People seem to be getting cross about Enoch Powell all over again.

[Burney]

Poor old Enoch. Didn't really deserve to be turned into the bogeyman he was.

[Sir C]

Poor old Enoch. Didn't really deserve to be turned into the bogeyman he was.

It surprises me, when you listen to that speech, that he didn't moderate his language somewhat. Even for the time in question, it wasn't the sentiment that was so shocking, but the intemperate language - and Enoch had a brain the size of a planet; he must have known that his choice of words would cause quite the stir.

[SWv2]

Poor old Enoch. Didn't really deserve to be turned into the bogeyman he was.

What sort of fúcking name is Enoch?

[Sir C]

What sort of fúcking name is Enoch?

It's a biblical name you godless fúcking heathen.

[Burney]

It's a biblical name you godless fúcking heathen.

They're not allowed to read the bible themselves, remember. The priest has to do that for them or they go to hell.

[SWv2]

It's a biblical name you godless fúcking heathen.

Your bully boy tactics won’t work with me pal.

[Burney]

It surprises me, when you listen to that speech, that he didn't moderate his language somewhat. Even for the time in question, it wasn't the sentiment that was so shocking, but the intemperate language - and Enoch had a brain the size of a planet; he must have known that his choice of words would cause quite the stir.

True, but he was rather naive, I think.

The thing is that it was very well received by the public at large. The people who got their knick-knocks in a twist were the media and political establishment. Everyone else thought he had a point.

Of course he's turned out to be a bit of a Cassandra. Albeit one who'd identified the wrong threat.

[Sir C]

They're not allowed to read the bible themselves, remember. The priest has to do that for them or they go to hell.

I suppose they'd consider the old testament dangerously jewish, as well.

They have no love for jews, the paddies. None whatsoever. Mind you, they're not keen on any ethnic group really, are they?

Germans, micks and socialists - what a charming collection of racists that is.

[Peter]

It surprises me, when you listen to that speech, that he didn't moderate his language somewhat. Even for the time in question, it wasn't the sentiment that was so shocking, but the intemperate language - and Enoch had a brain the size of a planet; he must have known that his choice of words would cause quite the stir.

Causing quite the stir was the entire point of the speech.

[Sir C]

True, but he was rather naive, I think.

The thing is that it was very well received by the public at large. The people who got their knick-knocks in a twist were the media and political establishment. Everyone else thought he had a point.

Of course he's turned out to be a bit of a Cassandra. Albeit one who'd identified the wrong threat.

Making the point that important a 'different' culture in a massive way extremely quickly is likely to cause some social issues strikes me as remarkably sensible and not a little obvious. He had to go and get all 'bloody' about it.

[Sir C]

Your bully boy tactics won’t work with me pal.

Why don't you gang up with peter and have a go at monty? Go on, you know you want to.

Kill the jesus-killer!

[Sir C]

Causing quite the stir was the entire point of the speech.

Yes, insofar as he wanted a conversation to be had. But 'causing a stir' in the sense of 'destroying his career and credibility' probably wanted his desired outcome.

[Peter]

Yes, insofar as he wanted a conversation to be had. But 'causing a stir' in the sense of 'destroying his career and credibility' probably wanted his desired outcome.

The true cost was infamy, and some rather dubious supporters. As you say, he was a rather clever man. whatever language he had used this was going to make him a hugely controversial politician. He cant have not known that.

[SWv2]

I suppose they'd consider the old testament dangerously jewish, as well.

They have no love for jews, the paddies. None whatsoever. Mind you, they're not keen on any ethnic group really, are they?

Germans, micks and socialists - what a charming collection of racists that is.

There is a synagogue or whatever in Terenure and from what I can see they are left to go about their business without abuse or threat to their lives.

Essentially, and as we do for all minorities in life ethnic or whatever, we stand back and say WD the Jews.

Funny looking ****ers all the same, they all dress as if it is 1972 and not even in an ironic way like the lads in the Pyg.

[PSRB]

They're not allowed to read the bible themselves, remember. The priest has to do that for them or they go to hell.

Under the covers by torchlight

[Burney]

Making the point that important a 'different' culture in a massive way extremely quickly is likely to cause some social issues strikes me as remarkably sensible and not a little obvious. He had to go and get all 'bloody' about it.

The Rivers of Blood bit isn't the bit modern lefties get cross about, though. They hate the bit about the black man 'holding the whip hand' over the white man (with its implicit suggestion that things ought naturally to be the other way around) that grinds their gears.

[SWv2]

Why don't you gang up with peter and have a go at monty? Go on, you know you want to.

Kill the jesus-killer!

I have never at any time displayed anything less than complete cultural respect for Monty.

Indeed I was sat in the Brownswood Tavern having a few pints pre-match once when they all came round the corner with their beards and wide brimmed hats, I was just about to go out and invite them in for beers just on the off chance one of them was our very own big nose.

Pedro has his own reasons to dislike them for which I cannot answer.

[Sir C]

I have never at any time displayed anything less than complete cultural respect for Monty.

Indeed I was sat in the Brownswood Tavern having a few pints pre-match once when they all came round the corner with their beards and wide brimmed hats, I was just about to go out and invite them in for beers just on the off chance one of them was our very own big nose.

Pedro has his own reasons to dislike them for which I cannot answer.

They often chuck up something appalling, apparently. It's a result of wearing heavy woollen clothing in warm weather and not washing so often.

Dirty *******s.

[Peter]

I have never at any time displayed anything less than complete cultural respect for Monty.

Indeed I was sat in the Brownswood Tavern having a few pints pre-match once when they all came round the corner with their beards and wide brimmed hats, I was just about to go out and invite them in for beers just on the off chance one of them was our very own big nose.

Pedro has his own reasons to dislike them for which I cannot answer.

Control of global banking and the media :nod: