But the American result was quite an anomaly, and I can't see how you could know anything about it. Not unless you're living in Boston or some undisclosed American location. I know a lot of people who were getting pretty crazy around 2016. Like run for the hills and become the Unabomber crazy. But that's not to say some weird stuff was not actually going on.
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 11:29 AM
Yes, getting out of Africa, so to speak, seems to be the important thing. One of my uncle's children, my cousin, settled in Delaware. Another in New Jersey.
Yes, very sensible. I quite like Delaware. I grew up close to there, in Maryland. Horses and stuff.
Burney
03-13-2019, 11:30 AM
Tulsi Gabbard :love:
Wait a second. Wait just a goddamned minute. I admit Hillary Clinton was a flawed candidate. Her voice, in particular, which causes my testicles to run for cover way up in my fvcking abdomen. But the American result was quite an anomaly, and I can't see how you could know anything about it. Not unless you're living in Boston or some undisclosed American location. I know a lot of people who were getting pretty crazy around 2016. Like run for the hills and become the Unabomber crazy. But that's not to say some weird stuff was not actually going on.
'Weird stuff' is always going on, though. The point is, ega, that ascribing 'anomalous' events like Trump and Brexit to some deus ex machina (in this instance Russia) is fundamentally lazy thinking. The whole point is that these events are not anomalous. They are perfectly comprehensible - even predictable - given the historical context in which they took place. Britain's Euroscepticism is not new and the US public voting in large numbers for a populist candidate who firmly rejected the declinist, globalist Weltanschauung is hardly something that should have taken anyone by surprise.
Blaming Russians is something that's done by people who don't want to look the real reasons why these things happened in the face.
Yesterday Once More
03-13-2019, 11:32 AM
The votes to take no deal off the table and extend Article 50 are likely to be meaningless. I listened to the EU Parliament debate this morning. There is little mood to consider an extension. Socialist/liberal types argue we don't know what we want, so there's no point. Conservative/Eurosceptics argue that the EU doesn't have the right to lock a sovereign state in the EU when we have voted to leave. None of them want a whole load more Uncle Nigels elected if we have to take part in EU elections in May.
No deal is now the likeliest outcome, though not certain.
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 11:48 AM
'Weird stuff' is always going on, though. The point is, ega, that ascribing 'anomalous' events like Trump and Brexit to some deus ex machina (in this instance Russia) is fundamentally lazy thinking. The whole point is that these events are not anomalous. They are perfectly comprehensible - even predictable - given the historical context in which they took place. Britain's Euroscepticism is not new and the US public voting in large numbers for a populist candidate who firmly rejected the declinist, globalist Weltanschauung is hardly something that should have taken anyone by surprise.
Blaming Russians is something that's done by people who don't want to look the real reasons why these things happened in the face.
Sure. To an extent. And I did not object to the fact of that "side" of America getting a shot. It's very clear: there are the elite economic zones (NYC, LA, DC, SF), and there are the flyover states. The latter routinely get fvcked with. And we can see that the mere placeholder of a populist president surfaces a lot of gunge, such as, for example, this cheating scandal for elite colleges going on right now. This is all to the good. Lets off steam. And why should people not be homers, especially when we have nice areas, mountains, eagles. It's not Bangladesh, after all.
No question. But my goal is to bring about the anarcho-syndicalist overthrow of the the capitalist narco-state, and this means that I will always blast forth any conspiracy to help weaken the latter. Trump's illegitimacy, and your current travails, being two examples.
Burney
03-13-2019, 11:52 AM
Sure. To an extent. And I did not object to the fact of that "side" of America getting a shot. It's very clear: there are the elite economic zones (NYC, LA, DC, SF), and there are the flyover states. The latter routinely get fvcked with. And we can see that the mere placeholder of a populist president surfaces a lot of gunge, such as, for example, this cheating scandal for elite colleges going on right now. This is all to the good. Lets off steam. And why should people not be homers, especially when we have nice areas, mountains, eagles. It's not Bangladesh, after all.
No question. But my goal is to bring about the anarcho-syndicalist overthrow of the the capitalist narco-state, and this means that I will always blast forth any conspiracy to help weaken the latter. Trump's illegitimacy, and your current travails, being two examples.
Oh, right. Well good luck with that. :thumbup:
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 11:55 AM
Oh, right. Well good luck with that. :thumbup:
Thanks ;-) .
