The absolute scum who wanted us to lose, to hasten the exit of Wenger...

[AFC East]

I'm starting to see their point. We need a miracle worker to bring back hope under the Kroenke regime. Someone young, hungry and with a new vision. I don't dislike Emery, but he's never ever going to trouble the league leaders is he? He never really has unless he was the 800lb gorilla in the room.

It's not that he's going to do a terrible job (though he might), it's just that he's a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy.

[SWv2]

I'm starting to see their point. We need a miracle worker to bring back hope under the Kroenke regime. Someone young, hungry and with a new vision. I don't dislike Emery, but he's never ever going to trouble the league leaders is he? He never really has unless he was the 800lb gorilla in the room.

It's not that he's going to do a terrible job (though he might), it's just that he's a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy.

He may well be a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy but the reality is that we are a 5th place / good cup run type of club and have been more or less since the Invincibles / move to the Emirates.

Yes we flirted once or twice with the concept of a title challenge but ultimately shít our pants. Now we are light years of being realistic challengers. Is there a single Arsenal supporter who in August thinks we will challenge?

I heard the once magical Paul Merson on SSN last Friday describe Man United as being “a million points behind City and Chelsea”. Now perhaps a Freudian slip by Merse but you could see where he was coming from. On that analogy we are probably 1.5m points behind.

At least 2 maybe 3 new defenders, at least 1 new midfield player, at least 1 new wide player – all needed. Not all will or can arrive in one window, especially when the board of the football club are acting like a championship team or at best a PL side whose entire season is based around 40 points and not getting relegated.

This is a long term jobbie we are in.

Not Emery’s fault at all.

[Peter]

He may well be a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy but the reality is that we are a 5th place / good cup run type of club and have been more or less since the Invincibles / move to the Emirates.

Yes we flirted once or twice with the concept of a title challenge but ultimately shít our pants. Now we are light years of being realistic challengers. Is there a single Arsenal supporter who in August thinks we will challenge?

I heard the once magical Paul Merson on SSN last Friday describe Man United as being “a million points behind City and Chelsea”. Now perhaps a Freudian slip by Merse but you could see where he was coming from. On that analogy we are probably 1.5m points behind.

At least 2 maybe 3 new defenders, at least 1 new midfield player, at least 1 new wide player – all needed. Not all will or can arrive in one window, especially when the board of the football club are acting like a championship team or at best a PL side whose entire season is based around 40 points and not getting relegated.

This is a long term jobbie we are in.

Not Emery’s fault at all.

The biggest problem is that Spurs found a decent manager and are currently over achieving when set against financial conditions. If they were still **** we would currently be a 4th place/cup run side which we have been for more than a decade.

[redgunamo]

Yes, but what if all those new players are actually the "wrong" players yet again? Surely at some point the coach has to actually coach :shrug:



He may well be a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy but the reality is that we are a 5th place / good cup run type of club and have been more or less since the Invincibles / move to the Emirates.

Yes we flirted once or twice with the concept of a title challenge but ultimately shít our pants. Now we are light years of being realistic challengers. Is there a single Arsenal supporter who in August thinks we will challenge?

I heard the once magical Paul Merson on SSN last Friday describe Man United as being “a million points behind City and Chelsea”. Now perhaps a Freudian slip by Merse but you could see where he was coming from. On that analogy we are probably 1.5m points behind.

At least 2 maybe 3 new defenders, at least 1 new midfield player, at least 1 new wide player – all needed. Not all will or can arrive in one window, especially when the board of the football club are acting like a championship team or at best a PL side whose entire season is based around 40 points and not getting relegated.

This is a long term jobbie we are in.

Not Emery’s fault at all.

[Luis Anaconda]

Yes, but what if all those new players are actually the "wrong" players yet again? Surely at some point the coach has to actually coach :shrug:

Thank you red - a sage opinion

[IUFG]

Yes, but what if all those new players are actually the "wrong" players yet again? Surely at some point the coach has to actually coach :shrug:

Give him time to weed out and replace the powder-puff pansies from Wenger's days.
Then judge him.

in May.

[redgunamo]

Thank you red - a sage opinion

Thank you. I know my onions :cooper:

[Luis Anaconda]

Thank you. I know my onions :cooper:

I'm sure Herb will have something to say about this

[SWv2]

Yes, but what if all those new players are actually the "wrong" players yet again? Surely at some point the coach has to actually coach :shrug:

Of course he does, that at the most basic fundamental level is his job and some of these new players will be "wrong". No manager or recruitment policy at any club has ever had 100% success.


