Ofcourse the worst thing about the Russki sabre rattling

[7sisters]

Will be the culmination of the mother of all shoeings for our brave chaps / masochists who go to Moscow in a couple of weeks..

[Sir C]

Will be the culmination of the mother of all shoeings for our brave chaps / masochists who go to Moscow in a couple of weeks..

Fúck that, there was a bloke from Russia Today on TV last night threatening nucular war. :-(

I'm going to build a shelter under my kitchen table.

[PSRB]

Fúck that, there was a bloke from Russia Today on TV last night threatening nucular war. :-(

I'm going to build a shelter under my kitchen table.

At least the EU seem to concur with us that the Ruskies definitely were responsible for the poisoning.......not that most sane people ever doubted it.

[Sir C]

At least the EU seem to concur with us that the Ruskies definitely were responsible for the poisoning.......not that most sane people ever doubted it.

The EU are about as useful to us as a chocolate fire guard.

[PSRB]

The EU are about as useful to us as a chocolate fire guard.

Of course, just seems to have quietened the mentalists who seemed to want absolve the Russians from any wrongdoing

[Peter]

Fúck that, there was a bloke from Russia Today on TV last night threatening nucular war. :-(

I'm going to build a shelter under my kitchen table.

That is the way diplomacy is these days. Trump does it as well.

[redgunamo]

Will be the culmination of the mother of all shoeings for our brave chaps / masochists who go to Moscow in a couple of weeks..

In the football, do you mean?

[Peter]

Of course, just seems to have quietened the mentalists who seemed to want absolve the Russians from any wrongdoing

As I pointed out last week, the 'mentalists' on this occasion simply want to see some evidence. A lot of these mentalists are more usually described as such because their wild conspiracy theories lack evidence. All rather ironic.

and these mentalists continue to be called mentalists even long after the wild, ludicrous claims turn out to be true- fantasist nonsense like child abuse and underage sex involving the BBC and politicians, that kind of 'madness'.......

In this particular case the sheer sloppiness of the action would tend to raise questions in one's mindas to whether the Russian state were really, fully responsible for this. If we are to believe that they do it all the time then the expectation wouldusually be that they would be better at it than this. THis transgresses the one cardinal rule of assassination- that the target must die, at all costs. He is still alive..... worst assassination ever!

[Sir C]

As I pointed out last week, the 'mentalists' on this occasion simply want to see some evidence. A lot of these mentalists are more usually described as such because their wild conspiracy theories lack evidence. All rather ironic.

and these mentalists continue to be called mentalists even long after the wild, ludicrous claims turn out to be true- fantasist nonsense like child abuse and underage sex involving the BBC and politicians, that kind of 'madness'.......

In this particular case the sheer sloppiness of the action would tend to raise questions in one's mindas to whether the Russian state were really, fully responsible for this. If we are to believe that they do it all the time then the expectation wouldusually be that they would be better at it than this. THis transgresses the one cardinal rule of assassination- that the target must die, at all costs. He is still alive..... worst assassination ever!

That's right. MI5 dunnit. They were instructed to do it by the queen, who as we know is a shape-shifting lizard. It's basically a conspirass against Our Jeremy.

[World's End Stella]

As I pointed out last week, the 'mentalists' on this occasion simply want to see some evidence. A lot of these mentalists are more usually described as such because their wild conspiracy theories lack evidence. All rather ironic.

and these mentalists continue to be called mentalists even long after the wild, ludicrous claims turn out to be true- fantasist nonsense like child abuse and underage sex involving the BBC and politicians, that kind of 'madness'.......

In this particular case the sheer sloppiness of the action would tend to raise questions in one's mindas to whether the Russian state were really, fully responsible for this. If we are to believe that they do it all the time then the expectation wouldusually be that they would be better at it than this. THis transgresses the one cardinal rule of assassination- that the target must die, at all costs. He is still alive..... worst assassination ever!

The last medical report that I read was that he was pretty much gone. And how much evidence will you need? If they can conclusively prove that it was a nerve agent that has only ever been made by the Russians, will that be enough? :shrug:

[Burney]

As I pointed out last week, the 'mentalists' on this occasion simply want to see some evidence. A lot of these mentalists are more usually described as such because their wild conspiracy theories lack evidence. All rather ironic.

and these mentalists continue to be called mentalists even long after the wild, ludicrous claims turn out to be true- fantasist nonsense like child abuse and underage sex involving the BBC and politicians, that kind of 'madness'.......

In this particular case the sheer sloppiness of the action would tend to raise questions in one's mindas to whether the Russian state were really, fully responsible for this. If we are to believe that they do it all the time then the expectation wouldusually be that they would be better at it than this. THis transgresses the one cardinal rule of assassination- that the target must die, at all costs. He is still alive..... worst assassination ever!

Given that this stuff has essentially reduced these poor people to braindead vegetables, I think their ‘survival’ is purely nominal.

It doesn’t take a great deal of investigation to acquaint yourself with the murderous nature of the Putin regime. What I find curious about those who cry so loudly for ‘evidence’ of this is why they are so keen to ignore the evidence in front of them?

[Peter]

Given that this stuff has essentially reduced these poor people to braindead vegetables, I think their ‘survival’ is purely nominal.

It doesn’t take a great deal of investigation to acquaint yourself with the murderous nature of the Putin regime. What I find curious about those who cry so loudly for ‘evidence’ of this is why they are so keen to ignore the evidence in front of them?

I am not crying for evidence. We have been through this. We will never see evidence, whether the government have it or not.

I am just saying it is not 'mental' to suggest that there may be doubt in the absence of evidence. This is a fundamental principle of the 'science' that so many of you cherish so highly and that you used to denounce the notion that the substance might not be russian.

[Burney]

I am not crying for evidence. We have been through this. We will never see evidence, whether the government have it or not.

I am just saying it is not 'mental' to suggest that there may be doubt in the absence of evidence. This is a fundamental principle of the 'science' that so many of you cherish so highly and that you used to denounce the notion that the substance might not be russian.

As you rightly say, in a situation such as this, one cannot have conclusive evidence - and everyone knows it. Thus, it is valid to question the motives of those who are calling for it in the knowledge it will never be forthcoming. Almost like they're trying to throw up a smokescreen. :rubchin:

Occam's Razor is why most sane people are concluding this is Russia's handiwork. Russian means, motives and opportunity - allied with Russia's extensive previous when it comes to murdering its dissidents at home and abroad. Throw in the complete absence of a credible counter-narrative and Vlad's your uncle.

Everything else belongs in the crazy bin.

[eastgermanautos]

I am not crying for evidence. We have been through this. We will never see evidence, whether the government have it or not.

I am just saying it is not 'mental' to suggest that there may be doubt in the absence of evidence. This is a fundamental principle of the 'science' that so many of you cherish so highly and that you used to denounce the notion that the substance might not be russian.

But, dude, how much evidence do you need? They've perpetrated numerous aggressive acts. They're the overwhelmingly likely culprits. Did you forget about Ukraine and all that other stuff? They shot down that damn passenger plane. Do they have to come up to you and personally grab the french fries off your plate?

[Burney]

But, dude, how much evidence do you need? They've perpetrated numerous aggressive acts. They're the overwhelmingly likely culprits. Did you forget about Ukraine and all that other stuff? They shot down that damn passenger plane. Do they have to come up to you and personally grab the french fries off your plate?

One can throw pretty much anything into doubt by ignoring or undermining overwhelming existing evidence and constantly demanding more. It's how holocaust deniers work*.

*For the record, I am not calling Peter a holocaust denier - even though he is in the Labour Party.

[Peter]

As you rightly say, in a situation such as this, one cannot have conclusive evidence - and everyone knows it. Thus, it is valid to question the motives of those who are calling for it in the knowledge it will never be forthcoming. Almost like they're trying to throw up a smokescreen. :rubchin:

Occam's Razor is why most sane people are concluding this is Russia's handiwork. Russian means, motives and opportunity - allied with Russia's extensive previous when it comes to murdering its dissidents at home and abroad. Throw in the complete absence of a credible counter-narrative and Vlad's your uncle.

Everything else belongs in the crazy bin.

I think the reasonable ground for dispute is between direct action from the Russian state versus random act by group with ties to Russian interests.

Both are worrying but in slightly different ways. THe sloppiness of the operation makes me seriously question whether this was a routine state-sponsored poisoning. THey are better than this!

[Peter]

One can throw pretty much anything into doubt by ignoring or undermining overwhelming existing evidence and constantly demanding more. It's how holocaust deniers work*.

*For the record, I am not calling Peter a holocaust denier - even though he is in the Labour Party.

I am not a holocaust denier, for the record. Whilst in Krakow I was determined to visit Auschwitz but I refused to go there by train as it was a bit too ****ing real. We missed the bus (much like Hitler, in fact).

[Sir C]

I am not a holocaust denier, for the record. Whilst in Krakow I was determined to visit Auschwitz but I refused to go there by train as it was a bit too ****ing real. We missed the bus (much like Hitler, in fact).

I don't think they make you go in a cattle truck any more, p :-(

[Peter]

But, dude, how much evidence do you need? They've perpetrated numerous aggressive acts. They're the overwhelmingly likely culprits. Did you forget about Ukraine and all that other stuff? They shot down that damn passenger plane. Do they have to come up to you and personally grab the french fries off your plate?

I dont need any evidence. I accept that this stuff happens, that this is how intelligence services operate. I think we are owed a private apology for the mess they caused over this particular case but other than that I am not fussed.

Its the mess of it that has our government acting like muppets. They are outraged at the public nature of this operation and are acting how they think they have to- sabre rattling, as above. It is silly posturing that I refuse to take a seriously. All part of the game.

If you are going to come out with public statements about how it was definitely Putin what did it, don't be surprised if people question the absence of any genuine evidence. While I accept that evidence generally remains private, for similar reasons so do these diplomatic exchanges.

[Peter]

I don't think they make you go in a cattle truck any more, p :-(

Even so....its too ****ingmuch.

THe tower as the train enters Auschwitz.....I see that tower everywhere- university buildings, even my local Tesco. Am I the only person that looks at it and immediately thinks of Auschwitz?

[Monty92]

Even so....its too ****ingmuch.

THe tower as the train enters Auschwitz.....I see that tower everywhere- university buildings, even my local Tesco. Am I the only person that looks at it and immediately thinks of Auschwitz?

I went to Dachau once. I felt seriously short changed when they told me the gas chambers were never actually used.

[Sir C]

Even so....its too ****ingmuch.

THe tower as the train enters Auschwitz.....I see that tower everywhere- university buildings, even my local Tesco. Am I the only person that looks at it and immediately thinks of Auschwitz?

No, I think there are many members of your party who think about it all the time. Generally not in the same spirit as you, sadly.

[Monty92]

No, I think there are many members of your party who think about it all the time. Generally not in the same spirit as you, sadly.

I'm still not comfortable with the right's attempts to tar the entire Labour party with the anti-semitism brush. Never have been, never will be.

Let them be mean about the Jews. It just makes me feel less guilty about harshing on the Allans.

[Sir C]

I'm still not comfortable with the right's attempts to tar the entire Labour party with the anti-semitism brush. Never have been, never will be.

Let them be mean about the Jews. It just makes me feel less guilty about harshing on the Allans.

They've spent 25 years telling us all that we're dreadfully racist. It's rather nice to be able to strike back.

[Monty92]

They've spent 25 years telling us all that we're dreadfully racist. It's rather nice to be able to strike back.

This is why I don't like it. Rise above it.

I simply don't think they hate Jews. Most Jews are pinkos, anyway. Tel Aviv is basically the homo capital of the world and most of the heebies in London favour a two-state solution.

[Peter]

I went to Dachau once. I felt seriously short changed when they told me the gas chambers were never actually used.

Yes..... it isnt hugely clear how the numbers are arrived at and where all the killings took place. Some camps are famous for reasons other than the volume of deaths, ifyou see what I mean.

As much as I might be revolted by holocaust deniers, its the ones that dispute the numbers that leave me open mouthed. As though it really isnt such a big deal if it was only 4 million.......

[Peter]

No, I think there are many members of your party who think about it all the time. Generally not in the same spirit as you, sadly.

Sigh..... one can dislike Israel without hating jews. Or do you think David Icke is anti-semitic.

Me, I love the jews. But you knew that.

[Peter]

This is why I don't like it. Rise above it.

I simply don't think they hate Jews. Most Jews are pinkos, anyway. Tel Aviv is basically the homo capital of the world and most of the heebies in London favour a two-state solution.

Very, very few people actually dislike jews these days. I have never, ever met one.

[Sir C]

Sigh..... one can dislike Israel without hating jews. Or do you think David Icke is anti-semitic.

Me, I love the jews. But you knew that.

That's what you all say.

Neither socialists nor their close cousins, national socialists, care for our big-nosed brethren. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

[Monty92]

So you dispute whether 6 million Jews were killed.

How many would be your guess?

Not that I’m trying to get you into any trouble here, you understand...


Yes..... it isnt hugely clear how the numbers are arrived at and where all the killings took place. Some camps are famous for reasons other than the volume of deaths, ifyou see what I mean.

As much as I might be revolted by holocaust deniers, its the ones that dispute the numbers that leave me open mouthed. As though it really isnt such a big deal if it was only 4 million.......

[Sir C]

This is why I don't like it. Rise above it.

I simply don't think they hate Jews. Most Jews are pinkos, anyway. Tel Aviv is basically the homo capital of the world and most of the heebies in London favour a two-state solution.

You're the worst kind though. The self-hating jew.

No wonder Our Jeremy and his mate are anti-semitic. You've brought it upon yourselves for Christ's sake! (You murdered him.)

[Burney]

I went to Dachau once. I felt seriously short changed when they told me the gas chambers were never actually used.

I found the flogging block a bit distressing. Also the tiny, sh1tty huts into which huge numbers were crammed. And then there was the bit about the medical experiments. Generally the whole thing. :-(

All in all, I'd give it a negative Tripadvisor review.

[Peter]

So you dispute whether 6 million Jews were killed.

How many would be your guess?

Not that I’m trying to get you into any trouble here, you understand...

Oh no, I dispute nothing. If you look at estimates for the four or five biggest camps it is a little surprising that they make up a relatively small proportion of the overall. Basically, there were ****ing millions of camps......

My point about disputing the numbers was that even if it was 4 million it hardly counts as mitigation. It is still, you know, quite bad and all that....

[Peter]

I found the flogging block a bit distressing. Also the tiny, sh1tty huts into which huge numbers were crammed. And then there was the bit about the medical experiments. Generally the whole thing. :-(

All in all, I'd give it a negative Tripadvisor review.

Right, I will give that a miss....

[SWv2]

Right, I will give that a miss....

It would simply be wrong of me to not act at this moment:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVoz0tZpyDg

[Monty92]

you can usually make yourself feel better by eating some or taking some home from the on-site farm shop.

Can’t do that with dead Jews :-(



I found the flogging block a bit distressing. Also the tiny, sh1tty huts into which huge numbers were crammed. And then there was the bit about the medical experiments. Generally the whole thing. :-(

All in all, I'd give it a negative Tripadvisor review.

[Burney]

you can usually make yourself feel better by eating some or taking some home from the on-site farm shop.

Can’t do that with dead Jews :-(

They could sell novelty lampshades, I suppose. :shrug: