I didn't like yesterday. I thought it should be a more celebratory experience

[Pat Vegas]

But Wenger has said some things that won't go down well.

I trust the board to do the right thing here but I have a feeling it's going to be a massive cock up in recent Arsenal style.

[Burney]

But Wenger has said some things that won't go down well.

I trust the board to do the right thing here but I have a feeling it's going to be a massive cock up in recent Arsenal style.

I don't see any reason why Wenger shouldn't make clear his feelings about the way large numbers of supporters have behaved. :shrug:

If these pricks don't like having a mirror held up to their behaviour, maybe they should try not being spoilt, entitled little cvnts in the first place?

[Sir C]

But Wenger has said some things that won't go down well.

I trust the board to do the right thing here but I have a feeling it's going to be a massive cock up in recent Arsenal style.

I think the number of YOM-types is generally underestimated.

Cócks, to a man.

[Pat Vegas]

I don't see any reason why Wenger shouldn't make clear his feelings about the way large numbers of supporters have behaved. :shrug:

If these pricks don't like having a mirror held up to their behaviour, maybe they should try not being spoilt, entitled little cvnts in the first place?

It's all gone to far. is it beyond repair.
Whoever comes in will get the same treatment.

[Burney]

I think the number of YOM-types is generally underestimated.

Cócks, to a man.

Can you imagine how this lot would have reacted to the appointment of someone like Wenger in the first place?

They'd have been baying for blood that this speccy French nobody who'd just come from the Japanese league had been appointed. They'd have been calling for his head before he'd even arrived.

[IUFG]

It's all gone to far. is it beyond repair.
Whoever comes in will get the same treatment.

Whoever comes in has to make sure that things look different on the pitch.

If they shore up the defence and we actually have a decent tilt at winning the league title.

That is all that matters to most fans.

If the only thing that the new manager does is drop Iwobi, that'll be fine by me. Christ, he was shít again yesterday.

[Pat Vegas]

first things first.

Get Arsenal to take legal action for 'Arsenal Fan TV using the name arsenal'

[7sisters]

I don't see any reason why Wenger shouldn't make clear his feelings about the way large numbers of supporters have behaved. :shrug:

If these pricks don't like having a mirror held up to their behaviour, maybe they should try not being spoilt, entitled little cvnts in the first place?

There is a line to be drawn here, of course. Events that affect change invariably involve a period of unpleasantness. On the one side, bellowing abuse is unacceptable but, a half empty stadium will surely have an impact on sponsors and ultimately, the board.
Wenger's moans of disunity I find, spoilt and a bit odd. A consistent poor run of form, which has further accelerated this year, is hardly a template for togetherness and well being.

[Peter]

Can you imagine how this lot would have reacted to the appointment of someone like Wenger in the first place?

They'd have been baying for blood that this speccy French nobody who'd just come from the Japanese league had been appointed. They'd have been calling for his head before he'd even arrived.

I think all of that has been hugely overplayed. I am not expert on european football but I kinds who Arsene Wenger was and I knew he wasnt 'some bloke from Japan'.

He was mentioned in the papers fairly regularly,having a quite high profile job with Monaco and his name tended to leap off the page as it was similar to Arsenal.

[Burney]

There is a line to be drawn here, of course. Events that affect change invariably involve a period of unpleasantness. On the one side, bellowing abuse is unacceptable but, a half empty stadium will surely have an impact on sponsors and ultimately, the board.
Wenger's moans of disunity I find, spoilt and a bit odd. A consistent poor run of form, which has further accelerated this year, is hardly a template for togetherness and well being.

These people were agitating against him when we were qualifying for the CL and winning FA Cups. I think when it comes to accusations of being 'spoilt', people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Wenger has a perfect right to point out how poisonous they've made the last few years.

[Burney]

first things first.

Get Arsenal to take legal action for 'Arsenal Fan TV using the name arsenal'

Why not just ban those fvcking retards from the ground? If you appear on Arsenal Fan TV, you should be banned for life.

[World's End Stella]

I think all of that has been hugely overplayed. I am not expert on european football but I kinds who Arsene Wenger was and I knew he wasnt 'some bloke from Japan'.

He was mentioned in the papers fairly regularly,having a quite high profile job with Monaco and his name tended to leap off the page as it was similar to Arsenal.

I had never heard of this bloke from Hoffenheim until a few weeks ago as I am not a deviant.

However having read a few reports on him I would be more than happy to see him get a chance. I expect most supporters would. :shrug:

[Sir C]

Can you imagine how this lot would have reacted to the appointment of someone like Wenger in the first place?

They'd have been baying for blood that this speccy French nobody who'd just come from the Japanese league had been appointed. They'd have been calling for his head before he'd even arrived.

There's a part of me hoping for Brendan Rodgers and 5 years of truly mediocre, to teach them a lesson.

[Burney]

I think all of that has been hugely overplayed. I am not expert on european football but I kinds who Arsene Wenger was and I knew he wasnt 'some bloke from Japan'.

He was mentioned in the papers fairly regularly,having a quite high profile job with Monaco and his name tended to leap off the page as it was similar to Arsenal.

I'd never heard of him. And neither - by their own admission - had most of the players. Ditto the media.

You were clearly much more ITK, p.

[Monty92]

There is a line to be drawn here, of course. Events that affect change invariably involve a period of unpleasantness. On the one side, bellowing abuse is unacceptable but, a half empty stadium will surely have an impact on sponsors and ultimately, the board.
Wenger's moans of disunity I find, spoilt and a bit odd. A consistent poor run of form, which has further accelerated this year, is hardly a template for togetherness and well being.

"Wenger's moans of disunity" Have you actually read how utterly mild and uncontentious his actual quotes were?

[Burney]

There's a part of me hoping for Brendan Rodgers and 5 years of truly mediocre, to teach them a lesson.

I said exactly the same thing this weekend. I've gone from horror at the idea of Brendan Rodgers to actually wanting it to happen.

[Sir C]

"Wenger's moans of disunity" Have you actually read how utterly mild and uncontentious his actual quotes were?

Blind hatred doesn't allow for reason.

[Burney]

"Wenger's moans of disunity" Have you actually read how utterly mild and uncontentious his actual quotes were?

The rank hypocrisy here is all too typical of these people. They spend years calling Wenger every foul name under the sun, abusing him while he's trying to do his work, describing him as 'senile', 'incompetent' or organising marches against him or banners behind aeroplanes on high-profile occasions that do nothing but damage the reputation of the club and make us a laughing stock and cannot but undermine the performance of the team and think that's fine.

But Wenger points out in the mildest terms the negative impact such behaviour has had and these people are clutching their pearls and accusing him of behaving badly. Scum.

[Luis Anaconda]

I'd never heard of him. And neither - by their own admission - had most of the players. Ditto the media.

You were clearly much more ITK, p.

I suppose it wouldn't help to point out that I had heard of him then :) He was actually strongly linked with a job at the FA a year or so before he joined us

[IUFG]

I suppose it wouldn't help to point out that I had heard of him then :) He was actually strongly linked with a job at the FA a year or so before he joined us

you dirty pervert, la

[Burney]

I suppose it wouldn't help to point out that I had heard of him then :) He was actually strongly linked with a job at the FA a year or so before he joined us

Yeah, I don't think you're really typical, la. In the nicest possible way, of course.

[redgunamo]

But Wenger has said some things that won't go down well.

I trust the board to do the right thing here but I have a feeling it's going to be a massive cock up in recent Arsenal style.

The mood seems to have been about right, imo. More or less as expected. After all, many are disappointed that Wenger is leaving after all, many again will be feeling equally let down that they failed to hound Him out.

The club can be satisfied we've managed the transition pretty well. So far. The tricky bit is done and there only remains the far less taxing question of who to choose as His replacement.

Well done, Wenger, and well done everyone else.

[Burney]

The mood seems to have been about right, imo. More or less as expected. After all, many are disappointed that Wenger is leaving after all, many again will be feeling equally let down that they failed to hound Him out.

The club can be satisfied we've managed the transition pretty well. So far. The tricky bit is done and there only remains the far less taxing question of who to choose as His replacement.

Well done, Wenger, and well done everyone else.

It can't be anyone with PL management experience. They'd come with too much baggage.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

I found the joy felt by Claude at the news of Wenger stepping down particularly uncomfortable

[redgunamo]

It can't be anyone with PL management experience. They'd come with too much baggage.

No, the point is, it doesn't actually matter who it is. He (or she) will be just another football manager and, equally, we shall have become just another football club :-\

[Burney]

No, the point is, it doesn't actually matter who it is. He (or she) will be just another football manager and, equally, we shall have become just another football club :-\

Oh, I'm resigned to that now. That process started when we sold to Kroenke. This is just the final nail in the coffin.

[Peter]

I suppose it wouldn't help to point out that I had heard of him then :) He was actually strongly linked with a job at the FA a year or so before he joined us

I am no expert on european football (I have made that clear over the years) but I had heard of him. How can. You miss a story with a word in it that starts Arsene.....

Either way, he wasnt a 'bloke from Japan'.....he had a very successful career at Monaco.

The issue was a big club appointing a foreign manager. And it turned out it was rather a good idea ifyou get the right one....

[Burney]

I am no expert on european football (I have made that clear over the years) but I had heard of him. How can. You miss a story with a word in it that starts Arsene.....

Either way, he wasnt a 'bloke from Japan'.....he had a very successful career at Monaco.

The issue was a big club appointing a foreign manager. And it turned out it was rather a good idea ifyou get the right one....

Sorry, p, but you saying you'd heard of him does not alter the fact that most people hadn't. This is why you had headlines like 'Arsene Who?' and pieces like this spectacularly silly piece by Matthew Norman in which he describes AW as 'a Frenchman from Japan with a funny foreign name'. I'm not saying such ignorance was laudable, but it was very much general and very much real.

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[Peter]

Sorry, p, but you saying you'd heard of him does not alter the fact that most people hadn't. This is why you had headlines like 'Arsene Who?' and pieces like this spectacularly silly piece by Matthew Norman in which he describes AW as 'a Frenchman from Japan with a funny foreign name'. I'm not saying such ignorance was laudable, but it was very much general and very much real.

http://www.thearsenalhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/1996-08-15-Evening-Standard-1.jpg

I think I am just saying it was pretty ignorant. There were constant references (even from Sir Alex) to him having 'come from JApan' when actually he had been managing a very successful european side and was quite well known in Europe.

[AFC East]

There's a part of me hoping for Brendan Rodgers and 5 years of truly mediocre, to teach them a lesson.

Almost all of me is hoping for that.

[Peter]

Almost all of me is hoping for that.

That really is an odd thing for an Arsenal fan to say....

[AFC East]

That really is an odd thing for an Arsenal fan to say....

I did say almost all. As Burney has noted, what was Arsenal to older fans has pretty much died now. Arsenal Fan TV is more representative than the 'values' we used to have.

[Burney]

I did say almost all. As Burney has noted, what was Arsenal to older fans has pretty much died now. Arsenal Fan TV is more representative than the 'values' we used to have.

:nod: Spot on. I think for a lot of us who no longer feel as attached (and even less so now that AW's going), there is a desire to see the fans who've been baying for his departure get what they deserve.

[SWv2]

I did say almost all. As Burney has noted, what was Arsenal to older fans has pretty much died now. Arsenal Fan TV is more representative than the 'values' we used to have.


That is modern football AFCE, not just Arsenal Football Club.

We simply could not stand still with our board of Old Etonian bankers. The change at the club began 20 years ago or more with Fizsman and Dein coming on board.

Arsenal Fan TV is nothing to do with values, it is just a footballing manifestation of modern life and social media. Pig thick shít****s are celebrities despite having no talent or appeal.

That pirate **** in the crowd, a decade ago you had that beret **** in the crowd. Now you have a fat **** who stands outside the ground waiting to interview actual retards for no other reason than the fact they are retards. All desperate for their wee moment in the media spotlight.

[Peter]

I did say almost all. As Burney has noted, what was Arsenal to older fans has pretty much died now. Arsenal Fan TV is more representative than the 'values' we used to have.

I am sure I am almost as old as the two of you (I think I am a bit older than Burney).

I grew up with the old Arsenal of Hill-Woods, bank of england club and footballing mediocrity. But then George Graham appeared and I have been hooked on the idea ever since that Arsenal being good is a wonderful thing.

[redgunamo]

:nod: Spot on. I think for a lot of us who no longer feel as attached (and even less so now that AW's going), there is a desire to see the fans who've been baying for his departure get what they deserve.

T'other way about, I'd have thought? Without AW, that change may never have occurred. Anyway, not so swiftly and comprehensively.

[Burney]

I am sure I am almost as old as the two of you (I think I am a bit older than Burney).

I grew up with the old Arsenal of Hill-Woods, bank of england club and footballing mediocrity. But then George Graham appeared and I have been hooked on the idea ever since that Arsenal being good is a wonderful thing.

But we became a force for evil under GG, p.

Granted it was quite amusing to be the pantomime villains at times, but we were awful between 1991 and 1995.

[Burney]

T'other way about, I'd have thought? Without AW, that change may never have occurred. Anyway, not so swiftly and comprehensively.

Sure, but AW managed change rather than drove it, I think.

[IUFG]

I am sure I am almost as old as the two of you (I think I am a bit older than Burney).

I grew up with the old Arsenal of Hill-Woods, bank of england club and footballing mediocrity. But then George Graham appeared and I have been hooked on the idea ever since that Arsenal being good is a wonderful thing.

Being good?

1992-93

Finished 10th. 7 points above the last relegated team.

Tone lifted two cups, dropped one Morrow :cloud9:

That was a pretty successful campaign despite us being very average all season, istr.

[redgunamo]

Sure, but AW managed change rather than drove it, I think.

No, we decided money was the way forward, as opposed to old-fashioned "values" or what-ever-have-you, and got AW in precisely because, for one thing, He knew where all the cheap foreigners were hidden. Without Him, we wouldn't have/couldn't have done it; we may have been merely content with our lot and carried on as before, waiting for the Chinese to catch on and pay us billions.

You can't have it both ways by painting Him as a victim of our lost or transformed values; He himself was the key agent of that change. He had met and had become friends with David Dein some years before we made Him manager, don't forget.

[Burney]

No, we decided money was the way forward, as opposed to old-fashioned "values" or what-ever-have-you, and got AW in precisely because, for one thing, He knew where all the cheap foreigners were hidden. Without Him, we wouldn't have/couldn't have done it; we may have been merely content with our lot and carried on as before, waiting for the Chinese to catch on and pay us billions.

You can't have it both ways by painting Him as a victim of our lost or transformed values; He himself was the key agent of that change. He had met and had become friends with David Dein some years before we made Him manager, don't forget.

I don't deny he wanted change. However, nobody in their right mind could possibly believe that the changes he's seen are what he would have wanted. We were once a club with a very distinct culture and ethos (which he valued) and now we're just a corporate cash cow being ruthlessly milked by a foreign absentee landlord with the help of his bland yes men.

It's a bad business.

[redgunamo]

I don't deny he wanted change. However, nobody in their right mind could possibly believe that the changes he's seen are what he would have wanted. We were once a club with a very distinct culture and ethos (which he valued) and now we're just a corporate cash cow being ruthlessly milked by a foreign absentee landlord with the help of his bland yes men.

It's a bad business.

You make Him sound terribly naive. Surely He would've seen all that as inevitable, indeed desirable. Or do they give you economics degrees in Elsaß for collecting enough Kronenbourg bottle tops :shrug:

Actually, don't answer that. It's France, after all.

[IUFG]

You make Him sound terribly naive. Surely He would've seen all that as inevitable, indeed desirable. Or do they give you economics degrees in Elsaß by collecting Kronenbourg bottle tops :shrug:

Actually, don't answer that. It's France, after all.

Arsene got sucked into the corporate machine didn't he? £10m per annum?

Or was that his plan all along..? :sherlock:

[redgunamo]

Arsene got sucked into the corporate machine didn't he? £10m per annum?

Or was that his plan all along..? :sherlock:

Typical French MO really; wreak havoc, loot the place, make off with the swag, deny any responsibility; blame the British #YuanmingYuan

[Luis Anaconda]

Typical French MO really; wreak havoc, loot the place, make off with the swag, deny any responsibility; blame the British #YuanmingYuan
Yeah but great wine and fit women - we can forgive them a lot

[redgunamo]

Yeah but great wine and fit women - we can forgive them a lot

Absolutely. Quite right.

[Burney]

You make Him sound terribly naive. Surely He would've seen all that as inevitable, indeed desirable. Or do they give you economics degrees in Elsaß for collecting enough Kronenbourg bottle tops :shrug:

Actually, don't answer that. It's France, after all.

In many ways, he is naive. He believes in honour and works in football. You don't get much more naive than that.

[redgunamo]

In many ways, he is naive. He believes in honour and works in football. You don't get much more naive than that.

That's why I never really warmed to Him, I think. The wider question of "honour" for Him was entirely personal and nothing to do with the Arsenal Football Club. He is a professional, rather like those awfully tragic chaps in Michael Mann films. And I do not mean that as a compliment.

He did a fantastic job for us; we shan't see His like again.

[Yesterday Once More]

Oh dear, oh dear......how the AKBs are whining. I can't imagine who they get it from.

If he wants to blame the behaviour of large sections of the fanbase for the fact that he has been held to account for his mismanagement and underachievement many, many years after he should have been then that's his prerogative. Sticks and stones, and all that. The main thing is he has gone, at long last.

Where you are wrong is to say that I or many others who have campaigned relentlessly for this outcome will not give the new manager a chance. Of course we will. While Kronke is at the helm (and in charge of the pursestrings) whoever takes charge will have an uphill struggle, but I hope for the club's sake he is more willing to use the resources that are made available to him than Wenger was for the past 8-10 years.

[Luis Anaconda]

Oh dear, oh dear......how the AKBs are whining. I can't imagine who they get it from.

If he wants to blame the behaviour of large sections of the fanbase for the fact that he has been held to account for his mismanagement and underachievement many, many years after he should have been then that's his prerogative. Sticks and stones, and all that. The main thing is he has gone, at long last.

Where you are wrong is to say that I or many others who have campaigned relentlessly for this outcome will not give the new manager a chance. Of course we will. While Kronke is at the helm (and in charge of the pursestrings) whoever takes charge will have an uphill struggle, but I hope for the club's sake he is more willing to use the resources that are made available to him than Wenger was for the past 8-10 years.

Imagine if we were able to compete for the likes of Michael Keane and Sandro :banghead: