Much of the world's media are clearly hating every minute of this summit.

[Burney]

The fact that NK has just committed to complete and immediate denuclearisation - i.e. a huge American foreign policy success and general good thing - is gritting their collective sh1t in no uncertain terms.

It's actually rather glorious to watch. :hehe:

[Peter]

The fact that NK has just committed to complete and immediate denuclearisation - i.e. a huge American foreign policy success and general good thing - is gritting their collective sh1t in no uncertain terms.

It's actually rather glorious to watch. :hehe:

But what about human rights???

[7sisters]

Do you think Kim took up the subject of barbers and offered his stylist as a makeweight ?

[Burney]

But what about human rights???

What about them?

[Burney]

Do you think Kim took up the subject of barbers and offered his stylist as a makeweight ?

I'm actually a big fan of Kim's haircut.

[Peter]

What about them?

Exactly. Ultimately he has concluded a deal with a dictator with silly hair that commits him to getting rid of weapons he almost certainly doesn't have.

Bad deal!!!

[7sisters]

Lets not forget about the pledged investment funding, as yet undefined. #nosuchthimgasafreekimchi

[PSRB]

Exactly. Ultimately he has concluded a deal with a dictator with silly hair that commits him to getting rid of weapons he almost certainly doesn't have.

Bad deal!!!

Might stop him firing rockets at family members tied to stakes though :shrug:

[Burney]

Exactly. Ultimately he has concluded a deal with a dictator with silly hair that commits him to getting rid of weapons he almost certainly doesn't have.

Bad deal!!!

:hehe: No. He has taken a rogue nuclear state off the map by forcing a dictator to cease fvcking about with nukes he demonstrably did have and giving him a face-saving way of backing down that doesn't involve war and massively reduces regional tensions.

Face facts: it's a strategic and diplomatic triumph of the sort nobody's seen since the fall of the Iron Curtain.

[IUFG]

I'm actually a big fan of Kim's haircut.

He does suffer from the occasional 'Donald' though...

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8231128.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/North-Korean-leader-Kim-Jong-Un.jpg


He likes a trouser with a fair bit of room, too.

Now, while this may be comfortable, I'm not sure I like the look.

[Burney]

He does suffer from the occasional 'Donald' though...

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8231128.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/North-Korean-leader-Kim-Jong-Un.jpg


He likes a trouser with a fair bit of room, too.

Now, while this may be comfortable, I'm not sure I like the look.

Look at him there, having a grand old time with a fag on. :hehe:

The North Koreans: a great bunch of lads.

[IUFG]

Look at him there, having a grand old time with a fag on. :hehe:

The North Koreans: a great bunch of lads.

He loves a ciggie does our KJ-U

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kim-jong-un-spends-29million-8231520

[Peter]

:hehe: No. He has taken a rogue nuclear state off the map by forcing a dictator to cease fvcking about with nukes he demonstrably did have and giving him a face-saving way of backing down that doesn't involve war and massively reduces regional tensions.

Face facts: it's a strategic and diplomatic triumph of the sort nobody's seen since the fall of the Iron Curtain.

the success (or otherwise) of diplomatic deals are not weighed the minute the meeting ends. Lets see what happens shall we.....

He still hasn't built that ****ing wall.....

[Burney]

He loves a ciggie does our KJ-U

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kim-jong-un-spends-29million-8231520

I seem to remember reading somewhere that North Korea was the source of most of the world's knock-off fags. It was - or is - a major source of hard currency for them.

[Burney]

the success (or otherwise) of diplomatic deals are not weighed the minute the meeting ends. Lets see what happens shall we.....

He still hasn't built that ****ing wall.....

Oh, I agree. However, if you compare his foreign policy achievements in 18 months with Obama's in 8 years, he's undeniably miles ahead.

I agree about the wall, fwiw. Quite a lot of his supporters are getting irritated about that. I don't blame them. Who wants a country full of Mexicans, after all? Look at the fvcking state of Mexico for how that turns out.

[Peter]

Oh, I agree. However, if you compare his foreign policy achievements in 18 months with Obama's in 8 years, he's undeniably miles ahead.

I agree about the wall, fwiw. Quite a lot of his supporters are getting irritated about that. I don't blame them. Who wants a country full of Mexicans, after all? Look at the fvcking state of Mexico for how that turns out.

THe genuinely worrying thing is that he is infuriating the global community with his tariffs aimed at protecting and creating american jobs in key industries. He is going to great lengths to do exactly what he promised he would do during the election.

He really hasn't got the hang of this politics lark, has he :)

As I have said before, if he brings hundreds of thousands of jobs to those states that have sat rotting for decades then even I will hail him as a great president.

THis things he has signed with Kim...it says nothing! Bad deal!!

[Burney]

THe genuinely worrying thing is that he is infuriating the global community with his tariffs aimed at protecting and creating american jobs in key industries. He is going to great lengths to do exactly what he promised he would do during the election.

He really hasn't got the hang of this politics lark, has he :)

As I have said before, if he brings hundreds of thousands of jobs to those states that have sat rotting for decades then even I will hail him as a great president.

THis things he has signed with Kim...it says nothing! Bad deal!!

It's not a bad deal and you know it.

The thing is, with every success, he's making it harder and harder to return to the previous status quo. Can you imagine eight years of Trump being followed by another Beltway-dwelling 'professional politician'? No, neither can I.

[7sisters]

Sure, he’s there for the electioeering. There never is any substance to these things. That way he can always blame the ground level negotiating staff to screw it all up.Thenje can fire a few more people.

[Luis Anaconda]

The fact that NK has just committed to complete and immediate denuclearisation - i.e. a huge American foreign policy success and general good thing - is gritting their collective sh1t in no uncertain terms.

It's actually rather glorious to watch. :hehe:
How much of the world's media have you read/watched, b?

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

It's a strategic and diplomatic triumph of the sort nobody's seen since the fall of the Iron Curtain.

under a mountain which then collapsed. I think seeing your beloved Brexit disintegrate before your very eyes hasn't so much clouded your judgement as sent you completely off your rocker.

[Peter]

It's not a bad deal and you know it.

The thing is, with every success, he's making it harder and harder to return to the previous status quo. Can you imagine eight years of Trump being followed by another Beltway-dwelling 'professional politician'? No, neither can I.

The deal doesnt say anything really. It isn't a deal so much as an agreement to work towards one. Which is fine but lets not jump the gun and hand out the Nobel prizes just yet.

I wouldnt assume you will get 8 years of Trump. You are getting a little carried away there.....

[Peter]

How much of the world's media have you read/watched, b?

Doesnt really matter does it, the media are all the same.

Fake news!!

[Luis Anaconda]

Doesnt really matter does it, the media are all the same.

Fake news!!

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, p

[SWv2]

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, p

Not often you get a S+G reference on here.

I applaud this.

[Peter]

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, p

All lies and jests :)

A good summary of 'the media' in general

[Luis Anaconda]

Not often you get a S+G reference on here.

I applaud this.

ty - sw. It an insane world, there are some calming influences

[WES]

The fact that NK has just committed to complete and immediate denuclearisation - i.e. a huge American foreign policy success and general good thing - is gritting their collective sh1t in no uncertain terms.

It's actually rather glorious to watch. :hehe:

Of course, the document says nothing about how or when that denuclearization will be achieved. And yet the same president claimed that the Iran deal was a 'bad deal' despite it being very clear how verification would occur.

But this is a stunning foreign policy success? You live in a strange world some times, Burney. :hehe:

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

The fact that NK has just committed to complete and immediate denuclearisation - i.e. a huge American foreign policy success and general good thing - is gritting their collective sh1t in no uncertain terms.

It's actually rather glorious to watch. :hehe:


Take your pick

http://newsthump.com/2018/06/12/donald-trump-and-kim-jong-un-spend-an-hour-playing-video-games-and-looking-at-porn/

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/trump-and-kim-jong-un-bond-over-shared-loathing-of-their-subjects-20180612174132

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Oh, I agree. However, if you compare his foreign policy achievements in 18 months with Obama's in 8 years, he's undeniably miles ahead.

I agree about the wall, fwiw. Quite a lot of his supporters are getting irritated about that. I don't blame them. Who wants a country full of Mexicans, after all? Look at the fvcking state of Mexico for how that turns out.

Whereas if Kim had got an H-bomb and long range delivery system with which to hit the US during Obama's day, and then been given a meeting, treated as an equal, and promised better relations, all without any concrete promise of denuking, the right would have been calling Obama a traitor.

As Ind, Pak and Isr have shown. If you wanna be taken seriously, get a nuke.

Why should any tinpot dictator respect the NPT now?

[Sir C]

Whereas if Kim had got an H-bomb and long range delivery system with which to hit the US during Obama's day, and then been given a meeting, treated as an equal, and promised better relations, all without any concrete promise of denuking, the right would have been calling Obama a traitor.

As Ind, Pak and Isr have shown. If you wanna be taken seriously, get a nuke.

Why should any tinpot dictator respect the NPT now?

Allegedly Pakistan is entering talks with the US about denukularising. :shrug:

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

under a mountain which then collapsed. I think seeing your beloved Brexit disintegrate before your very eyes hasn't so much clouded your judgement as sent you completely off your rocker.

Look, Herb, I with you about Brexiters loving Trump cos that is the nationalist power they hoped Brexit would give but now realise it won't.

But Dog-Muncher did do nuke tests under a mountain. And then one day, he blew the whole ****ing mountain up by accident. That doesn't say he hasn't got a bomb to me. It says he's got a bigger bomb than he thought. That's why he invited the world's press to blow up the site the other day. Cos he's got a nuke that still takes out mountains even when he tries to play with it safely.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Allegedly Pakistan is entering talks with the US about denukularising. :shrug:

Really? That would be ace. Then Modi could nuke the fücker's off the face of Shiva's clean earth. Then he'd get ostracised by the international community and Congress would win again and all would be right with the world with the errors of Partition undone.

But in the real world, C, the 'Stanis will never give up their nukes with a nuke-armed Saffron Saudi Arabia next door. Too tempting for any Hindutva hardman in need of an electoral boost.

Imagine if a DRS decision started a nuclear war?

[Sir C]

Really? That would be ace. Then Modi could nuke the fücker's off the face of Shiva's clean earth. Then he'd get ostracised by the international community and Congress would win again and all would be right with the world with the errors of Partition undone.

But in the real world, C, the 'Stanis will never give up their nukes with a nuke-armed Saffron Saudi Arabia next door. Too tempting for any Hindutva hardman in need of an electoral boost.

Imagine if a DRS decision started a nuclear war?

It may be the case that those Pakistani fellas are looking over one border at the dust and shít of Afghanistan, over the other border at the vast wand rapidly expanding wealth of India, and wondering whether, with a little US seed money, they might not be better off emulating the one over the other...

[Ash]

:hehe: No. He has taken a rogue nuclear state off the map by forcing a dictator to cease fvcking about with nukes he demonstrably did have and giving him a face-saving way of backing down that doesn't involve war and massively reduces regional tensions.

Face facts: it's a strategic and diplomatic triumph of the sort nobody's seen since the fall of the Iron Curtain.

Alternatively, NK have shown that the way to discourage the US from attacking you is to develop nukes, which will give you something to negotiate with when your position of strength brings the US to the table.

Of course at this point it's a declaration rather than a deal. Talks agreeing to have more talks, but it's a start. In return for a testing freeze, DJT pledged to end the provocative military exercises which is a big win for NK, and said he would eventually like to bring the US troops home from SK, which would certainly guarrantee Norkish denukification. Meanwhile NK gets space to continue the important peace talks with SK.

All in all a good start imo. wd both sides.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

It may be the case that those Pakistani fellas are looking over one border at the dust and shít of Afghanistan, over the other border at the vast wand rapidly expanding wealth of India, and wondering whether, with a little US seed money, they might not be better off emulating the one over the other...

They'll never be able to admit their entire creation myth - Jinnah, the ML and Partition - was an unmitigated clusterfück which has seen the GDP per cap halve relative to India.

So they have to believe they are 'The Land of the Pure' (Pakistan) which is why anywhere outside Islamabad and the posh, walled compounds of Lahore and Karachi are basically Taleb country.

Thank God the Pashtuns and Baluchis were on our side in the two WWs, imo.

But they ain't gonna give up their belief in a Muslim homeland just to have the chance to imitate the Indian middle class.

{Though I accept I haven't been there and the Indian sources I read my not be entirely impartial. But I've spent enough time with Kashmiris to understand that mindset. The Kashmiris would be minted if they could stop the war and go back to renting out houseboats to honeymooners from Delhi and rich intl tourists for $x00 per night. But they prefer Jihad. This is what happens to people who think they're better than the British and the Congress Party when they clearly aren't.}

[Sir C]

They'll never be able to admit their entire creation myth - Jinnah, the ML and Partition - was an unmitigated clusterfück which has seen the GDP per cap halve relative to India.

So they have to believe they are 'The Land of the Pure' (Pakistan) which is why anywhere outside Islamabad and the posh, walled compounds of Lahore and Karachi are basically Taleb country.

Thank God the Pashtuns and Baluchis were on our side in the two WWs, imo.

But they ain't gonna give up their belief in a Muslim homeland just to have the chance to imitate the Indian middle class.

{Though I accept I haven't been there and the Indian sources I read my not be entirely impartial. But I've spent enough time with Kashmiris to understand that mindset. The Kashmiris would be minted if they could stop the war and go back to renting out houseboats to honeymooners from Delhi and rich intl tourists for $x00 per night. But they prefer Jihad. This is what happens to people who think they're better than the British and the Congress Party when they clearly aren't.}

Oh. Fúck it, if they're going to be like that, can't we just nuke the fúckers?

I am reminded of staggering out of a nightclub in New Delhi just as dawn was breaking, getting into a Merc with my incredibly pissed friends who then drove around at high speed trying to knock muslims off their mopeds as they sped to the mosque for morning prayers, all the while creaming 'Kill the moiosies' out of the windows of the car. This demonstrated to me that there are still some issues between Hindus and muslims. More than I had imagined.

'Kill the moosies' :hehe:

[Burney]

Oh. Fúck it, if they're going to be like that, can't we just nuke the fúckers?

I am reminded of staggering out of a nightclub in New Delhi just as dawn was breaking, getting into a Merc with my incredibly pissed friends who then drove around at high speed trying to knock muslims off their mopeds as they sped to the mosque for morning prayers, all the while creaming 'Kill the moiosies' out of the windows of the car. This demonstrated to me that there are still some issues between Hindus and muslims. More than I had imagined.

'Kill the moosies' :hehe:

So you're admitting taking part in an Islamophobic hate crime?

I, for one, am horrified. :yikes:

[Sir C]

So you're admitting taking part in an Islamophobic hate crime?

I, for one, am horrified. :yikes:

It was quite disturbing, actually. For a start, it was my first visit to India so I was concerned that my friends would get into trouble with the police for drunk driving and trying to kill people.

:hehe:

[Burney]

It was quite disturbing, actually. For a start, it was my first visit to India so I was concerned that my friends would get into trouble with the police for drunk driving and trying to kill people.

:hehe:

I see. You had failed to grasp the somewhat more...errr...'negotiable' attitude to trifling matters like law enforcement and the value of human life that obtains East of Suez?

[Sir C]

I see. You had failed to grasp the somewhat more...errr...'negotiable' attitude to trifling matters like law enforcement and the value of human life that obtains East of Suez?

Well, I wasn't exactly wet behind the ears, but the sheer scale of it surprised me.

This same bloke who drove me that day was once driving along talking on his phone when a copper stepped into the road and stopped him, so he simply ran him over, breaking his leg. He then called his chum the chief of police and had the injured party sacked for causing an accident. :hehe:

[eastgermanautos]

The fact that NK has just committed to complete and immediate denuclearisation - i.e. a huge American foreign policy success and general good thing - is gritting their collective sh1t in no uncertain terms.

It's actually rather glorious to watch. :hehe:

Why are you such an absurd procommunist troll? I've just come back from Communist China and believe me, old son, you don't want it.