My hastily knocked out shopping list was aimed at replacing players such as Lichsteiner/Koscielny/Monreal who may not necessarily have been “wrong” but where age dictates they are replaced or perhaps a Mustafi who may in fact be wrong.

[IUFG]

Of course he does, that at the most basic fundamental level is his job and some of these new players will be "wrong". No manager or recruitment policy at any club has ever had 100% success.


My hastily knocked out shopping list was aimed at replacing players such as Lichsteiner/Koscielny/Monreal who may not necessarily have been “wrong” but where age dictates they are replaced or perhaps a Mustafi who may in fact be wrong.

Mustafi is very wrong, sw.

[AFC East]

He may well be a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy but the reality is that we are a 5th place / good cup run type of club and have been more or less since the Invincibles / move to the Emirates.

Well we were a 3rd-4th placed team for much of that period, but I'll try not to split hairs.

Is it Emery's fault? Of course not. He inherited what he inherited.

Is Emery the kind of man who can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear? Personally I see absolutely no evidence in his past, or with his limited time at Arsenal that he is.

Of course we will give him more time, but I am quite concerned that he's been brought in to keep us in 6th and make a couple of runs at the cups. I see no evidence in his past to suggest he is capable of more in a far more difficult league than he's ever managed in.

I just need to re-set my aspirations to match my expectations and all will be good.

[Rich]

He may well be a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy but the reality is that we are a 5th place / good cup run type of club and have been more or less since the Invincibles / move to the Emirates.

Yes we flirted once or twice with the concept of a title challenge but ultimately shít our pants. Now we are light years of being realistic challengers. Is there a single Arsenal supporter who in August thinks we will challenge?

I heard the once magical Paul Merson on SSN last Friday describe Man United as being “a million points behind City and Chelsea”. Now perhaps a Freudian slip by Merse but you could see where he was coming from. On that analogy we are probably 1.5m points behind.

At least 2 maybe 3 new defenders, at least 1 new midfield player, at least 1 new wide player – all needed. Not all will or can arrive in one window, especially when the board of the football club are acting like a championship team or at best a PL side whose entire season is based around 40 points and not getting relegated.

This is a long term jobbie we are in.

Not Emery’s fault at all.

An astute summary of where we find ourselves. Ultimately, this is a money game. And we have very little (comparatively speaking) than City, Liverpool, United and Chelsea. Spurs have the benefit of a fantastic young manager and a couple of fantastic players, but they are probably the team we can catch most realistically. That puts us 5th.

There is no blame to attach to anyone. Kronke is a businessman and runs a very profitable business. Good for him... Don't shout at him for that. He is offloading his business to his son so this will not change for decades.

If you're not happy with 4th-6th and a good cup run then find another team to support that does spend some money.

[7sisters]

Well we were a 3rd-4th placed team for much of that period, but I'll try not to split hairs.

Is it Emery's fault? Of course not. He inherited what he inherited.

Is Emery the kind of man who can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear? Personally I see absolutely no evidence in his past, or with his limited time at Arsenal that he is.

Of course we will give him more time, but I am quite concerned that he's been brought in to keep us in 6th and make a couple of runs at the cups. I see no evidence in his past to suggest he is capable of more in a far more difficult league than he's ever managed in.

I just need to re-set my aspirations to match my expectations and all will be good.

It’s now official. Carragher has piled in and confirmed this sh*tshower is down to Wenger, Ozil and the Board.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/01/18/unai-emery-not-fault-arsenal-shambles-blame-board-wenger-ozil/

[redgunamo]

Mustafi is very wrong, sw.

:shrug: He's won the World Cup. If Pep had paid more than thirty million for him, he'd have won the Premier League too. After all, Manchester City's backs are mostly all "wrong" as well :shrug:

And again :shrug:

[Sir C]

I'm sure Herb will have something to say about this

Is this matter entirely kosher?

[SWv2]

:shrug: He's won the World Cup. If Pep had paid more than thirty million for him, he'd have won the Premier League too. After all, Manchester City's backs are mostly all "wrong" as well :shrug:

And again :shrug:

Well perhaps one could argue that his full backs are but then the modern full back is not programmed to be a defender first and foremost, and in the attacking sense both Walker and Mendy are fierce weapons.

Centrally both Stones and Laporte are of the very highest level in the PL.


Mustafi is more Otamendi than either of the above.

[SWv2]

Well we were a 3rd-4th placed team for much of that period, but I'll try not to split hairs.

Is it Emery's fault? Of course not. He inherited what he inherited.

Is Emery the kind of man who can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear? Personally I see absolutely no evidence in his past, or with his limited time at Arsenal that he is.

Of course we will give him more time, but I am quite concerned that he's been brought in to keep us in 6th and make a couple of runs at the cups. I see no evidence in his past to suggest he is capable of more in a far more difficult league than he's ever managed in.

I just need to re-set my aspirations to match my expectations and all will be good.

This my friend is key to the next few years I suggest.

[eastgermanautos]

I'm starting to see their point. We need a miracle worker to bring back hope under the Kroenke regime. Someone young, hungry and with a new vision. I don't dislike Emery, but he's never ever going to trouble the league leaders is he? He never really has unless he was the 800lb gorilla in the room.

It's not that he's going to do a terrible job (though he might), it's just that he's a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy.

Come come. He's awesome and far better than we deserve. A real miracle that we got him! Hadn't you better worry about your Patriots instead? Mahomes is coming to whup yo a$$!

[7sisters]

Well perhaps one could argue that his full backs are but then the modern full back is not programmed to be a defender first and foremost, and in the attacking sense both Walker and Mendy are fierce weapons.

Centrally both Stones and Laporte are of the very highest level in the PL.


Mustafi is more Otamendi than either of the above.

Mustafi, is a big useless c*nt, is what he is.
Most of the time it’s a bonus if he can simply remain in an upright position during the 90 minutes.

[SWv2]

Mustafi, is a big useless c*nt, is what he is.
Most of the time it’s a bonus if he can simply remain in an upright position during the 90 minutes.

Well when you put it like that. :hehe:

I am simply a more generous nature than some.

[Burney]

This my friend is key to the next few years I suggest.

I'd agree with this. For my part, I think the next few years will make us reassess the last few years of AW's reign much more positively.

Without him, we are going to find our natural level and it won't be fun.

[7sisters]

I'd agree with this. For my part, I think the next few years will make us reassess the last few years of AW's reign much more positively.

Without him, we are going to find our natural level and it won't be fun.

Be fair. We had an incredible run under AW. Once in a generation for a club like ours and at least we had the privilege to have witnessed it.
Emery, or anyone else will likely fall short. United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, all capable of spending vastly more on players, and God knows how many managers Liverpool have gone through since they last won the title; proof enough that we should prepare ourselves for a long spell outside of the top 4.

Anything else, really is a huge bonus.

[redgunamo]

Well perhaps one could argue that his full backs are but then the modern full back is not programmed to be a defender first and foremost, and in the attacking sense both Walker and Mendy are fierce weapons.

Centrally both Stones and Laporte are of the very highest level in the PL.


Mustafi is more Otamendi than either of the above.

Right. Point is, maybe they wouldn't be if they played for us?

[AFC East]

Come come. He's awesome and far better than we deserve. A real miracle that we got him! Hadn't you better worry about your Patriots instead? Mahomes is coming to whup yo a$$!

He’s coming to learn a very harsh lesson and to get an extra couple of weeks holiday.

[redgunamo]

I'd agree with this. For my part, I think the next few years will make us reassess the last few years of AW's reign much more positively.

Without him, we are going to find our natural level and it won't be fun.

I thought this was our natural level? Otherwise, what's all the fuss about?

[Burney]

Be fair. We had an incredible run under AW. Once in a generation for a club like ours and at least we had the privilege to have witnessed it.
Emery, or anyone else will likely fall short. United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, all capable of spending vastly more on players, and God knows how many managers Liverpool have gone through since they last won the title; proof enough that we should prepare ourselves for a long spell outside of the top 4.

Anything else, really is a huge bonus.

I'm not denying any of that. I just think that in a few years' time, we'll see that AW was doing everything possible and more with not much and all those external factors weighed against him. The line that he was holding us back will be shown up for the unmitigated balls it is.

[AFC East]

I'm not denying any of that. I just think that in a few years' time, we'll see that AW was doing everything possible and more with not much and all those external factors weighed against him. The line that he was holding us back will be shown up for the unmitigated balls it is.

Indeed, a fair observation.

And thanks to SW2. I feel better about the whole thing now that I expect nothing.

[redgunamo]

I'm starting to see their point. We need a miracle worker to bring back hope under the Kroenke regime. Someone young, hungry and with a new vision. I don't dislike Emery, but he's never ever going to trouble the league leaders is he? He never really has unless he was the 800lb gorilla in the room.

It's not that he's going to do a terrible job (though he might), it's just that he's a 5th placed/good cup run kind of guy.

Yes. Many of those absolute scum were actually some of Wenger's fondest admirers, as I recall it. Apparently the idea was to teach the WOB a lesson :homer: