I wonder if the Tories are tempted to call another general election?

[Sir C]

Now would be a good time to ask the majority of Labour MPs whether they are prepared to campaign for Our Jeremy to be PM...

[PSRB]

Now would be a good time to ask the majority of Labour MPs whether they are prepared to campaign for Our Jeremy to be PM...

On the basis of how the Tories couldn't put together a killer blow last time, I would suggest they'd be best off preparing properly for a GE rather than calling a snap election and making another dogs dinner of it

[Sir C]

On the basis of how the Tories couldn't put together a killer blow last time, I would suggest they'd be best off preparing properly for a GE rather than calling a snap election and making another dogs dinner of it

Yes, but our very own Julius Streicher is currently a) utterly unelectable and b) on the brink of tearing the socialists apart. There's no way they can fight any sort of co-ordinated election campaign at present. It might be the catalyst for them to split :cloud9:

[Burney]

Now would be a good time to ask the majority of Labour MPs whether they are prepared to campaign for Our Jeremy to be PM...

Of course they would. Their jobs depend on it.

I'm amused this morning by the thought that there are loads of Jezza's little minions out there today thinking that all these problems just go to show how powerful the Jewish/Zionist/Rothschild lobby is and why it's so important that they be stopped.

[Sir C]

Of course they would. Their jobs depend on it.

I'm amused this morning by the thought that there are loads of Jezza's little minions out there today thinking that all these problems just go to show how powerful the Jewish/Zionist/Rothschild lobby is and why it's so important that they be stopped.

I'm disappointed that we haven't had the benefit of Owen's wisdom in this matter. I'm sure he has a perfectly reasonable explanation for all these stories about Our Julius.

False consciousness, perhaps?

[Burney]

I'm disappointed that we haven't had the benefit of Owen's wisdom in this matter. I'm sure he has a perfectly reasonable explanation for all these stories about Our Julius.

False consciousness, perhaps?

Watching his twitter timeline is quite fun as he tries to work out what the latest party line is. So far he's gone from 'There's no anti-semitism problem' to 'whatabout the Saudis?' to 'These are tory smears against Jez' to 'Anti-semitism is a sickness' to 'Anti-semitism is a problem in the Labour Party and I vow to wipe it out'.

[Monty92]

I'm disappointed that we haven't had the benefit of Owen's wisdom in this matter. I'm sure he has a perfectly reasonable explanation for all these stories about Our Julius.

False consciousness, perhaps?

I'm dubious about how damaging all of this is to Jezza. It's hardly as if he's been found out as a virulent racist - in fact, the strongest accusation made by the groups who have mobilised around the issue is that he turns a "bind eye" to anti-Semitism. No-one outside of social media is actually claiming he himself is an anti-semite.

And anyone who may be put off voting for him because of this only needs to turn to the Tories and see plenty of perceived institutional racism too. Boris Johnson's Prince Phillip-esque gaffes, nígger in the woodpile, illegal immigrant van posters, much of the Brexit campaigning, Zach Goldsmith's Islamophobic London mayoral campaign...

[Pokster]

I'm dubious about how damaging all of this is to Jezza. It's hardly as if he's been found out as a virulent racist - in fact, the strongest accusation made by the groups who have mobilised around the issue is that he turns a "bind eye" to anti-Semitism. No-one outside of social media is actually claiming he himself is an anti-semite.

And anyone who may be put off voting for him because of this only needs to turn to the Tories and see plenty of perceived institutional racism too. Boris Johnson's Prince Phillip-esque gaffes, nígger in the woodpile, illegal immigrant van posters, much of the Brexit campaigning, Zach Goldsmith's Islamophobic London mayoral campaign...

I agree with you... The Tory party have no reason to call another election and would get lambasted for doing so

[Sir C]

I'm dubious about how damaging all of this is to Jezza. It's hardly as if he's been found out as a virulent racist - in fact, the strongest accusation made by the groups who have mobilised around the issue is that he turns a "bind eye" to anti-Semitism. No-one outside of social media is actually claiming he himself is an anti-semite.

And anyone who may be put off voting for him because of this only needs to turn to the Tories and see plenty of perceived institutional racism too. Boris Johnson's Prince Phillip-esque gaffes, nígger in the woodpile, illegal immigrant van posters, much of the Brexit campaigning, Zach Goldsmith's Islamophobic London mayoral campaign...

This might well be the straw that breaks the proverbial, though. So far a percentage of, presumably retarded, voters have ignored the history of instinctive anti-British sentiment, terrorist sympathising and polyester tracksuits, but something must eventually persuade the majority of what he is. Something must.

[Pokster]

This might well be the straw that breaks the proverbial, though. So far a percentage of, presumably retarded, voters have ignored the history of instinctive anti-British sentiment, terrorist sympathising and polyester tracksuits, but something must eventually persuade the majority of what he is. Something must.

The Tory party stayed in power by signing an agreement and paying a £1bn to a terrorist party in NI, so they are hardly in a position to use that as something to beat him with.

There will be no election as they have no need to call 1

[Sir C]

The Tory party stayed in power by signing an agreement and paying a £1bn to a terrorist party in NI, so they are hardly in a position to use that as something to beat him with.

There will be no election as they have no need to call 1

They didn't pay a single penny to the DUP. What's the point in telling outright lies? That's not political debate, is it? It's just ridiculous.

At least the Tories didn't sneak into the grounds of Buckingham Palace and steal the queen's knickers from the washinh line and burn them like Corbyn did. There, that's as accurate a riposte as yours.

[Burney]

I'm dubious about how damaging all of this is to Jezza. It's hardly as if he's been found out as a virulent racist - in fact, the strongest accusation made by the groups who have mobilised around the issue is that he turns a "bind eye" to anti-Semitism. No-one outside of social media is actually claiming he himself is an anti-semite.

And anyone who may be put off voting for him because of this only needs to turn to the Tories and see plenty of perceived institutional racism too. Boris Johnson's Prince Phillip-esque gaffes, nígger in the woodpile, illegal immigrant van posters, much of the Brexit campaigning, Zach Goldsmith's Islamophobic London mayoral campaign...

It all contributes to the larger picture of his unfitness for office. He's being seen as being in open warfare with his party, his only defence to the charges of anti-semitism has been that he's too incompetent/negligent/stupid to have noticed that all his friends hate Jews/are communist spies or terrorists. The 'kindly old lefty uncle' thing's fvcked now, which was his major selling point.

[Monty92]

This might well be the straw that breaks the proverbial, though. So far a percentage of, presumably retarded, voters have ignored the history of instinctive anti-British sentiment, terrorist sympathising and polyester tracksuits, but something must eventually persuade the majority of what he is. Something must.

But to some degree or other these "retarded" voters often share these same anti-British, terrorist-sympathising sentiments.

I'm thinking back to specific events of recent time such as the Charlie Hebdo attack and the New Year's Eve muslim sex attacks in Cologne and among many of the sane left-leaning people I know literally their first response was that the cartoonists brought it on themselves and that the sex attacks proved that toxic masculinity is making it a terrible time for women to be alive.

These sentiments are POPULAR

[Burney]

The Tory party stayed in power by signing an agreement and paying a £1bn to a terrorist party in NI, so they are hardly in a position to use that as something to beat him with.

There will be no election as they have no need to call 1

The DUP is not a terrorist party by any stretch of the imagination. That's just a lie. Indeed, its leader's father was shot by the IRA and her school bus was blown up by the *******s.

[Burney]

But to some degree or other these "retarded" voters often share these same anti-British, terrorist-sympathising sentiments.

I'm thinking back to specific events of recent time such as the Charlie Hebdo attack and the New Year's Eve muslim sex attacks in Cologne and among many of the sane left-leaning people I know literally their first response was that the cartoonists brought it on themselves and that the sex attacks proved that toxic masculinity is making it a terrible time for women to be alive.

These sentiments are POPULAR

I imagine they're popular in the public sector, among students, in Islamic communities and in North London. There's no evidence that such sentiments are popular with the wider electorate.

[Pokster]

They didn't pay a single penny to the DUP. What's the point in telling outright lies? That's not political debate, is it? It's just ridiculous.

At least the Tories didn't sneak into the grounds of Buckingham Palace and steal the queen's knickers from the washinh line and burn them like Corbyn did. There, that's as accurate a riposte as yours.

OK, they paid £1bn for funding for NI... is that better? The fact they are in bed with a terrorist organisation is OK?

[Pokster]

The DUP is not a terrorist party by any stretch of the imagination. That's just a lie. Indeed, its leader's father was shot by the IRA and her school bus was blown up by the *******s.

So they never took part in terrorist activity? Is Sinn Fein a terrorist party or not?

[Monty92]

I imagine they're popular in the public sector, among students, in Islamic communities and in North London. There's no evidence that such sentiments are popular with the wider electorate.

Did you see the Dispatches documentary on MEND last night?

[Burney]

So they never took part in terrorist activity? Is Sinn Fein a terrorist party or not?

As a party, no they didn't. There has never been any suggestion that they did. Sinn Fein, by contrast, was the official political wing of the IRA and explicitly spoke on its behalf. Any attempt at drawing equivalence between the two is doomed.

Sinn Fein was led by Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness who are acknowledged as having been members of the IRA's Army Council. I defy you to find similarly direct terrorist connections at senior levels of the DUP.

[Burney]

Did you see the Dispatches documentary on MEND last night?

No, I missed it. I understand they did the very un-Channel 4 thing of actually telling the truth about them?

[Sir C]

OK, they paid £1bn for funding for NI... is that better? The fact they are in bed with a terrorist organisation is OK?

Yes, that's better, because it's the truth. :shrug:

They may be 'in bed' with the DUP, but I think you'll find that they are a recognised political party, rather than a terrorist organisation. They may believe in some principles which you and I find unpleasant, but they're not planting bombs anywhere.

[Pokster]

As a party, no they didn't. There has never been any suggestion that they did. Sinn Fein, by contrast, were the official political wing of the IRA and spoke on its behalf. Any attempt at drawing equivalence between the two is doomed.

The DUP are backed by the UDA, they supported them at the last election and they are a terrorist organisation, so i fail to see how the Tory party can codemn Corbyn for his links (plenty of other things to condemn him for) and not have double standards themselves.

The DUP have no need to power share anymore as they can get almost all they want through the UK parliament with the agreement.

[Pokster]

Yes, that's better, because it's the truth. :shrug:

They may be 'in bed' with the DUP, but I think you'll find that they are a recognised political party, rather than a terrorist organisation. They may believe in some principles which you and I find unpleasant, but they're not planting bombs anywhere.

But they are backed by the UDA which is still killing Catholics.

[Sir C]

But they are backed by the UDA which is still killing Catholics.

They can't help who backs them, can they? I'm backed by my glw, it doesn't make me intelligent or moral.

[Monty92]

No, I missed it. I understand they did the very un-Channel 4 thing of actually telling the truth about them?

Yes, but there was no smoking gun, although it was good to see Jezza implicated as one of their supporters.

"Muslims are the most important voting block in the UK - we can be the king makers"

Sufiyan Ismail, CEO of MEND, covertly recorded speaking at a private event

:-(

[Sir C]

Yes, but there was no smoking gun, although it was good to see Jezza implicated as one of their supporters.

"Muslims are the most important voting block in the UK - we can be the king makers"

Sufiyan Ismail, CEO of MEND, covertly recorded speaking at a private event

:-(

Has Jeremy Corbyn ever been anti-semitic to you? (I advise you to think very carefully before answering and consider how much the Daily Mail would pay you for such an exposé.)

[Burney]

The DUP are backed by the UDA, they supported them at the last election and they are a terrorist organisation, so i fail to see how the Tory party can codemn Corbyn for his links (plenty of other things to condemn him for) and not have double standards themselves.

The DUP have no need to power share anymore as they can get almost all they want through the UK parliament with the agreement.

Please explain 'backed by the UDA'. Only, as accusations go, it sounds incredibly vague and nebulous. Do you mean that UDA members support the DUP? Well, duh! It's the main Unionist party in NI and they share interests - why wouldn't they?

However, the DUP have categorically condemned all terrorist organisations and demanded they face justice. That's a far more categorical condemnation than Jezza's 'I condemn all terror' boll0cks.

[Pokster]

They can't help who backs them, can they? I'm backed by my glw, it doesn't make me intelligent or moral.

They can avoid holding meetings with them (not sure you can avoid your glw as easily)

[Burney]

But they are backed by the UDA which is still killing Catholics.

Actually, the only the only killings that appear to have been conducted by the UDA recently appear to have been of other UDA members.

[Burney]

Actually, the only the only killings that appear to have been conducted by the UDA recently appear to have been of other UDA members.

Actually, the only meeting they've held with them recently was to try and stop a spate of internal killings and offer a chance to 'move away from criminality and terrorism'.

But why let the facts get in the way of your apologism for Corbyn, eh?

[Peter]

I imagine they're popular in the public sector, among students, in Islamic communities and in North London. There's no evidence that such sentiments are popular with the wider electorate.

I see what you did there. North London, indeed.

[Pokster]

Actually, the only meeting they've held with them recently was to try and stop a spate of internal killings and offer a chance to 'move away from criminality and terrorism'.

But why let the facts get in the way of your apologism for Corbyn, eh?

I'm sorry I hjave seen no comment that the meeting was about that, that line you mentioned is something AF said, not that the meeting was about that.


But why let facts get in the way eh

[Pokster]

Actually, the only meeting they've held with them recently was to try and stop a spate of internal killings and offer a chance to 'move away from criminality and terrorism'.

But why let the facts get in the way of your apologism for Corbyn, eh?

Where have I apologised for Corbyn???? He has some very ill advised views and some extremely dodgy friends but i have never apologised for him, I am trying to give a balanced view which is something that seems to pass most people on here by

[Peter]

Where have I apologised for Corbyn???? He has some very ill advised views and some extremely dodgy friends but i have never apologised for him, I am trying to give a balanced view which is something that seems to pass most people on here by

Balanced views are not the way of things here. We like a bit of a rumpus :)

[Pokster]

Balanced views are not the way of things here. We like a bit of a rumpus :)

Is this a 5 minute argument or the whole half hour?

[Peter]

Is this a 5 minute argument or the whole half hour?

Hey, I agree with you. A balanced view onCorbyn is a little beyond AWIMB's abilities these days.

[Sir C]

Hey, I agree with you. A balanced view onCorbyn is a little beyond AWIMB's abilities these days.

A balanced view on Corbyn? Like Diane's, 'on balance Mao did more good than harm', sort of thing?

[Peter]

A balanced view on Corbyn? Like Diane's, 'on balance Mao did more good than harm', sort of thing?

Similar, yes. Or 'yes, Jeremy met with Sinn Fein but then they are effectively a legitimate political party'......

Anyway....the fact remains that the IRA are just cooler than the Unionists. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It is sexier.

Like the Confederates....

[SWv2]

Similar, yes. Or 'yes, Jeremy met with Sinn Fein but then they are effectively a legitimate political party'......

Anyway....the fact remains that the IRA are just cooler than the Unionists. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It is sexier.

Like the Confederates....

Sinn Fein are a legitimate political party.

[Burney]

Similar, yes. Or 'yes, Jeremy met with Sinn Fein but then they are effectively a legitimate political party'......

Anyway....the fact remains that the IRA are just cooler than the Unionists. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It is sexier.

Like the Confederates....

Yes, but loyalists have better songs. The Sash is a song of prodigious greatness, as are 'Croppies, Lie Down' and 'Derry's Walls'.

Kevin Barry, 'The Men Behind the Wire' and all the others, on the other hand, are dreary sh1te.

[Sir C]

Similar, yes. Or 'yes, Jeremy met with Sinn Fein but then they are effectively a legitimate political party'......

Anyway....the fact remains that the IRA are just cooler than the Unionists. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It is sexier.

Like the Confederates....

I am no fan of bigotry, personally, whether it be inspired by religion or by race.

Other than paddies, I consider all men to be equally appalling.

[Peter]

Yes, but loyalists have better songs. The Sash is a song of prodigious greatness, as are 'Croppies, Lie Down' and 'Derry's Walls'.

Kevin Barry, 'The Men Behind the Wire' and all the others, on the other hand, are dreary sh1te.

A wealth of superb rebel songs. What could possibly be cooler than the word rebel..?