So it's 14 units a week now is it?

[WES]

Used to be 28 as I recall. Then it magically went to 21. Now it's down to 14. How long to 7?

Amazing that the human body - a product of arbitrary genetic change and the evolutionary process - should develop into something which experiences the negative impact of another substance linearly with the number 7.

That, or more likely, the whole thing is a load of unscientific nonsense promoted by a group of people who seem to think it is their job to tell us how to live, as opposed to helping us live longer.

Tossers. And to make it worse, they now have a program rattling on about it that features another tosser.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45258081

[Sir C]

Used to be 28 as I recall. Then it magically went to 21. Now it's down to 14. How long to 7?

Amazing that the human body - a product of arbitrary genetic change and the evolutionary process - should develop into something which experiences the negative impact of another substance linearly with the number 7.

That, or more likely, the whole thing is a load of unscientific nonsense promoted by a group of people who seem to think it is their job to tell us how to live, as opposed to helping us live longer.

Tossers. And to make it worse, they now have a program rattling on about it that features another tosser.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45258081

14 units is about a litre of wine.

A litre of wine. One and a quarter bottles of wine. Per week. :hehe:

Seriously, these people are mental. Surely the human body cannot survive on one litre per week?

[Burney]

Used to be 28 as I recall. Then it magically went to 21. Now it's down to 14. How long to 7?

Amazing that the human body - a product of arbitrary genetic change and the evolutionary process - should develop into something which experiences the negative impact of another substance linearly with the number 7.

That, or more likely, the whole thing is a load of unscientific nonsense promoted by a group of people who seem to think it is their job to tell us how to live, as opposed to helping us live longer.

Tossers. And to make it worse, they now have a program rattling on about it that features another tosser.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45258081

When pressed, they are forced to admit the limits are wholly arbitrary and largely meaningless. Different countries have different limits, ffs! Are we really supposed to believe that a Spaniard can resist the negative medical effects of alcohol nearly three times as well as a Briton? Because that's what their recommendations would appear to suggest.

It's total balls. 14 units wouldn't fill a hollow tooth, ffs.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jan/08/how-do-the-uks-new-alcohol-guidelines-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-worlds

[Burney]

14 units is about a litre of wine.

A litre of wine. One and a quarter bottles of wine. Per week. :hehe:

Seriously, these people are mental. Surely the human body cannot survive on one litre per week?

:hehe: It might do for a decent lunch if one had to go back to the office afterwards.

[WES]

When pressed, they are forced to admit the limits are wholly arbitrary and largely meaningless. Different countries have different limits, ffs! Are we really supposed to believe that a Spaniard can resist the negative medical effects of alcohol nearly three times as well as a Briton? Because that's what their recommendations would appear to suggest.

It's total balls. 14 units wouldn't fill a hollow tooth, ffs.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jan/08/how-do-the-uks-new-alcohol-guidelines-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-worlds

I asked my GP about it once and he admitted that the entire thing was nonsense. Note only does it not consider the person's size or general health and fitness, but the limit is the point at which they believe you can begin to detect any impact at all. If that impact is tiny, you could extrapolate out to 60 to 70 units a week and find that the impact is still miniscule.

Admittedly, I say this on the back of a week where I achieved an historic level of sobriety only to discover that I totaled 36 units. :-\

[Peter]

I asked my GP about it once and he admitted that the entire thing was nonsense. Note only does it not consider the person's size or general health and fitness, but the limit is the point at which they believe you can begin to detect any impact at all. If that impact is tiny, you could extrapolate out to 60 to 70 units a week and find that the impact is still miniscule.

Admittedly, I say this on the back of a week where I achieved an historic level of sobriety only to discover that I totaled 36 units. :-\

I had 50 pints of Guinness over 5 and a half nights in Malaysia. I feel fine.

Its all *******s.

[Peter]

When pressed, they are forced to admit the limits are wholly arbitrary and largely meaningless. Different countries have different limits, ffs! Are we really supposed to believe that a Spaniard can resist the negative medical effects of alcohol nearly three times as well as a Briton? Because that's what their recommendations would appear to suggest.

