I know it's only the white ball stuff but I am enjoying England

[PSRB]

smashing the Aussies all over the place. 4-0 up in the series :-)

[Burney]

smashing the Aussies all over the place. 4-0 up in the series :-)

It's a bit too easy, but I agree. Smashing the world record against them would really have hurt. Mind you, I was hoping we'd get 500 just to really humiliate them. :hehe:

[Luis Anaconda]

smashing the Aussies all over the place. 4-0 up in the series :-)
We should have played them once and Scotland 5 times. Still, if you can't enjoy smashing the Aussies ...

Something needs to be done to rebalance the game though - not a huge fan of these massive totals. Basically no one will want to be a bowler anymore

[PSRB]

It's a bit too easy, but I agree. Smashing the world record against them would really have hurt. Mind you, I was hoping we'd get 500 just to really humiliate them. :hehe:

Yes, I was willing us to get 500. 311 used to be a winning score, we chased it with more than 5 overs to spare :hehe:

Our top order is very special, Bairstow, Roy & Hales and then you still have Buttler in reserve :-)

[Burney]

We should have played them once and Scotland 5 times. Still, if you can't enjoy smashing the Aussies ...

Something needs to be done to rebalance the game though - not a huge fan of these massive totals. Basically no one will want to be a bowler anymore

:nod: But sadly, what the ignorant plebs want to see is the ball sailing out of the ground once an over. Bowlers are now just a means to that end. They could be replaced with bowling machines for all most spectators care.

[Pokster]

We should have played them once and Scotland 5 times. Still, if you can't enjoy smashing the Aussies ...

Something needs to be done to rebalance the game though - not a huge fan of these massive totals. Basically no one will want to be a bowler anymore

Go back to only 1 ball, brings reverse swing back in and more for the spinners as the ball gets older.... weather this yr has helped pitched be truer, also for TV loads of runs, 4's and 6's looks better than 190 all out

[Sir C]

:nod: But sadly, what the ignorant plebs want to see is the ball sailing out of the ground once an over. Bowlers are now just a means to that end. They could be replaced with bowling machines for all most spectators care.

Soundsd to me like they've made the game too accessible, Ian.

[PSRB]

Go back to only 1 ball, brings reverse swing back in and more for the spinners as the ball gets older.... weather this yr has helped pitched be truer, also for TV loads of runs, 4's and 6's looks better than 190 all out

Although easier for Sky to drop in ad breaks with wickets falling all the time :-)

[Luis Anaconda]

Go back to only 1 ball, brings reverse swing back in and more for the spinners as the ball gets older.... weather this yr has helped pitched be truer, also for TV loads of runs, 4's and 6's looks better than 190 all out

The great Sachin has said this very thing about one ball this morning - and Athers was going on about it yesterday. Won't happen til at least after the World Cup

[Burney]

Soundsd to me like they've made the game too accessible, Ian.

There is a truth there, though. It's as though in football someone had widened the goals or made the goalkeepers wear blindfolds. Lots more goals, but basically pretty sh1t.

[Pokster]

The great Sachin has said this very thing about one ball this morning - and Athers was going on about it yesterday. Won't happen til at least after the World Cup

Not rocket science (hence why i thought of it as well), World cup hs pitches being used more than once, so every chance that the later games might not be so free scoring.

[Luis Anaconda]

:nod: But sadly, what the ignorant plebs want to see is the ball sailing out of the ground once an over. Bowlers are now just a means to that end. They could be replaced with bowling machines for all most spectators care.

Funny that the Aussies can't handle are spinners though - Root bowling 10 overs for 44 and Rashid taking wickets with rank long hops :)

This will make you mad though - they've been trialling the white Duke ball in County 2nd XI cricket. The main complaint is that it swings too much - and this is coming from the bowlers who can't control it. Useless ****s

[Burney]

Not rocket science (hence why i thought of it as well), World cup hs pitches being used more than once, so every chance that the later games might not be so free scoring.

A more fundamental problem is the white ball itself. It's a piece of sh1t.

[Burney]

Funny that the Aussies can't handle are spinners though - Root bowling 10 overs for 44 and Rashid taking wickets with rank long hops :)

This will make you mad though - they've been trialling the white Duke ball in County 2nd XI cricket. The main complaint is that it swings too much - and this is coming from the bowlers who can't control it. Useless ****s

Well you have the basic problem that the Kookaburra balls do far too little to make for interesting cricket, while the Duke balls arguably go too far in the other direction. However, I think it's fair to say that Duke balls make for better balanced matches generally.

[PSRB]

A more fundamental problem is the white ball itself. It's a piece of sh1t.

This.

See also Kookaburra balls

[Pokster]

Well you have the basic problem that the Kookaburra balls do far too little to make for interesting cricket, while the Duke balls arguably go too far in the other direction. However, I think it's fair to say that Duke balls make for better balanced matches generally.

Have the Kookaburra balls been tested over here nd the reverse in Australia? Perhaps the ICC should just decide on only 1 ball bening used for International cricket

[PSRB]

Have the Kookaburra balls been tested over here nd the reverse in Australia? Perhaps the ICC should just decide on only 1 ball bening used for International cricket

They'd choose the Kookaburra though, Indians & Aussies love it

[Burney]

They'd choose the Kookaburra though, Indians & Aussies love it

:nod: Which would ruin test cricket in the only country where it still fills stadia - England.

[Peter]

Yes, I was willing us to get 500. 311 used to be a winning score, we chased it with more than 5 overs to spare :hehe:

Our top order is very special, Bairstow, Roy & Hales and then you still have Buttler in reserve :-)

I am beginning to think that Root should consider ducking out for a while and concentrating on tests. His contributions in the one day game seem to see him steady early on but then struggling to up the pace and getting out.

Hales played a nice sensible innings yet and made sure he was there at the end. When Stokes comes back, I am not convinced you really need Root in there.

[PSRB]

I am beginning to think that Root should consider ducking out for a while and concentrating on tests. His contributions in the one day game seem to see him steady early on but then struggling to up the pace and getting out.

Hales played a nice sensible innings yet and made sure he was there at the end. When Stokes comes back, I am not convinced you really need Root in there.

Certainly don't need both Root and Morgan, I guess they won't drop the captain though

[Burney]

I am beginning to think that Root should consider ducking out for a while and concentrating on tests. His contributions in the one day game seem to see him steady early on but then struggling to up the pace and getting out.

Hales played a nice sensible innings yet and made sure he was there at the end. When Stokes comes back, I am not convinced you really need Root in there.

You're right. Root can't do the ballistic bit. It's a sad fact that the two squads are drifting further and further apart into almost entirely specialist disciplines. Test cricket and one-day cricket are just moving further and further apart.

[Luis Anaconda]

I am beginning to think that Root should consider ducking out for a while and concentrating on tests. His contributions in the one day game seem to see him steady early on but then struggling to up the pace and getting out.

Hales played a nice sensible innings yet and made sure he was there at the end. When Stokes comes back, I am not convinced you really need Root in there.
Ridiculous - sorry utterly ridiculous - the man has more one-day centuries than any Englishman bar Trescothick. Stokes is another basher though of course he comes back in - at some point England are going to need an accumulator even in these days (see Pakistan last year). By all means change the order when needed but give me a batsmen like Root rather than the all-too-often brainless Hales (and yes he played well yesterday) any day of the year

[Luis Anaconda]

Certainly don't need both Root and Morgan, I guess they won't drop the captain though

21 one-day centuries between them - I think you do

[Peter]

Ridiculous - sorry utterly ridiculous - the man has more one-day centuries than any Englishman bar Trescothick. Stokes is another basher though of course he comes back in - at some point England are going to need an accumulator even in these days (see Pakistan last year). By all means change the order when needed but give me a batsmen like Root rather than the all-too-often brainless Hales (and yes he played well yesterday) any day of the year

I am just saying maybe he should duck out for a bit and sort his game out. My bigger concern here is for the test side. Root has been underperforming (for him) for a while and there is a definite confusion in his game. This becomes more evident in the one day game. He can get stuck at one end early in his innings but lately his ability to up the pace once he settles seems to be lacking.

Yesterday a patient innings was fine, given the situation. It was Hales who did it- Root got himself out as soon as he tried to go through the gears.

I want Root to focus on his test game and start scoring horrifically dull double hundreds.....

[PSRB]

21 one-day centuries between them - I think you do

Still don't rate Morgan, Stokes or Morgan, I know which I'd choose

[Luis Anaconda]

I am just saying maybe he should duck out for a bit and sort his game out. My bigger concern here is for the test side. Root has been underperforming (for him) for a while and there is a definite confusion in his game. This becomes more evident in the one day game. He can get stuck at one end early in his innings but lately his ability to up the pace once he settles seems to be lacking.

Yesterday a patient innings was fine, given the situation. It was Hales who did it- Root got himself out as soon as he tried to go through the gears.

I want Root to focus on his test game and start scoring horrifically dull double hundreds.....
Yeah - take your point on concentrating on the Test side but I think the captaincy is more of an issue there not that he is playing one-day cricket. My rant was more directed at an idiot on Twitter yesterday who I refrained from engaging with, who said that picking Root was a throwback to 90s cricket. Don't think Root has been that out of touch in the one-day game though - only been a few games since he scored a ton (in NZ) and a fair few other decent scores besides

[Luis Anaconda]

Still don't rate Morgan, Stokes or Morgan, I know which I'd choose

England's highest ever one-day runs scorer? And you don't rate him. ****ing hell

[Burney]

Yeah - take your point on concentrating on the Test side but I think the captaincy is more of an issue there not that he is playing one-day cricket. My rant was more directed at an idiot on Twitter yesterday who I refrained from engaging with, who said that picking Root was a throwback to 90s cricket. Don't think Root has been that out of touch in the one-day game though - only been a few games since he scored a ton (in NZ) and a fair few other decent scores besides

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it: Root really isn't a very good captain.

[Peter]

Yeah - take your point on concentrating on the Test side but I think the captaincy is more of an issue there not that he is playing one-day cricket. My rant was more directed at an idiot on Twitter yesterday who I refrained from engaging with, who said that picking Root was a throwback to 90s cricket. Don't think Root has been that out of touch in the one-day game though - only been a few games since he scored a ton (in NZ) and a fair few other decent scores besides

And I should probably clarify that, fair or not, I dont judge Root by the same standard as everyone else. Sorry, but he is better than that and we need him to be.

I dont see a problem with letting him sit out a few games and maybe having a look at someone else. He has a great game in both formats but at present I think he is fumbling slightly in both. We are talking about a bloke who is as good as anyone in the world.

Looking ahead to the World Cup, I am not questioning his place. But we are a way off yet.

[Peter]

England's highest ever one-day runs scorer? And you don't rate him. ****ing hell

To me he is the complete one day batsman. He can play the accumulator role and the ballistic and is able (when in form) to switch between the two.

Root's ability to do this, although not in quite the same way, is what is lacking form his game at present.

[Peter]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it: Root really isn't a very good captain.

Who else is there though?

[Burney]

Who else is there though?

Mike Brearley?

[PSRB]

England's highest ever one-day runs scorer? And you don't rate him. ****ing hell

I honestly have no idea how he's achieved this feat, I know he was decent a few years back but not so much recently

[Peter]

I honestly have no idea how he's achieved this feat, I know he was decent a few years back but not so much recently

A fairly decent knock the other day, 60 odd from around 30 balls.....

[Tony C]

Can we take bets on when the 500 will happen?

Would be interested in Never.

[PSRB]

A fairly decent knock the other day, 60 odd from around 30 balls.....

Lots of useful knocks of around 30-40 odd, I guess I just find him a little underwhelming

[Luis Anaconda]

Lots of useful knocks of around 30-40 odd, I guess I just find him a little underwhelming

Sorry or should that be Surrey - purely trolling now. Played some of the greatest knocks on all time for England - that one at the Rose Bowl to beat Australia is on a par with anything Pietersen ever did. Helped change the way England play, 10 centuries and countless 50s - I think he holds the record for most consecutive ones

[Luis Anaconda]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it: Root really isn't a very good captain.

Sadly I don't think this is uncommon view. No shame in it - great batsman but has no experience in the role prior to be made England captain. Personally I would give it to Broad just for ****s and giggles

[Peter]

Sadly I don't think this is uncommon view. No shame in it - great batsman but has no experience in the role prior to be made England captain. Personally I would give it to Broad just for ****s and giggles

Bowlers are animals. You cant let them captain a side.

We dont have anyone so Root gets his turn. His batting average actually hasn't suffered much. I checked the stats a few months back.

[Luis Anaconda]

Bowlers are animals. You cant let them captain a side.

We dont have anyone so Root gets his turn. His batting average actually hasn't suffered much. I checked the stats a few months back.

Nope just not turning 50s into tons - worse problems to have I suppose

[PSRB]

Sorry or should that be Surrey - purely trolling now. Played some of the greatest knocks on all time for England - that one at the Rose Bowl to beat Australia is on a par with anything Pietersen ever did. Helped change the way England play, 10 centuries and countless 50s - I think he holds the record for most consecutive ones

Nah Bairstow does

[Luis Anaconda]

Nah Bairstow does

That's for tons. For 50s Morgan doesn't hold it but on couple of occasions has got 6 50s in 8 innings. Probably got "useful" 30 or 40s in the others. In championship news, even without Kohli Surrey looking a good bet for the title :(