The votes to take no deal off the table and extend Article 50 are likely to be meaningless. I listened to the EU Parliament debate this morning. There is little mood to consider an extension. Socialist/liberal types argue we don't know what we want, so there's no point. Conservative/Eurosceptics argue that the EU doesn't have the right to lock a sovereign state in the EU when we have voted to leave. None of them want a whole load more Uncle Nigels elected if we have to take part in EU elections in May.
No deal is now the likeliest outcome, though not certain.
Not sure I understand why the EU would extend? Unless I’m missing something by not extending we are forced into no deal - which we have made it clear we won’t do - or May’s deal, which the EU have agreed.
So they refuse to extend and we are forced into May’s deal, no?
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 12:00 PM
Very good. I do sense a sort of warming up to your president happening here, e. You know, as Mueller & Co. prepares to call it a day and go home?
Sure. To an extent. And I did not object to the fact of that "side" of America getting a shot. It's very clear: there are the elite economic zones (NYC, LA, DC, SF), and there are the flyover states. The latter routinely get fvcked with. And we can see that the mere placeholder of a populist president surfaces a lot of gunge, such as, for example, this cheating scandal for elite colleges going on right now. This is all to the good. Lets off steam. And why should people not be homers, especially when we have nice areas, mountains, eagles. It's not Bangladesh, after all.
No question. But my goal is to bring about the anarcho-syndicalist overthrow of the the capitalist narco-state, and this means that I will always blast forth any conspiracy to help weaken the latter. Trump's illegitimacy, and your current travails, being two examples.
Burney
03-13-2019, 12:01 PM
Not sure I understand why the EU would extend? Unless I’m missing something by not extending we are forced into no deal - which we have made it clear we won’t do - or May’s deal, which the EU have agreed.
So they refuse to extend and we are forced into May’s deal, no?
Not if she can't get it through Parliament (which she patently can't), no.
A rejection of an extension means No Deal.
The only alternative is legislating to revoke of A50, which would be democratically indefensible and would represent electoral suicide for both major parties.
Not if she can't get it through Parliament (which she patently can't), no.
A rejection of an extension means No Deal.
The only alternative is legislating to revoke of A50, which would be democratically indefensible and would represent electoral suicide for both major parties.
so you think parliament if faced with a choice between no deal and May’s deal would choose no deal? Not convinced
Not if she can't get it through Parliament (which she patently can't), no.
A rejection of an extension means No Deal.
The only alternative is legislating to revoke of A50, which would be democratically indefensible and would represent electoral suicide for both major parties.
So .............. what exactly are you saying?
You leave with no deal?
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 12:10 PM
Very good. I do sense a sort of warming up to your president happening here, e. You know, as Mueller & Co. prepares to call it a day and go home?
Not so much a warming up as an advancing of the plot. Like I say violent overthrow of the state ;-)
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 12:12 PM
Always follow the money, SW #PanamaPapers #ParadisePapers :sherlock:
So .............. what exactly are you saying?
You leave with no deal?
Burney
03-13-2019, 12:15 PM
so you think parliament if faced with a choice between no deal and May’s deal would choose no deal? Not convinced
I've explained the mechanics whereby it potentially happens. Labour would whip against it and there's no reason to think any other opposition parties wouldn't do the same, since they'll want to distance themselves as far as possible from 'Tory Brexit' as they can. The DUP won't budge if the backstop doesn't and the ERG - if faced with a choice between the deal they hate and No Deal - will overwhelmingly vote No Deal (indeed, many of them would love it).
Now sure there are lots of potential complications to that (abstentions, rebellions on the Labour benches, Tory MPs losing their bottle, etc), but it's perfectly plausible - even likely at this stage - that May's deal is rejected a third time and we get No Deal. :shrug:
So .............. what exactly are you saying?
You leave with no deal?
The only upside to a delay from the EU’s perspective is that it ends up in a referendum and a Remain vote. The downside of no extension is that we may vote for no deal.
The EU has to decide which of those two things is more likely and proceed accordingly I think.
I’m now guessing they don’t extend we have one final vote and May’s deal goes through as parliament won’t vote for no deal.
Pat Vegas
03-13-2019, 12:16 PM
So all in all the Brexit is just a complicated equivalent of a Awimb flounce?
Burney
03-13-2019, 12:16 PM
So .............. what exactly are you saying?
You leave with no deal?
Potentially, yes. Absolutely. That is the default position.
At which point your economy goes pffffft. Sorry. :-\
redgunamo
03-13-2019, 12:21 PM
That should stop him mouthing off about poor old Thierry Henry at least, I suppose.
Potentially, yes. Absolutely. That is the default position.
At which point your economy goes pffffft. Sorry. :-\
Potentially, yes. Absolutely. That is the default position.
At which point your economy goes pffffft. Sorry. :-\
Yeah we’ll maybe the thick paddies shouldn’t have insisted on the backstop then :rolleyes:
Burney
03-13-2019, 12:22 PM
So all in all the Brexit is just a complicated equivalent of a Awimb flounce?
Amusingly, after all this time and all the high-level to-ing and fro-ing, it may come down to exactly that, yes. :hehe:
Burney
03-13-2019, 12:24 PM
Yeah we’ll maybe the thick paddies shouldn’t have insisted on the backstop then :rolleyes:
The Irish should have learned in 1689 that becoming the battleground for wider Anglo-European conflict does not end well for them.
I’m now guessing they don’t extend we have one final vote and May’s deal goes through as parliament won’t vote for no deal.
Despite your fondness for it, May's deal is almost the opposite of what 17.4 milion people voted for. It's a BRINO leaving Britain as an EU vassal with no escape. Actually, that's probably why you like it. Both parties will face decimation at the next election.
Burney
03-13-2019, 12:38 PM
That should stop him mouthing off about poor old Thierry Henry at least, I suppose.
Right. Imagine holding a cracking bit of cheating against our all-time greatest goalscorer.
Yeah we’ll maybe the thick paddies shouldn’t have insisted on the backstop then :rolleyes:
I could be wrong but I think the only "thick paddies" who are against the backstop are the people who don't want to be Irish in any way.
I repeat what I said a few weeks ago, I am not 100% sure what this back stop thing is.
Potentially, yes. Absolutely. That is the default position.
At which point your economy goes pffffft. Sorry. :-\
Not sure your own economy will be exactly golden will it?
Not sure your own economy will be exactly golden will it?
Fúck the economy, sw, I've heard the sun won't rise the morning after we exit...
That should stop him mouthing off about poor old Thierry Henry at least, I suppose.
Hold on now. I nearly ended up engaging in fisticuffs on one occasion defending TH for the handball, my assertion being that every footballer would have done the same thing at that time.
:-(
My issue with Henry is his missing that chance in Paris in 2006 but it would be extremely harsh to hold that against a man who provided so many great moments for us.
Herbert Augustus Chapman
03-13-2019, 12:47 PM
I repeat what I said a few weeks ago, I am not 100% sure what this back stop thing is.
I think it's some kind of butt-plug the mad dog orangers are insisting on being supplied with so the Taoiseach can't bum them when they are forced to merge with the Republic.
Hold on now. I nearly ended up engaging in fisticuffs on one occasion defending TH for the handball, my assertion being that every footballer would have done the same thing at that time.
:-(
My issue with Henry is his missing that chance in Paris in 2006 but it would be extremely harsh to hold that against a man who provided so many great moments for us.
:nod: If I were a Frenchie, I would have been furious if TH14/12 HAD NOT of handballed it...
Burney
03-13-2019, 12:49 PM
Not sure your own economy will be exactly golden will it?
Not at first, but it's a bit more resilient than yours, which is dependent on exporting to us to an extent that makes any interruption potentially catastrophic.
Believe me it would give me no pleasure, but if it happens, it will in no small part be because your government has placed pro-EU virtue-signalling and a bit of good, old-fashioned Brit-bashing over the immediate economic interests of the country. They should be held accountable if that happens.
I think it's some kind of butt-plug the mad dog orangers are insisting on being supplied with so the Taoiseach can't bum them when they are forced to merge with the Republic.
I thought the Orange lot did not want the back stop being that it would essentially mean they were being treated differently to the rest of the UK which is the one thing they cherish more than anything, their being part of "the Union".
Backstop essentially means no border and Ireland being one country.
And all together now, 1 - 2 - 3 ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-qgHh31bw
Burney
03-13-2019, 12:57 PM
I thought the Orange lot did not want the back stop being that it would essentially mean they were being treated differently to the rest of the UK which is the one thing they cherish more than anything, their being part of "the Union".
Backstop essentially means no border and Ireland being one country.
And all together now, 1 - 2 - 3 ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-qgHh31bw
Historical note: The island of Ireland has never actually been a unified, independent nation.
I thought the Orange lot did not want the back stop being that it would essentially mean they were being treated differently to the rest of the UK which is the one thing they cherish more than anything, their being part of "the Union".
Backstop essentially means no border and Ireland being one country.
And all together now, 1 - 2 - 3 ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-qgHh31bw
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f_HNcdyueqQ/UP--wZjL3wI/AAAAAAAAbwE/ruF0LkWJ3zE/s1600/408405_10151350036044729_609268070_n.jpg
Despite your fondness for it, May's deal is almost the opposite of what 17.4 milion people voted for. It's a BRINO leaving Britain as an EU vassal with no escape. Actually, that's probably why you like it. Both parties will face decimation at the next election.
Opposite in the sense that it returns control of our borders, our money and our laws (with small trade related exceptions).
How is that the opposite of what was voted for exactly?
Historical note: The island of Ireland has never actually been a unified, independent nation.
Yeah yeah, never mind all your "Historical note" nonsense. Have you seen the new statue of Luke Kelly?
Note there are 2, you will immediately clock the one I am referring you to.
:hehe:
Yeah yeah, never mind all your "Historical note" nonsense. Have you seen the new statue of Luke Kelly?
Note there are 2, you will immediately clock the one I am referring you to.
:hehe:
and the crowd went wild...
http://www.newsfour.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/crowd-with-relations.jpg
Opposite in the sense that it returns control of our borders, our money and our laws (with small trade related exceptions).
How is that the opposite of what was voted for exactly?
Under transition, EU law will continue in the UK (Article 127), under the jurisdiction of the ECJ (Articles 86 and 131), and new laws will be framed by the EU with no input from the UK (Article 128). Transition can be extended (from Dec 2020) indefinitely, requiring further annual payments from the UK, which will be set by the EU. (Article 132).
We would not be allowed an independent trade policy, and would not even be allowed to fish in our own seas without EU permission.
I repeat what I said a few weeks ago, I am not 100% sure what this back stop thing is.
I think it's like a kind of rush-goalie.
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 01:41 PM
The Irish should have learned in 1689 that becoming the battleground for wider Anglo-European conflict does not end well for them.
I thought *you were Irish.
Burney
03-13-2019, 02:15 PM
Yeah yeah, never mind all your "Historical note" nonsense. Have you seen the new statue of Luke Kelly?
Note there are 2, you will immediately clock the one I am referring you to.
:hehe:
:yikes: They appear to have turned him into George Berry. :hehe:
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Burney
03-13-2019, 02:16 PM
I thought *you were Irish.
My parents are. I'm not.
Under transition, EU law will continue in the UK (Article 127), under the jurisdiction of the ECJ (Articles 86 and 131), and new laws will be framed by the EU with no input from the UK (Article 128). Transition can be extended (from Dec 2020) indefinitely, requiring further annual payments from the UK, which will be set by the EU. (Article 132).
We would not be allowed an independent trade policy, and would not even be allowed to fish in our own seas without EU permission.
I'm no lawyer but I expect that selective bit of legalise refers specifically to the part of the withdrawal agreement that covers trade, and specific types of trade. The Tories have been clear and no one has challenged it, that if the backstop is invoked we do not have to pay EU fees, we have control of our borders and we can make our own laws all while having tariff free access to the common market.
The fishing bit is nonsense probably based on a perverse interpretation of the agreement. From that right wing rage the Guardian:
Fisheries
The EU has repeatedly said that it would only allow British seafood exporters tariff- and quota-free access to EU markets in exchange for a reciprocal agreement that EU fishing fleets can continue to operate in British waters.
This potentially explosive issue appears to have been kicked down the road: the withdrawal agreement essentially says only that the EU would apply tariffs on fish until a separate agreement was struck on access to EU fishing in UK waters.
eastgermanautos
03-13-2019, 02:43 PM
My parents are. I'm not.
:thumbup: .
:yikes: They appear to have turned him into George Berry. :hehe:
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Size of the one on the right. I accept el Presidente is a dwarf but still.
Burney
03-13-2019, 02:48 PM
Size of the one on the right. I accept el Presidente is a dwarf but still.
Mind you, the other one makes him look like Catweasel.
They're both pretty shít, tbh. Did you learn nothing from the terrible Phil Lynott one outside McDaid's?
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