It's total balls. 14 units wouldn't fill a hollow tooth, ffs.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jan/08/how-do-the-uks-new-alcohol-guidelines-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-worlds

Aha! This is purely about equality. Its outrageous that men were 'allowed' to drink more than women so they have brought the two into line.

It's a women's issue.

[Burney]

I had 50 pints of Guinness over 5 and a half nights in Malaysia. I feel fine.

Its all *******s.

How were your bowel movements?

[Burney]

Aha! This is purely about equality. Its outrageous that men were 'allowed' to drink more than women so they have brought the two into line.

It's a women's issue.

But women don't have pen1ses, p. I think this means they have less room to store it in.

[Peter]

How were your bowel movements?

No particular problems, although I did have an issue with an omelette on day two. That quickly passed.

I find Guinness pretty gentle on the stomach and the head. The hangovers are pretty mild.

I'll bet it did. :-(


I agree about Guinness. It's always been as mother's milk to me, though.

[Peter]

But women don't have pen1ses, p. I think this means they have less room to store it in.

THey seldom buy a drink. I always assumed this was why their recommended consumption was lower. Also, they tend to be a nuisance when drunk whereas men are generally a laugh (apart from those who start fights)

[Sir C]

How were your bowel movements?

Don't you find that an excess of Guinness results in a firm, black stool with a fine, honest, earthy aroma?

[Rich]

I asked my GP about it once and he admitted that the entire thing was nonsense. Note only does it not consider the person's size or general health and fitness, but the limit is the point at which they believe you can begin to detect any impact at all. If that impact is tiny, you could extrapolate out to 60 to 70 units a week and find that the impact is still miniscule.

Admittedly, I say this on the back of a week where I achieved an historic level of sobriety only to discover that I totaled 36 units. :-\

Surely the finger-wagging is an example of intolerance which is, in turn, a hate crime (punishable with imprisonment, btw). If I wagged my finger at a demi-boy on the street then I would be arrested immediately for doing a hate crime. Why no difference here?

[Burney]

THey seldom buy a drink. I always assumed this was why their recommended consumption was lower. Also, they tend to be a nuisance when drunk whereas men are generally a laugh (apart from those who start fights)

They do tend to be a nuisance, don't they? Not all of them, but as a rule. If you can't/don't want to have sex with them (or vice versa, he adds hurriedly), drunk women really aren't a lot of use, it must be said.

[Burney]

Surely the finger-wagging is an example of intolerance which is, in turn, a hate crime (punishable with imprisonment, btw). If I wagged my finger at a demi-boy on the street then I would be arrested immediately for doing a hate crime. Why no difference here?

'Demi-boy'? I am befuddled by this terminology, r.

[Burney]

Don't you find that an excess of Guinness results in a firm, black stool with a fine, honest, earthy aroma?

It's the blackness I find alarming.

An excess of lager is much harder on the bowels than either bitter or Guinness. I blame the fizziness.

I do remember cider being a bit dangerous, mind.

[Rich]

'Demi-boy'? I am befuddled by this terminology, r.

A demiboy is a gender identity describing someone who partially, but not wholly, identifies as a man, boy or otherwise masculine, whatever their assigned gender at birth. They may or may not identify as another gender in addition to feeling partially a boy or man.

[Burney]

A demiboy is a gender identity describing someone who partially, but not wholly, identifies as a man, boy or otherwise masculine, whatever their assigned gender at birth. They may or may not identify as another gender in addition to feeling partially a boy or man.

I would feel no compunction about wagging my finger at such a person, r. Indeed, a good kick up the hole is what they need.

[Peter]

They do tend to be a nuisance, don't they? Not all of them, but as a rule. If you can't/don't want to have sex with them (or vice versa, he adds hurriedly), drunk women really aren't a lot of use, it must be said.

They get loud and tend to start using the word 'mate' which never seems to sound right coming from a woman.

[Peter]

Don't you find that an excess of Guinness results in a firm, black stool with a fine, honest, earthy aroma?

Not really. I think this Guinness was fairly weak actually. I know for a fact I had 11 pints one evening and I wasn't massively plastered- in England 11 pints would floor me.

[Burney]

They get loud and tend to start using the word 'mate' which never seems to sound right coming from a woman.

They also laugh at the wrong things due to not having proper senses of humour. They then become puzzled and cross when you fail to find the same thing funny.

I'll be honest: I'm an old-fashioned sexist who thinks men should get beastly drunk, but women should restrict themselves to no more than a couple of small glasses of wine and then drive a chap home.

[Sir C]

They also laugh at the wrong things due to not having proper senses of humour. They then become puzzled and cross when you fail to find the same thing funny.

I'll be honest: I'm an old-fashioned sexist who thinks men should get beastly drunk, but women should restrict themselves to no more than a couple of small glasses of wine and then drive a chap home.

I like drunken women. You can do all the degrading stuff and they don't remember.

You can do the degrading stuff to sober women too, but then you have to kill them, don't you?

[Burney]

I like drunken women. You can do all the degrading stuff and they don't remember.

You can do the degrading stuff to sober women too, but then you have to kill them, don't you?

Oh, I don't rule female drunkenness out entirely. It absolutely has its uses. But, those aside, it's generally a bad thing.

[Peter]

They also laugh at the wrong things due to not having proper senses of humour. They then become puzzled and cross when you fail to find the same thing funny.

I'll be honest: I'm an old-fashioned sexist who thinks men should get beastly drunk, but women should restrict themselves to no more than a couple of small glasses of wine and then drive a chap home.

THey certainly become cross over virtually nothing. I like to have a conversation when I drink and, let's face it, you cant really have one of those with a woman at the best of times, let alone when she is a bit drunk.

[eastgermanautos]

I had 50 pints of Guinness over 5 and a half nights in Malaysia. I feel fine.

Its all *******s.

Why would you be drinking Guinness in Malaysia? Go with a lighter beverage, and gin and tonics in particular. Say I.

[Burney]

THey certainly become cross over virtually nothing. I like to have a conversation when I drink and, let's face it, you cant really have one of those with a woman at the best of times, let alone when she is a bit drunk.

I think their brains become confused, to be honest. The alcohol causes their minds to start firing multiple thoughts and ideas around their heads at the same time and they just can't cope. We're used to it, so it doesn't affect us in the same way.

[IUFG]

Used to be 28 as I recall. Then it magically went to 21. Now it's down to 14. How long to 7?

Bóllocks to that, imo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30500372

Apparently - "You drink more heavily than people from Belarus, the heaviest-drinking country in the world"

[Burney]

Bóllocks to that, imo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30500372

Apparently - "You drink more heavily than people from Belarus, the heaviest-drinking country in the world"

This would explain a lot about Alexander Hleb.

[WES]

Bóllocks to that, imo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30500372

Apparently - "You drink more heavily than people from Belarus, the heaviest-drinking country in the world"

I got that as well and yet in an attempt to lose some weight and generally be healthier I had a very quiet week alcohol wise. Nothing at all to drink Mon-Thu, 3 pints at lunch followed by a pint down my local and two G&Ts at home on Friday, 5 pints over the course of the day and a glass of wine with dinner on Saturday and then 2 pints in the afternoon followed by 4 glasses of wine with dinner on Sunday.

How can that possibly put me worse than Belarus? :-(

[WES]

Bóllocks to that, imo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30500372

Apparently - "You drink more heavily than people from Belarus, the heaviest-drinking country in the world"

I just put in 4 pints of beer and 6 glasses of wine per week, that's it. And it came back telling me I drink far more than most people in the UK. :hehe:

What a complete load of utter nonsense. BBC can f*ck right off with that sh1t.

[Burney]

I got that as well and yet in an attempt to lose some weight and generally be healthier I had a very quiet week alcohol wise. Nothing at all to drink Mon-Thu, 3 pints at lunch followed by a pint down my local and two G&Ts at home on Friday, 5 pints over the course of the day and a glass of wine with dinner on Saturday and then 2 pints in the afternoon followed by 4 glasses of wine with dinner on Sunday.

How can that possibly put me worse than Belarus? :-(

'A glass of wine with dinner'? Do you not find all that food rather dry without a bit more of a drink than that?

[PSRB]

I just put in 4 pints of beer and 6 glasses of wine per week, that's it. And it came back telling me I drink far more than most people in the UK. :hehe:

What a complete load of utter nonsense. BBC can f*ck right off with that sh1t.

Made me chuckle the other day, some survey about the best and worst motorways (worst were unsurprisingly M25 & M6), they then had the gall to suggest that the number 1 reason for people disliking them was "Not enough speed cameras".......said no one, ever

[WES]

'A glass of wine with dinner'? Do you not find all that food rather dry without a bit more of a drink than that?

It was a rather large glass and no, not really. I had had enough alcohol at that point. One large glass of white with my arroz negro was more than enough.

[Burney]

I just put in 4 pints of beer and 6 glasses of wine per week, that's it. And it came back telling me I drink far more than most people in the UK. :hehe:

What a complete load of utter nonsense. BBC can f*ck right off with that sh1t.

I blame the muslims. They're bringing everyone's average consumption down and giving doctors completely the wrong idea.

[IUFG]

I blame the muslims. They're bringing everyone's average consumption down and giving doctors completely the wrong idea.

bóllocks innit.

your average bloke probably does a weeks worth of units by 9pm on a Friday night.

[PSRB]

I blame the muslims. They're bringing everyone's average consumption down and giving doctors completely the wrong idea.

I wonder what the average life expectancy of a UK muslim vs a non-muslim is?

[Burney]

I wonder what the average life expectancy of a UK muslim vs a non-muslim is?

Well you have to factor in the much higher levels of inbreeding in muslims, which lead to high rates of infant mortality and general spastication. Also, they are much more likely to blow themselves up.

[WES]

I wonder what the average life expectancy of a UK muslim vs a non-muslim is?

True. Theirs must be dragged down a bit by the blowy up people and the gang rapists that spend 10+ years in jail surely. :rubchin:

[Peter]

I blame the muslims. They're bringing everyone's average consumption down and giving doctors completely the wrong idea.

Oh *******s. 90% of the Muslims I know drink. One of the worst drunks I have ever known considered himself a good Muslim in every other respect.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

It's total balls. 14 units wouldn't fill a hollow tooth, ffs.



That is, what, 4 pints of 5% beer?

[7sisters]

Don't you find that an excess of Guinness results in a firm, black stool with a fine, honest, earthy aroma?

you cannot get away without mentioning the bad guts and stomach cramps, when going beyond the threshold of a few pints.
Of course, it's likely that P was weaned on the stuff and has built up a commendable resistance. The rest of us who just partake occasionally though. :toilet:

[PSRB]

Oh *******s. 90% of the Muslims I know drink. One of the worst drunks I have ever known considered himself a good Muslim in every other respect.

How many do you know? I reckon I know 3......and yes, they all drink

[Luis Anaconda]

Used to be 28 as I recall. Then it magically went to 21. Now it's down to 14. How long to 7?

Amazing that the human body - a product of arbitrary genetic change and the evolutionary process - should develop into something which experiences the negative impact of another substance linearly with the number 7.

That, or more likely, the whole thing is a load of unscientific nonsense promoted by a group of people who seem to think it is their job to tell us how to live, as opposed to helping us live longer.

Tossers. And to make it worse, they now have a program rattling on about it that features another tosser.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45258081
Did you read the rather long interview with him in The Times - considering the writer made a great point of Chiles sitting there with a water, it was a rambling load of drunken *******s really (for which the writer and editors should take more responsibility than Chiles it must be said)

[WES]

Did you read the rather long interview with him in The Times - considering the writer made a great point of Chiles sitting there with a water, it was a rambling load of drunken *******s really (for which the writer and editors should take more responsibility than Chiles it must be said)

Yes, it seemed to go around in circles and I was left wondering whether he had done it p1ssed.

Typical journo, really. Mostly p1ssed. I only know two people in the journalism/publishing game.

You and Burney. :rubchin:

[PSRB]

Yes, it seemed to go around in circles and I was left wondering whether he had done it p1ssed.

Typical journo, really. Mostly p1ssed. I only know two people in the journalism/publishing game.

You and Burney. :rubchin:

There's a reason why newspaper staff get an official 1.5 hour lunch break, you know.

[WES]

There's a reason why newspaper staff get an official 1.5 hour lunch break, you know.

:hehe: I work three days a week just south of Fleet St, across from Blackfriars. In addition to a plethora of pubs in that part of Fleet St, there is a church there called the Journalists' Church.

I'm guessing the sins confessed to there are largely alcohol related. :nod:

[Luis Anaconda]

There's a reason why newspaper staff get an official 1.5 hour lunch break, you know.

:( Those were the days*

https://pressgazette.co.uk/the-day-the-fleet-street-lunch-died/

*technically before my time

[PSRB]

:( Those were the days*

https://pressgazette.co.uk/the-day-the-fleet-street-lunch-died/

*technically before my time

:hehe: It did re-emerge after Kelvin left.....as I'm sure you well know

[Ash]

:hehe: I work three days a week just south of Fleet St, across from Blackfriars. In addition to a plethora of pubs in that part of Fleet St, there is a church there called the Journalists' Church.

I'm guessing the sins confessed to there are largely alcohol related. :nod:

One might like to think there might just be the tiniest twinge of guilt in some quarters around telling the truth.

But probably not.

[WES]

One might like to think there might just be the tiniest twinge of guilt in some quarters around telling the truth.

But probably not.

It's all about sales, Ash.

An interesting cultural distinction between our Yankee friends and the Brits. As freedom of the press is such a strong part of their cultural heritage there is a certain duty/honour with regard to accurate reporting that runs through the legitimate media sources i.e. not Fox news, that doesn't seem to exist in the same extent in the UK.

Certainly when I lived there it was the ultimate sin for a journo to publish something that proved to be untrue. Rather different in the UK, to say the least.

[Ash]

It's all about sales, Ash.

An interesting cultural distinction between our Yankee friends and the Brits. As freedom of the press is such a strong part of their cultural heritage there is a certain duty/honour with regard to accurate reporting that runs through the legitimate media sources i.e. not Fox news, that doesn't seem to exist in the same extent in the UK.

Certainly when I lived there it was the ultimate sin for a journo to publish something that proved to be untrue. Rather different in the UK, to say the least.

I don't have the time to discuss this in any detail but I profoundly disagree. US media is full of unverified claims presented as truths, and errors of omission.

[IUFG]

I don't have the time to discuss this in any detail but I profoundly disagree. US media is full of unverified claims presented as truths, and errors of omission.

speaking of journalism

https://twitter.com/CrapLocalNews/status/1032160601341087744

:hehe:

[Burney]

It's all about sales, Ash.

An interesting cultural distinction between our Yankee friends and the Brits. As freedom of the press is such a strong part of their cultural heritage there is a certain duty/honour with regard to accurate reporting that runs through the legitimate media sources i.e. not Fox news, that doesn't seem to exist in the same extent in the UK.

Certainly when I lived there it was the ultimate sin for a journo to publish something that proved to be untrue. Rather different in the UK, to say the least.

Yeah, that culture of petty, obsessive (and often pretty worthless) fact-checking has pretty much gone down the crapper in the US now. There just aren't the sales to support the staff to do it anymore.

You also have to bear in mind that the UK has the oldest free press in the world. Its roots are in pretty freewheeling scandal sheets and politically-partial muckraking. It doesn't have the po-faced stick up its arse the US press has. The US Press thinks it has some sort of crusading duty to eternal truth. The UK press knows it's an entertainment and tomorrow's fish wrapper.

The other interesting anomaly is that the UK has much, much stricter libel laws than exist in the US and yet the US is much more obsessed with being tediously factual. It therefore tends to see them as its guidelines rather than any more theoretical ideas about objective truth. The truth therefore tends to be not necessarily what strictly happened, but what you can get away with without m'learned friends getting involved.

[Burney]

I don't have the time to discuss this in any detail but I profoundly disagree. US media is full of unverified claims presented as truths, and errors of omission.

Oh, yes. The bias and dishonesty are just as manifest. They're just accompanied by a patina of self-satisfied sanctimony and - as a result - produce some of the dreariest newspapers on earth.

[Luis Anaconda]

:hehe: It did re-emerge after Kelvin left.....as I'm sure you well know

:nod: And having worked with his daughter I can assure you that such a puritan opinion on alcohol does not run in the family

[Sir C]

Oh, yes. The bias and dishonesty are just as manifest. They're just accompanied by a patina of self-satisfied sanctimony and - as a result - produce some of the dreariest newspapers on earth.

Christ yes. The US is pretty much the only place on earth that one cannot greet sunday morning with an eagerness for the papers, for they are inevitably as dull as ditchwater. Christ, the Straits Times is a laugh a minute compared to the Washington Post.

[Luis Anaconda]

Oh, yes. The bias and dishonesty are just as manifest. They're just accompanied by a patina of self-satisfied sanctimony and - as a result - produce some of the dreariest newspapers on earth.

Indeed - even the Telegraph has more cheery bits in it than your average US broadsheet. (Well, once a year when A Level results are out and they can put attractive teenagers on the front page)

[Sir C]

Indeed - even the Telegraph has more cheery bits in it than your average US broadsheet. (Well, once a year when A Level results are out and they can put attractive teenagers on the front page)

The Telegraph often has glamorous ladies on the front page. This infuriates my mother-in-law, who refers to them as 'those bástards', for some reason.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

Yeah, that culture of petty, obsessive (and often pretty worthless) fact-checking

have the po-faced stick up its arse the US press has

crusading duty to eternal truth

obsessed with being tediously factual



this post and yet no-one spits nails quite so vehemently when Comarde Jez indulges in a leetle bit air-brushing on his past transgressions.

What kind of monster are you b?

[Burney]

Christ yes. The US is pretty much the only place on earth that one cannot greet sunday morning with an eagerness for the papers, for they are inevitably as dull as ditchwater. Christ, the Straits Times is a laugh a minute compared to the Washington Post.

I used to work with a crazed Scot who had worked on the Straits Times - even managing to cover the Vietnam War gig for them at one point. He liked a drink (obviously) and had some fine stories of being 'in the sh1t'.

[Burney]

Indeed - even the Telegraph has more cheery bits in it than your average US broadsheet. (Well, once a year when A Level results are out and they can put attractive teenagers on the front page)

The Telegraph's page three always used to have the most sordid details of the latest criminal or high-profile divorce cases. Doubtless that tedious, joyless old tit Charles Moore killed off that tradition.

[Burney]

The Telegraph often has glamorous ladies on the front page. This infuriates my mother-in-law, who refers to them as 'those bástards', for some reason.

Is she referring to the Telegraph or the glamorous ladies?

[Sir C]

I used to work with a crazed Scot who had worked on the Straits Times - even managing to cover the Vietnam War gig for them at one point. He liked a drink (obviously) and had some fine stories of being 'in the sh1t'.

Marvellous. He sounds like a Le Carré character. I'm mad for those 60s and 70s war correspondants and I tick off FCCs I have drank in. So far I have Bangkok, Siem Reap, Phnom Penh, Hong Kong and New Delhi. Some of them have been modernised but you can still smell the fear if you sniff hard enough (drink enough scotch).

[barrybueno]

Used to be 28 as I recall. Then it magically went to 21. Now it's down to 14. How long to 7?

Amazing that the human body - a product of arbitrary genetic change and the evolutionary process - should develop into something which experiences the negative impact of another substance linearly with the number 7.

That, or more likely, the whole thing is a load of unscientific nonsense promoted by a group of people who seem to think it is their job to tell us how to live, as opposed to helping us live longer.

Tossers. And to make it worse, they now have a program rattling on about it that features another tosser.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45258081

Fits nicely with a per day amount dunnit. I think a Stella is 4 units :hehe: