So, Wenger was ridiculed for suggesting that 4th place was a trophy. You now have

[Peter]

Spurs playing suggesting it is actually better than a trophy.

Just saying.....

[Monty92]

Spurs playing suggesting it is actually better than a trophy.

Just saying.....

I think the point that I, in the past, and now Spurs fans are making, is that 4th place is not in and of itself better than a trophy. But if you are able to effectively use the undeniable prestige and financial rewards of competing in the CL to help you progress footballistically as a club (heck, perhaps even win the thing), then it is of course better than winning a domestic cup, which does precisely nothing to help you push on as a club.

People always willfully misunderstood this argument and claimed it showed a) lack of ambition or b) a greater concern with the club's balance sheet than on-field success.

People like you, in fact. Until now, curiously...

[Sir C]

I think the point that I, in the past, and now Spurs fans are making, is that 4th place is not in and of itself better than a trophy. But if you are able to effectively use the undeniable prestige and financial rewards of competing in the CL to help you progress footballistically as a club (heck, perhaps even win the thing), then it is of course better than winning a domestic cup, which does precisely nothing to help you push on as a club.

People always willfully misunderstood this argument and claimed it showed a) lack of ambition or b) a greater concern with the club's balance sheet than on-field success.

People like you, in fact. Until now, curiously...

Do you have a preference for the new manager? I'm very much hoping for Brendon Rodgers, personally.

O. Kee.

[Peter]

I think the point that I, in the past, and now Spurs fans are making, is that 4th place is not in and of itself better than a trophy. But if you are able to effectively use the undeniable prestige and financial rewards of competing in the CL to help you progress footballistically as a club (heck, perhaps even win the thing), then it is of course better than winning a domestic cup, which does precisely nothing to help you push on as a club.

People always willfully misunderstood this argument and claimed it showed a) lack of ambition or b) a greater concern with the club's balance sheet than on-field success.

People like you, in fact. Until now, curiously...

Not this time, I'm afraid. I always appreciated that 4th place was more important for the club than the FA Cup even if it was just for the financial reasons. I wanted a cup as well, and was very happy the first time we won it. However, it remains a good day out and little more.

My point here is not that Wenger was wrong. It is that he was ridiculed for saying it. I suppose it is really just that we are judged by a different standard to Spurs, for obvious reasons.....

[Monty92]

Do you have a preference for the new manager? I'm very much hoping for Brendon Rodgers, personally.

O. Kee.

I remember being ridiculed on Awimb for suggesting I'd quite like him when he was at Liverpool. I have a vague memory that LA eventually agreed with me, after calling me a big nosed **** several times in succession, natch.

I want Paddy V. I know he'll probably be totally fúcking useless, but I cannot bear the idea of us becoming Just Another Club that goes from manager to manager every three years. Without a manager whose identity is bound up with the club, the magic is totally gone, for me, Clive :-(

[Peter]

I remember being ridiculed on Awimb for suggesting I'd quite like him when he was at Liverpool. I have a vague memory that LA eventually agreed with me, after calling me a big nosed **** several times in succession, natch.

I want Paddy V. I know he'll probably be totally fúcking useless, but I cannot bear the idea of us becoming Just Another Club that goes from manager to manager every three years. Without a manager whose identity is bound up with the club, the magic is totally gone, for me, Clive :-(

So you wouldn't fancy just hiring one of the standard big names- an Ancelotti or similar for a two year stint?

I think it will be quite interesting to see how the new role is being interpreted. Clearly it wont be the almost total control that Wenger had but equally I am not comfortable with a situation where your head coach is merely one of many heads of department and is considered as expendable as a head of negotiation.

[Sir C]

I remember being ridiculed on Awimb for suggesting I'd quite like him when he was at Liverpool. I have a vague memory that LA eventually agreed with me, after calling me a big nosed **** several times in succession, natch.

I want Paddy V. I know he'll probably be totally fúcking useless, but I cannot bear the idea of us becoming Just Another Club that goes from manager to manager every three years. Without a manager whose identity is bound up with the club, the magic is totally gone, for me, Clive :-(

:shrug: But we are Just Another Club. We've done it now. We've sacked our greatest ever manager to appease dribbling, entitled ****s whose views should have no bearing whatsoever on decisions taken by the board.

We're no better than Leicester. That's what comes of selling out to the Yanqui.

Vieira? You daft big-nosed ****.

[Peter]

:shrug: But we are Just Another Club. We've done it now. We've sacked our greatest ever manager to appease dribbling, entitled ****s whose views should have no bearing whatsoever on decisions taken by the board.

We're no better than Leicester. That's what comes of selling out to the Yanqui.

Vieira? You daft big-nosed ****.

No, we sacked our greatest manager because performance was dropping across the board and there were no reasons to believe it would change. If it were about dribbling, entitled ****s we would have sacked him years ago.

[IUFG]

No, we sacked our greatest manager because performance was dropping across the board and there were no reasons to believe it would change. If it were about dribbling, entitled ****s we would have sacked him years ago.

:nod:

If you always do what you've always done...etc. And what Arsene keeps doing is no longer satisfactory.

SC - do you actually think we should keep AW?

It's time to go! :claude:

[Sir C]

:nod:

If you always do what you've always done...etc. And what Arsene keeps doing is no longer satisfactory.

SC - do you actually think we should keep AW?

It's time to go! :claude:

I can't hear you lalalalalalalala!

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

I think the point that I, in the past, and now Spurs fans are making, is that 4th place is not in and of itself better than a trophy. But if you are able to effectively use the undeniable prestige and financial rewards of competing in the CL to help you progress footballistically as a club (heck, perhaps even win the thing), then it is of course better than winning a domestic cup, which does precisely nothing to help you push on as a club.

People always willfully misunderstood this argument and claimed it showed a) lack of ambition or b) a greater concern with the club's balance sheet than on-field success.

People like you, in fact. Until now, curiously...

like you because you're a big-nosed ****. I love you like a son myself

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

I remember being ridiculed on Awimb for suggesting I'd quite like him when he was at Liverpool. I have a vague memory that LA eventually agreed with me, after calling me a big nosed **** several times in succession, natch.

I want Paddy V. I know he'll probably be totally fúcking useless, but I cannot bear the idea of us becoming Just Another Club that goes from manager to manager every three years. Without a manager whose identity is bound up with the club, the magic is totally gone, for me, Clive :-(

I want Paddy too. Just for the monstrous rendition of the old Vieira song that will accompany his first appearance at The ArabBowl. He will be an abject failure of course.

[SWv2]

Spurs playing suggesting it is actually better than a trophy.

Just saying.....

Did you see the silly old **** lifting that trophy over his head last week when Pat Rice handed it to him.

So sad.

[Chief Arrowhead]

Did you see the silly old **** lifting that trophy over his head last week when Pat Rice handed it to him.

So sad.

Most appropriate would have been a long, puffy coat with velcro instead of a zipper.

[7sisters]

No, we sacked our greatest manager because performance was dropping across the board and there were no reasons to believe it would change. If it were about dribbling, entitled ****s we would have sacked him years ago.

Indeed. Of course speaking as a dribbling spastic, he really should have gone years a go. It's only the pandering and simpering that's kept him in his position. Any progress we could have made with a new manager has stalled on account of our dithering board.
It's football management at the highest level and isn't it meant to be a bit, well, ruthless ? The fact that the rest of the world change managers every few years is all a part of preventing the type of stagnation that's set in to the point of rigor mortis at our place.
The final slap in the face with the halibut resulting in the entirely predictable season we've just had.
It's power you see, people just won't relinquish it any cost, nor does it ever occur to them that perhaps someone else could do their jobs better.

[Tony C]

Think the ridicule was more for the fact the team was capable of so much more.