Oh, shít! Labour’s finally done something intelligent.

[Burney]

This will reconnect big time with northern Leave voters.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html%3famp

Meanwhile, that thick cûnt May has taken over negotiations so she can go to Brussels and bend over even further for Juncker, Barnier et al - which will go down like a cup of cold sick with ALL Leave voters,

Brace for impact, boys! Uncle Jez is heading for Number 10 at this rate.

[Peter]

This will reconnect big time with northern Leave voters.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html%3famp

Meanwhile, that thick cûnt May has taken over negotiations so she can go to Brussels and bend over even further for Juncker, Barnier et al - which will go down like a cup of cold sick with ALL Leave voters,

Brace for impact, boys! Uncle Jez is heading for Number 10 at this rate.

Someone is going to mention being the 'workshop of the world' arent they.....

[Burney]

Someone is going to mention being the 'workshop of the world' arent they.....

Oh, probably. Jezza’s finally learned something from The Donald, it seems.

[Peter]

Oh, probably. Jezza’s finally learned something from The Donald, it seems.

Its fascinating, all this talk of tariffs and trade deals. Decades of free trade were supposed to have pacified the world, increased consumer choice and embraced the principle of competition in business.

Unfortunately, it has also crippled industries in the developed world while rewarding those who pay grotesque wages in terrible conditions in the ****holes of the world.

If we stop exploiting people isn't everything going to get more expensive, including food? THis might help solve the obesity crisis as well.


Trump is a bit of a visionary really.....

[Burney]

Its fascinating, all this talk of tariffs and trade deals. Decades of free trade were supposed to have pacified the world, increased consumer choice and embraced the principle of competition in business.

Unfortunately, it has also crippled industries in the developed world while rewarding those who pay grotesque wages in terrible conditions in the ****holes of the world.

If we stop exploiting people isn't everything going to get more expensive, including food? THis might help solve the obesity crisis as well.


Trump is a bit of a visionary really.....

The problem with that interpretation is that what you call ‘exploitation’ has in fact hugely enriched some of the poorest on the planet, lifting vast numbers out of poverty in an incredibly short space of time. Now the flip side of that is that first world economies have to compete on a more level playing field in which they have to provide high-value labour the rest of the world can’t offer. Just being a worker in a first world world country isn’t enough. Inevitably, that process has casualties as large-scale, low-value manufacturing becomes increasingly unsustainable at first world wages and moves to lower-wage economies. Unfortunately, however, our educational systems are still predicated on feeding an economy that simply isn’t there any more. This ought to be addressed urgently, but won’t be because there aren’t any votes in it.

However, the real irony here is that free market, global capitalism has done far more to spread wealth globally and raise the poorest out of poverty than socialism, protectionism and closed markets ever have or will.

[IUFG]

Its fascinating, all this talk of tariffs and trade deals. Decades of free trade were supposed to have pacified the world, increased consumer choice and embraced the principle of competition in business.

Unfortunately, it has also crippled industries in the developed world while rewarding those who pay grotesque wages in terrible conditions in the ****holes of the world.

If we stop exploiting people isn't everything going to get more expensive, including food? THis might help solve the obesity crisis as well.


Trump is a bit of a visionary really.....

What the global market? the flipped capitalist paradigm of everything and everywhere being 'equal'?

With regards food...it usually has to be serviced by the local market. Yes, there is international trading of commodity items but food us usually packaged and / or produced in the country of consumption. Ambient and frozen food being a slight exception.

the national minimum / living wage rising way faster than CPI/RPI puts massive pressure on suppliers to the major supermarkets as they cannot pass on inflationary costs.

So food doesn't get more expensive, the costs are absorbed before the retailer; or the retailers merge / partnership to force even more pressure on suppliers (Sainburys/Asda and Tesco/Carrefour).

So the suppliers source as much machinery and other equipment as they can from the ****holes of the world.

So, no, we'll all stay slightly towards or just beyond the upper end of the BMI chart...

[eastgermanautos]

This will reconnect big time with northern Leave voters.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html%3famp

Meanwhile, that thick cûnt May has taken over negotiations so she can go to Brussels and bend over even further for Juncker, Barnier et al - which will go down like a cup of cold sick with ALL Leave voters,

Brace for impact, boys! Uncle Jez is heading for Number 10 at this rate.

Don't be talkin sh!t about May! Anybody wants to say something smart in re May, they gonna have to deal with me.

[redgunamo]

What the global market? the flipped capitalist paradigm of everything and everywhere being 'equal'?

With regards food...it usually has to be serviced by the local market. Yes, there is international trading of commodity items but food us usually packaged and / or produced in the country of consumption. Ambient and frozen food being a slight exception.

the national minimum / living wage rising way faster than CPI/RPI puts massive pressure on suppliers to the major supermarkets as they cannot pass on inflationary costs.

So food doesn't get more expensive, the costs are absorbed before the retailer; or the retailers merge / partnership to force even more pressure on suppliers (Sainburys/Asda and Tesco/Carrefour).

So the suppliers source as much machinery and other equipment as they can from the ****holes of the world.

So, no, we'll all stay slightly towards or just beyond the upper end of the BMI chart...

What's "Ambient" food, I :-(

[Monty92]

Oh, probably. Jezza’s finally learned something from The Donald, it seems.

"Finally"? Jezza has been parroting Trump's"rigged system" line since I can remember.

[Burney]

"Finally"? Jezza has been parroting the "rigged system" line since The Donald was elected.

Yes, but he’s grasped the nettle and offered working class Leave voters an ‘embrace Brexit’ narrative. That’s a game-changer.

[IUFG]

What's "Ambient" food, I :-(

anything that doesn't need to be kept chilled or frozen, r.

a tin of beans or packet of biscuits, for example.

[Peter]

The problem with that interpretation is that what you call ‘exploitation’ has in fact hugely enriched some of the poorest on the planet, lifting vast numbers out of poverty in an incredibly short space of time. Now the flip side of that is that first world economies have to compete on a more level playing field in which they have to provide high-value labour the rest of the world can’t offer. Just being a worker in a first world world country isn’t enough. Inevitably, that process has casualties as large-scale, low-value manufacturing becomes increasingly unsustainable at first world wages and moves to lower-wage economies. Unfortunately, however, our educational systems are still predicated on feeding an economy that simply isn’t there any more. This ought to be addressed urgently, but won’t be because there aren’t any votes in it.

However, the real irony here is that free market, global capitalism has done far more to spread wealth globally and raise the poorest out of poverty than socialism, protectionism and closed markets ever have or will.

Yet you celebrate Trump who is championing moving away from this and towards old school protectionist tariffs?

I spend a fair bit of time in some of the **** holes where these jobs have gone and there is very little evidence of millions being lifted out of poverty. THere is plenty of evidence of greater investment in infrastructure and larger numbers of individuals of obscene wealth.

[Burney]

What's "Ambient" food, I :-(

I think that’s another word for ‘fresh’, r.

Could be wrong, though.

[Peter]

What the global market? the flipped capitalist paradigm of everything and everywhere being 'equal'?

With regards food...it usually has to be serviced by the local market. Yes, there is international trading of commodity items but food us usually packaged and / or produced in the country of consumption. Ambient and frozen food being a slight exception.

the national minimum / living wage rising way faster than CPI/RPI puts massive pressure on suppliers to the major supermarkets as they cannot pass on inflationary costs.

So food doesn't get more expensive, the costs are absorbed before the retailer; or the retailers merge / partnership to force even more pressure on suppliers (Sainburys/Asda and Tesco/Carrefour).

So the suppliers source as much machinery and other equipment as they can from the ****holes of the world.

So, no, we'll all stay slightly towards or just beyond the upper end of the BMI chart...

Oh well. It was just a thought....

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

What the global market? the flipped capitalist paradigm of everything and everywhere being 'equal'?

With regards food...it usually has to be serviced by the local market. Yes, there is international trading of commodity items but food us usually packaged and / or produced in the country of consumption. Ambient and frozen food being a slight exception.

the national minimum / living wage rising way faster than CPI/RPI puts massive pressure on suppliers to the major supermarkets as they cannot pass on inflationary costs.

So food doesn't get more expensive, the costs are absorbed before the retailer; or the retailers merge / partnership to force even more pressure on suppliers (Sainburys/Asda and Tesco/Carrefour).

So the suppliers source as much machinery and other equipment as they can from the ****holes of the world.

So, no, we'll all stay slightly towards or just beyond the upper end of the BMI chart...

Do what?

You do know that we've been a net importer of food for 200 years, don't you? And about how the Corn Law repeals were acceptance of this even though it went against the interests of Tory landowners.

Next you'll be telling me most of us still live in the countryside as opposed to cities.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Yet you celebrate Trump who is championing moving away from this and towards old school protectionist tariffs?

I spend a fair bit of time in some of the **** holes where these jobs have gone and there is very little evidence of millions being lifted out of poverty. THere is plenty of evidence of greater investment in infrastructure and larger numbers of individuals of obscene wealth.

And I've been going to the same places in India for 25 years and have seen the growth of a large middle class on a scale I would have found unimaginable in 1994.

I'm afraid, in that country at least, it really has.

{The downside is that Delhi's so polluted that monsoon doesn't even break there any more than the SL cricket team were throwing up trying to bowl, but there are several hundred million more middle class Indians than there were back then.}

[IUFG]

Do what?

You do know that we've been a net importer of food for 200 years, don't you? And about how the Corn Law repeals were acceptance of this even though it went against the interests of Tory landowners.

Next you'll be telling me most of us still live in the countryside as opposed to cities.

yes, that is why I said packaged and / or produced. Never mentioned origin.

The UK might import a ****load of peppers or satsumas but they will generally be packaged / processed in the UK

[Burney]

Yet you celebrate Trump who is championing moving away from this and towards old school protectionist tariffs?

I spend a fair bit of time in some of the **** holes where these jobs have gone and there is very little evidence of millions being lifted out of poverty. THere is plenty of evidence of greater investment in infrastructure and larger numbers of individuals of obscene wealth.

I champion Trump’s defence of the nation state, his rejection of cultural relativism, his contempt for political (as opposed to economic) globalists and his robust assertion of Occidentalsm. His economics are sophomoric, populist nonsense.

And, your anecdotes aside, the increase in material wealth in developing nations is a demonstrable fact, I’m afraid.

[Peter]

I champion Trump’s defence of the nation state, his rejection of cultural relativism, his contempt for political (as opposed to economic) globalists and his robust assertion of Occidentalsm. His economics are sophomoric, populist nonsense.

And, your anecdotes aside, the increase in material wealth in developing nations is a demonstrable fact, I’m afraid.

I didnt deny that their economies were growing. THat is a fact.

Defence of the nation state :hehe::hehe:

It's a federation of states which we both believe a state should be allowed to leave.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

global capitalism has done far more to spread wealth globally and raise the poorest out of poverty than socialism, protectionism and closed markets ever have or will.

Unless you're Chinese of course

[Burney]

Unless you're Chinese of course

Well...no. In fact, no populace has benefited more than China's.

This is a people who in living memory suffered famines that killed millions. Now they're well fed. have gainful employment and all want cars, tellies and convenience food.

wd Capitalism

[SWv2]

anything that doesn't need to be kept chilled or frozen, r.

a tin of beans or packet of biscuits, for example.

You deserve a good shoeing, but not a violent one. Just one to teach you a lesson.

Ambient food indeed.

[Luis Anaconda]

Well...no. In fact, no populace has benefited more than China's.

This is a people who in living memory suffered famines that killed millions. Now they're well fed. have gainful employment and all want cars, tellies and convenience food.

wd Capitalism

This comment is beyond moronic - I hoped your support of Trump and brexit might be a bit of a charade, but, no, you do actually want to be thought of a full-blown retard

[Sir C]

This comment is beyond moronic - I hoped your support of Trump and brexit might be a bit of a charade, but, no, you do actually want to be thought of a full-blown retard

You’re going to have to show your workings here la. Because he’s quite right about China.

[Luis Anaconda]

You’re going to have to show your workings here la. Because he’s quite right about China.

Two things - we convened for a meeting here in the biergarten as is socially acceptable at 3pm. Secondly, there’s bazillions of Chinese - the vast majority don’t enjoy the benefits of which he speaks. Thirdly, i don’t think he’s noticed - shall we keep this between us

[Luis Anaconda]

You’re going to have to show your workings here la. Because he’s quite right about China.

Two things - we convened for a meeting here in the biergarten as is socially acceptable at 3pm. Secondly, there’s bazillions of Chinese - the vast majority don’t enjoy the benefits of which he speaks. Thirdly, i don’t think he’s noticed - shall we keep this between us

[Ash]

This will reconnect big time with northern Leave voters.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html%3famp

Meanwhile, that thick cûnt May has taken over negotiations so she can go to Brussels and bend over even further for Juncker, Barnier et al - which will go down like a cup of cold sick with ALL Leave voters,

Brace for impact, boys! Uncle Jez is heading for Number 10 at this rate.

Not sure he can connect with northern Leave voters without losing some southern Remainers to the Lib Dems.

[redgunamo]

Well...no. In fact, no populace has benefited more than China's.

This is a people who in living memory suffered famines that killed millions. Now they're well fed. have gainful employment and all want cars, tellies and convenience food.

wd Capitalism

Indeed, but 967

[Sir C]

Two things - we convened for a meeting here in the biergarten as is socially acceptable at 3pm. Secondly, there’s bazillions of Chinese - the vast majority don’t enjoy the benefits of which he speaks. Thirdly, i don’t think he’s noticed - shall we keep this between us

Is it stinking hot? I prescribe beer and gyros.

[Monty92]

Not sure he can connect with northern Leave voters without losing some southern Remainers to the Lib Dems.

But he's deliberately left his Brexit policy open-ended, including consistently refusing to rule out a second referendum, to avoid that fate. Certainly, in the (albeit unlikely) event of a snap GE before March 2019, I can quite imagine a Corbyn government pushing for an extension of Article 50 and then a second ref.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

Well...no. In fact, no populace has benefited more than China's.

This is a people who in living memory suffered famines that killed millions. Now they're well fed. have gainful employment and all want cars, tellies and convenience food.

wd Capitalism

Bit of a typo there b old stick. I think you meant to say "well done communism".


The General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China is head of the Communist Party of China and the highest-ranking official within the People's Republic of China. The General Secretary is a standing member of the Politburo and head of the Secretariat. The officeholder is usually considered the "paramount leader" of China

[Burney]

Bit of a typo there b old stick. I think you meant to say "well done communism".

:hehe: China's success has come about because it completely abandoned communist economic principles of a planned, centralised economy (a process that invariably leads to economic stagnation since no-one is incentivised) and instead allowed people to get rich through enterprise.

China maintains the social and political control structures of a totalitarian communist state, of course, but its economy - whence its economic success derives - is good, old-fashioned cutthroat capitalism.

[Burney]

Two things - we convened for a meeting here in the biergarten as is socially acceptable at 3pm. Secondly, there’s bazillions of Chinese - the vast majority don’t enjoy the benefits of which he speaks. Thirdly, i don’t think he’s noticed - shall we keep this between us

I did notice and I'm less than impressed, la.

[IUFG]

You deserve a good shoeing, but not a violent one. Just one to teach you a lesson.

Ambient food indeed.

you fancy attempting to administer this shoeing, eh SW?

:fight:

[SWv2]

you fancy attempting to administer this shoeing, eh SW?

:fight:

I am no longer a man of violence I.

Ambient music, yes. Ambient food, have a word with yourself.

[IUFG]

I am no longer a man of violence I.

Ambient music, yes. Ambient food, have a word with yourself.

in the future I shall use the up-to-date parlance of shelf-stable food.

In any case, have you heard The Orb's - No Sounds are Out of Bounds, yet?

Utter, utter shíte.

They've gone all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmzodvWDwSM
again

[SWv2]

in the future I shall use the up-to-date parlance of shelf-stable food.

In any case, have you heard The Orb's - No Sounds are Out of Bounds, yet?

Utter, utter shíte.



Very disappointing I thought, couple of tracks with vocals are so un-Orb as possible.

Thankfully I did not pay out any actual Euros for it so there was no personal loss.

[AFC East]

This will reconnect big time with northern Leave voters.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html%3famp

Meanwhile, that thick cûnt May has taken over negotiations so she can go to Brussels and bend over even further for Juncker, Barnier et al - which will go down like a cup of cold sick with ALL Leave voters,

Brace for impact, boys! Uncle Jez is heading for Number 10 at this rate.

It's almost a truism that anything appealing to leave voters is unpopular with remain voters. Until Brexit is done and dusted, politics in the UK is in a fine old mess.

Rees-Mogg and Corbyn in such positions of influence, who'd a thought it? It's utterly ridiculous.

What happened to the centre ground?

[Burney]

It's almost a truism that anything appealing to leave voters is unpopular with remain voters. Until Brexit is done and dusted, politics in the UK is in a fine old mess.

Rees-Mogg and Corbyn in such positions of influence, who'd a thought it? It's utterly ridiculous.

What happened to the centre ground?

I think Labour has correctly calculated that there are more (and more important) votes to be won by embracing Brexit than there are to be lost by vehemently opposing it. It's not like Remain die-hard areas like Islington are ever going to vote Lib Dem, after all. Meanwhile, May is busily alienating her base, constituency parties, all her activists and millions of voters who switched from UKIP because they believed the tories would deliver a meaningful Brexit by single-mindedly appeasing the EU.

Honestly, the woman is an utter disaster.

[Luis Anaconda]

I did notice and I'm less than impressed, la.

Sorry b :hide:

[Viva Prat Vegas]

Posting the same apology twice in 13 minutes
:hehe:
You MUST have been rat-bottomed

[Ash]

:hehe: China's success has come about because it completely abandoned communist economic principles of a planned, centralised economy (a process that invariably leads to economic stagnation since no-one is incentivised) and instead allowed people to get rich through enterprise.

China maintains the social and political control structures of a totalitarian communist state, of course, but its economy - whence its economic success derives - is good, old-fashioned cutthroat capitalism.

ISTR that the state plays quite a role in how capital is allowed to function though. Not exactly a pure classical model.

[Ash]

I think Labour has correctly calculated that there are more (and more important) votes to be won by embracing Brexit than there are to be lost by vehemently opposing it. It's not like Remain die-hard areas like Islington are ever going to vote Lib Dem, after all. Meanwhile, May is busily alienating her base, constituency parties, all her activists and millions of voters who switched from UKIP because they believed the tories would deliver a meaningful Brexit by single-mindedly appeasing the EU.

Honestly, the woman is an utter disaster.

Bit harsh to pin it all on her imo.

[AFC East]

I think Labour has correctly calculated that there are more (and more important) votes to be won by embracing Brexit than there are to be lost by vehemently opposing it. It's not like Remain die-hard areas like Islington are ever going to vote Lib Dem, after all. Meanwhile, May is busily alienating her base, constituency parties, all her activists and millions of voters who switched from UKIP because they believed the tories would deliver a meaningful Brexit by single-mindedly appeasing the EU.

Honestly, the woman is an utter disaster.

Areas like Islington aren't going to be swayed by anything that he wouldn't be taken to prison for. There are other more finely balanced areas that the party must be more cautious about, but I guess we will wait and see.

In any case, it seems that Labour has little or no say in the Brexit deal. Their only expectation is to make the best of whatever that deal is. A thankless task for any party, but failure can at least be easily blamed on the previous administrations. Even May will have that excuse.

As for May, she is feckless, but I don't suppose anybody else would do much better. There are significant differences of opinion on a policy that can't be balanced by compromise on other issues. There isn't an obvious middle ground either.

Couple that with people on all sides acting opportunistically and I think the role of PM has never been less desirable or more difficult (in peace time).

[Burney]

Sorry b :hide:

Grrrrrrrrr! :shakesfist:

[Burney]

Bit harsh to pin it all on her imo.

I’m not pinning it all on her, but she is the PM who knowingly took on Brexit and is therefore responsible for the direction things have taken. :shrug:

[SWv2]

Bit harsh to pin it all on her imo.

It is how we have always rolled on here.

May OUT!