I must say, The Donald is absolutely delighting me at present.

[Sir C]

He's got Merkel and Trudeau speechless and impotent, he's got De Niro and woke Hollywood having an utter wetty, and there's every chance he's going to end the Korean war. All in one weekend.

The man is a genius.

[Burney]

He's got Merkel and Trudeau speechless and impotent, he's got De Niro and woke Hollywood having an utter wetty, and there's every chance he's going to end the Korean war. All in one weekend.

The man is a genius.

He's fantastic, isn't he? I wish to God we had someone like him. :-(

[Sir C]

He's fantastic, isn't he? I wish to God we had someone like him. :-(

You'd imagine him smashing up a G7 meeting and thrreatening trade wars oin everyone would spook markets, but everywhere's up. :hehe:

[Burney]

You'd imagine him smashing up a G7 meeting and thrreatening trade wars oin everyone would spook markets, but everywhere's up. :hehe:

Yes. It's blowing a massive hole in the doctrine of globalism. It seems that a rampant United States is good for business regardless.

[Peter]

Yes. It's blowing a massive hole in the doctrine of globalism. It seems that a rampant United States is good for business regardless.

Wow..... should we perhaps reserve judgement a little?

THe man is clearly a ****. Goes all the way to Singapore and stays in Sentosa. What a ****.

You cant walk to the Cricket Club from there. Or Raffles.

[Sir C]

Wow..... should we perhaps reserve judgement a little?

THe man is clearly a ****. Goes all the way to Singapore and stays in Sentosa. What a ****.

You cant walk to the Cricket Club from there. Or Raffles.

He's not staying on Sentosa. The meeting is on Sentosa.

What is it with you people and your #fakenews ?

[Peter]

He's not staying on Sentosa. The meeting is on Sentosa.

What is it with you people and your #fakenews ?

Ooooh.... where is he staying? The Shang? It must be the Shang. THeothers are too hard to secure.

[Ash]

He's got Merkel and Trudeau speechless and impotent, he's got De Niro and woke Hollywood having an utter wetty, and there's every chance he's going to end the Korean war. All in one weekend.

The man is a genius.

Not if John Bolton has any influence on proceedings. The man never saw a war he didn't like.

Blowing up the G7 was funny though. And while the old order deflates the SCO partners continue to get their thang together on the other side of the world. 'Win-win' instead of 'Full Spectrum Dominance'. And imagine a free trade area that maintains and respects national sovereignty. Sounds good to me.

[Peter]

Ooooh.... where is he staying? The Shang? It must be the Shang. THeothers are too hard to secure.

Ah, yes., Its THe Shang.

Still, fair old trot to the cricket club from ORchard Road...

[Burney]

Wow..... should we perhaps reserve judgement a little?

THe man is clearly a ****. Goes all the way to Singapore and stays in Sentosa. What a ****.

You cant walk to the Cricket Club from there. Or Raffles.

Nah. He's currently wiping the floor with all the one-note, corporatist drones running other countries. He's a bloody marvel.

[Ash]

He's fantastic, isn't he? I wish to God we had someone like him. :-(

We should hire him for the Brexit negotiations. Cannot possibly do any worse than this shower.

[Monty92]

We should hire him for the Brexit negotiations. Cannot possibly do any worse than this shower.

You did your bit to sabotage the negotiations by voting for Jezza :shrug:

[Peter]

Nah. He's currently wiping the floor with all the one-note, corporatist drones running other countries. He's a bloody marvel.

It is a dangerous precedent. THe belief that a businessman can run a country better than a politician.

Obviously anyone can run a country better than a politician but even so.....

[Burney]

You did your bit to sabotage the negotiations by voting for Jezza :shrug:

To be fair, all an increased majority would have done would have been to allow May to pursue a worthlessly soft Brexit more easily.

The real problem is that the party and personnel in charge of leaving the EU don't actually want to leave the EU or believe in leaving the EU. The result will be a worthless compromise that will result in the issue continuing to blight our politics for another generation.

[Burney]

It is a dangerous precedent. THe belief that a businessman can run a country better than a politician.

Obviously anyone can run a country better than a politician but even so.....

It's a dangerous precedent for professional politicians, certainly, since it reveals them to be pretty much useless.

[Ash]

The real problem is that the party and personnel in charge of leaving the EU don't actually want to leave the EU or believe in leaving the EU. The result will be a worthless compromise that will result in the issue continuing to blight our politics for another generation.

And that the EU itself would never give a fair deal, pour décourager les autres.

Not sure where the three main, pro-EU parties are expecting the 17 million votes to go at the next election, but they don't seem very interested in them.

[Burney]

And that the EU itself would never give a fair deal, pour décourager les autres.

Not sure where the three main, pro-EU parties are expecting the 17 million votes to go at the next election, but they don't seem very interested in them.

:nod: None of them will be getting my vote, that's for absolutely fvcking certain.

[Sir C]

:nod: None of them will be getting my vote, that's for absolutely fvcking certain.

I would very much like to retain my vote, or spoil my ballot paper, or protest in some other way; but doing so simply increases the possibility of Youknowwhoo getting elected. And despite the fact that the current consrvative party seems to be about 75% socialist, it's still preferable to that gang of commies.

[Sir C]

You did your bit to sabotage the negotiations by voting for Jezza :shrug:

I don't believe a voted for Jezza. He may claim to have, out of a desire to shock, but we know ultimately that he is a reasonable, reasoning, sentient adult.

There's no way he voted for the halfwit and his coterie of filth.

[Burney]

I would very much like to retain my vote, or spoil my ballot paper, or protest in some other way; but doing so simply increases the possibility of Youknowwhoo getting elected. And despite the fact that the current consrvative party seems to be about 75% socialist, it's still preferable to that gang of commies.

To be fair, the Labour Party is at least meant to be full of raving communists. The tories, on the other hand, have betrayed everything and everyone they're supposed to represent. They are traitors and can fvck off.

If we end up with Trotterdammerung, then so be it. Politics deserves Corbyn. We all deserve Corbyn for voting for an endless parade of gobsh1tes determined to pursue agendas wholly at odds with the interests of this country for so long. Fvck it. Tear it up and start again.

[Sir C]

To be fair, the Labour Party is at least meant to be full of raving communists. The tories, on the other hand, have betrayed everything and everyone they're supposed to represent. They are traitors and can fvck off.

If we end up with Trotterdammerung, then so be it. Politics deserves Corbyn. We all deserve Corbyn for voting for an endless parade of gobsh1tes determined to pursue agendas wholly at odds with the interests of this country for so long. Fvck it. Tear it up and start again.

All that you say is true, but consider the consequences of such an election result. Not just the capital flight, massive money-printing programme and destruction of the economy, the Venezuela-like inflation and food rationing; no, consider also the number of personal freedoms they will stamp on. You think the police posting on twitter about hate crimes is worrying? Just wait until Abbott is making police policy.

[Burney]

All that you say is true, but consider the consequences of such an election result. Not just the capital flight, massive money-printing programme and destruction of the economy, the Venezuela-like inflation and food rationing; no, consider also the number of personal freedoms they will stamp on. You think the police posting on twitter about hate crimes is worrying? Just wait until Abbott is making police policy.

I'm simply too fvcking angry to care at the moment. I refuse to continue to endorse this consensus of cvnts.

[Sir C]

I'm simply too fvcking angry to care at the moment. I refuse to continue to endorse this consensus of cvnts.

Well cutting off your nose to spite your face is unlikely to improve your mood.

[Burney]

Well cutting off your nose to spite your face is unlikely to improve your mood.

What principled alternative is there? :shrug: Vote for a Tory party I fvcking despise and which is destroying the country slowly simply in order to keep out a Labour Party I despise and which will destroy the country quickly? What kind of choice is that?

No, sorry. I would rather forego my democratic 'privilege' thanks very much.

[eastgermanautos]

What principled alternative is there? :shrug: Vote for a Tory party I fvcking despise and which is destroying the country slowly simply in order to keep out a Labour Party I despise and which will destroy the country quickly? What kind of choice is that?

No, sorry. I would rather forego my democratic 'privilege' thanks very much.

What's the matter with the Tories? In five words or less for a non-limey.

[WES]

Yes. It's blowing a massive hole in the doctrine of globalism. It seems that a rampant United States is good for business regardless.

I'd suggest to you that the biggest winner this weekend was Putin. Not sure why any sane person thinks this is a good thing.

[Burney]

I'd suggest to you that the biggest winner this weekend was Putin. Not sure why any sane person thinks this is a good thing.

Ah, Putin! The globalists’ favourite bogeyman.

Here’s the secret about Putin that nobody wants to acknowledge - least of all him - but which Boris let slip the other day: Putin, with his obsolete military and economy the size of Australia’s, doesn’t actually matter. He’s irrelevant.

[WES]

Ah, Putin! The globalists’ favourite bogeyman.

Here’s the secret about Putin that nobody wants to acknowledge - least of all him - but which Boris let slip the other day: Putin, with his obsolete military and economy the size of Australia’s, doesn’t actually matter. He’s irrelevant.

I think you're overstating a truth. He does matter but falls more easily into the irritating category than the dangerous category. Unless, of course, you care about the Russian people themselves which I expect few people do.

The problem with Trump is that left to his own devices he could do something really stupid, and not just the infantile posturing which we've seen so far (and that sells really well in the US of A) but something really, really stupid i.e. an all out trade war, that would have a significant impact. So far the intelligent people around him have stopped him doing it but there's always the possibility that at some point they won't be able to or willing to control him.

In fact, two of his recent appointments seem as crazy as he is. We'll laugh at him and enjoy him until it happens, only.

[Sir C]

I think you're overstating a truth. He does matter but falls more easily into the irritating category than the dangerous category. Unless, of course, you care about the Russian people themselves which I expect few people do.

The problem with Trump is that left to his own devices he could do something really stupid, and not just the infantile posturing which we've seen so far (and that sells really well in the US of A) but something really, really stupid i.e. an all out trade war, that would have a significant impact. So far the intelligent people around him have stopped him doing it but there's always the possibility that at some point they won't be able to or willing to control him.

In fact, two of his recent appointments seem as crazy as he is. We'll laugh at him and enjoy him until it happens, only.

Wait, the day he was elected all you pansies were pissing your knickers because he was definitely going to start a nuclear war, invade Mexico, destroy the US economy, gas, or at best, deport all muslims and brown people and make homoing illegal. Oddly, none of that seems to have happened. Indeed, the US economy seems to be doing remarkably well, and far from nuclear wars happening, it would appear that North Korea is preparing to give a little.

Why, given the evidence to date, do you think he's going to do something 'really stupid'?

[Sir C]

What principled alternative is there? :shrug: Vote for a Tory party I fvcking despise and which is destroying the country slowly simply in order to keep out a Labour Party I despise and which will destroy the country quickly? What kind of choice is that?

No, sorry. I would rather forego my democratic 'privilege' thanks very much.

You've gone all Violet Elizabeth Bott there mate.

[Burney]

I think you're overstating a truth. He does matter but falls more easily into the irritating category than the dangerous category. Unless, of course, you care about the Russian people themselves which I expect few people do.

The problem with Trump is that left to his own devices he could do something really stupid, and not just the infantile posturing which we've seen so far (and that sells really well in the US of A) but something really, really stupid i.e. an all out trade war, that would have a significant impact. So far the intelligent people around him have stopped him doing it but there's always the possibility that at some point they won't be able to or willing to control him.

In fact, two of his recent appointments seem as crazy as he is. We'll laugh at him and enjoy him until it happens, only.

He’s very useful to the status quo merchants because every time electorates do something they don’t like, they can alternately blame Putin or suggest that he’s been made happy by what’s occcurred. It prevents them having to blame themselves and their terrible policies and is intended to scare the public into acquiescence. It doesn’t work.

Trump has many, glaring faults, but millions of people are looking at the mess his more ‘rational’ counterparts are making of pretty much everything and thinking they fancy a bit of that. That ought to give his critics pause for thought.

[Burney]

You've gone all Violet Elizabeth Bott there mate.

Because I don’t want to vote for a party that’s busily fúcking me over? That seems a pretty reasonable position to me. :shrug:

If our politicians are so keen to make clear to us that there is no point in voting because they’ll just do what they fúcking well like anyway, let them discover the consequences.

[WES]

Wait, the day he was elected all you pansies were pissing your knickers because he was definitely going to start a nuclear war, invade Mexico, destroy the US economy, gas, or at best, deport all muslims and brown people and make homoing illegal. Oddly, none of that seems to have happened. Indeed, the US economy seems to be doing remarkably well, and far from nuclear wars happening, it would appear that North Korea is preparing to give a little.

Why, given the evidence to date, do you think he's going to do something 'really stupid'?

I don't actually know anyone who said any of those things so there's no need for me to reply to your question.

And if you call me a pansy again (NTTAWWI) I shall be forced to physically abuse you. At some point. Maybe.

[Sir C]

I don't actually know anyone who said any of those things so there's no need for me to reply to your question.

And if you call me a pansy again (NTTAWWI) I shall be forced to physically abuse you. At some point. Maybe.

You just want to try to touch my bottom again, don't you?

[WES]

He’s very useful to the status quo merchants because every time electorates do something they don’t like, they can alternately blame Putin or suggest that he’s been made happy by what’s occcurred. It prevents them having to blame themselves and their terrible policies and is intended to scare the public into acquiescence. It doesn’t work.

Trump has many, glaring faults, but millions of people are looking at the mess his more ‘rational’ counterparts are making of pretty much everything and thinking they fancy a bit of that. That ought to give his critics pause for thought.

Some years ago I worked with a very intelligent German chap who tried to convert me to Scientology. He took me through why he became a Scientologist and after a few conversations it became apparent to me what they actually do. They can't 'fix' anything or actually make you any better so what they do is start by making it clear to you what a disaster your life is, how desperately unhappy you really are. If they've managed to do that, they have you. They then do very little other than point out how happy you are now, and you believe it at that point.

Trump does the same thing. He tries to convince everyone how terrible things were i.e. the trade deals that perfectly intelligent, competent people signed that have had positive impacts on many economies, and then claims to have fixed everything by doing very little that anyone else couldn't have or wouldn't have. Did Trump bring NK to the table? Or the fact that their people are starving and they recently blew up their nuclear testing facility? Is Britain really a terrible place? Is the EU really collapsing?

No, of course not. Trump is much like Putin, less dangerous than anyone thinks but always irritating. The difference is that as the owner of the largest economy and strongest military in the world there is always the chance etc etc

It's the people around him that concern me, Burney. That national security adviser has a long record of being borderline psycho and xenophone of the highest order. Trump is fine as long as the people around him are.

[Burney]

Some years ago I worked with a very intelligent German chap who tried to convert me to Scientology. He took me through why he became a Scientologist and after a few conversations it became apparent to me what they actually do. They can't 'fix' anything or actually make you any better so what they do is start by making it clear to you what a disaster your life is, how desperately unhappy you really are. If they've managed to do that, they have you. They then do very little other than point out how happy you are now, and you believe it at that point.

Trump does the same thing. He tries to convince everyone how terrible things were i.e. the trade deals that perfectly intelligent, competent people signed that have had positive impacts on many economies, and then claims to have fixed everything by doing very little that anyone else couldn't have or wouldn't have. Did Trump bring NK to the table? Or the fact that their people are starving and they recently blew up their nuclear testing facility? Is Britain really a terrible place? Is the EU really collapsing?

No, of course not. Trump is much like Putin, less dangerous than anyone thinks but always irritating. The difference is that as the owner of the largest economy and strongest military in the world there is always the chance etc etc

It's the people around him that concern me, Burney. That national security adviser has a long record of being borderline psycho and xenophone of the highest order. Trump is fine as long as the people around him are.

What you've described there is every democratic politician who seeks election ever.

Btw, a 'xenophone'? Someone who refuses to speak a foreign language or a huge fan of 'Anabasis'?

Did you know the film 'The Warriors' was based on Anabasis?

Do you even know what Anabasis is? :-\

[Sir C]

What you've described there is every democratic politician who seeks election ever.

Btw, a 'xenophone'? Someone who refuses to speak a foreign language or a huge fan of 'Anabasis'?

Did you know the film 'The Warriors' was based on Anabasis?

Do you even know what Anabasis is? :-\

It sounds like something that should have been in Lucky's speech. 'divine athambia, divine aphasia, divine apathia, divine anabasia..'

[Peter]

Because I don’t want to vote for a party that’s busily fúcking me over? That seems a pretty reasonable position to me. :shrug:

If our politicians are so keen to make clear to us that there is no point in voting because they’ll just do what they fúcking well like anyway, let them discover the consequences.

What consequences are these?

[Burney]

What consequences are these?

The destruction of faith in the democratic process.

[Burney]

It sounds like something that should have been in Lucky's speech. 'divine athambia, divine aphasia, divine apathia, divine anabasia..'

No. It was a bunch of Greek mercenaries leaving Persia and battering absolutely everyone in the process.

[Sir C]

No. It was a bunch of Greek mercenaries leaving Persia and battering absolutely everyone in the process.

Who can remember which bunch of Greeks battered which bunch of Persians or Macedonians or Phoenicians or Christ knows what.

Dullest. Wars. Ever.

[Peter]

The destruction of faith in the democratic process.

Why would a politician care about that? It largely already exists and is largely in their interests.

Unless you are suggesting something akin to armed insurrection.....??

[Burney]

Why would a politician care about that? It largely already exists and is largely in their interests.

Unless you are suggesting something akin to armed insurrection.....??

Politicians will only care if they are made to care. Whether by losing their seats, losing their power or being strung up from lampposts.

All these options suit me.

[Burney]

Who can remember which bunch of Greeks battered which bunch of Persians or Macedonians or Phoenicians or Christ knows what.

Dullest. Wars. Ever.

If you think Herodotus is dull, you should try Thucydides and his Peloponnesian wars. :yikes:

[Peter]

Politicians will only care if they are made to care. Whether by losing their seats, losing their power or being strung up from lampposts.

All these options suit me.

Well, our system doesn't allow for a Trump, does it. So lampposts does seem to be the only option.

I have seen you morph into an arch democrat, that was weird enough. Now you seem to be pushing towards Guy Fawkes.

[Burney]

Well, our system doesn't allow for a Trump, does it. So lampposts does seem to be the only option.

I have seen you morph into an arch democrat, that was weird enough. Now you seem to be pushing towards Guy Fawkes.

I get very angry when politicians forget who they work for, p. Sometimes they need their necks stretching to remind them.

[Peter]

I get very angry when politicians forget who they work for, p. Sometimes they need their necks stretching to remind them.

THey work for Her Majesty...... you just get to pay their (and her) wages.....

[WES]

What you've described there is every democratic politician who seeks election ever.

Btw, a 'xenophone'? Someone who refuses to speak a foreign language or a huge fan of 'Anabasis'?

Did you know the film 'The Warriors' was based on Anabasis?

Do you even know what Anabasis is? :-\

Nonsense, certainly in terms of degrees anyway. Have I ever heard a politician stand in front of the media and say something like 'every one of these trade agreements signed by all these people before me were terrible and I'm going to fix it'?

Nope. Not once. Ever. He is very much nothing like every democratic politician who has ever sought election ever.

And the b is next to the n on the keyboard, so sue me. :shrug:

[The Insider]

He's got Merkel and Trudeau speechless and impotent, he's got De Niro and woke Hollywood having an utter wetty, and there's every chance he's going to end the Korean war. All in one weekend.

The man is a genius.

Surely to be a genius, he needs to get Rocket Man down to Orchard Towers and go all the way to the top floor with him!

[eastgermanautos]

What you've described there is every democratic politician who seeks election ever.

Btw, a 'xenophone'? Someone who refuses to speak a foreign language or a huge fan of 'Anabasis'?

Did you know the film 'The Warriors' was based on Anabasis?

Do you even know what Anabasis is? :-\

Everybody knows that about The Warriors, dumbsh!t. You still haven't responded as to why you dislike the Tories. I'd have thought they suited your pro-business outlook.

[Sir C]

Surely to be a genius, he needs to get Rocket Man down to Orchard Towers and go all the way to the top floor with him!

I don’t th8nk our friend Kim goes short of sideways fanny, do you the insider?

[Burney]

I don’t th8nk our friend Kim goes short of sideways fanny, do you the insider?

Does it go left or right?