Mustafi was ****ing diabolical on that first goal. Chambers got done in exactly

[Billy Goat Sverige]

The same way as the other night against Östersund for the third. Not even sure why he set up to play on the counter when he had a back 5 and no wingers.

JUST LEAVE!!!!

[Just Trent]

The same way as the other night against Östersund for the third. Not even sure why he set up to play on the counter when he had a back 5 and no wingers.

JUST LEAVE!!!!

The defending has been an issue for years. But, this season really is something else. The amount of basic errors and players who don't seem to understand their role, is quite staggering.

[Sir C]

The same way as the other night against Östersund for the third. Not even sure why he set up to play on the counter when he had a back 5 and no wingers.

JUST LEAVE!!!!

I disagree about the first goal. If Mustafi was confident he was under the flight of the ball, Aguero running goal-side is irrelevant. Mustafi can simply stand his ground and head the ball away. Aguero pushing him in the back, however gently, knocks him from under the ball and is a foul. It doesn't look good, I grant you. But it is a foul.

[redgunamo]

I disagree about the first goal. If Mustafi was confident he was under the flight of the ball, Aguero running goal-side is irrelevant. Mustafi can simply stand his ground and head the ball away. Aguero pushing him in the back, however gently, knocks him from under the ball and is a foul. It doesn't look good, I grant you. But it is a foul.

No, that's not even a foul in girls' football! Embarrassing from the big German; brilliant centre-forward play from the Latino Giftzwerg.

[Sir C]

No, that's not even a foul in girls' football! Embarrassing from the big German; brilliant centre-forward play from the Latino Giftzwerg.

No, it's a foul. A push in the back is always a foul. Given that they weren't within playing distance of the ball, it would have been a penalty in a rugby match, for God's sake.

[SWv2]

I disagree about the first goal. If Mustafi was confident he was under the flight of the ball, Aguero running goal-side is irrelevant. Mustafi can simply stand his ground and head the ball away. Aguero pushing him in the back, however gently, knocks him from under the ball and is a foul. It doesn't look good, I grant you. But it is a foul.

No, sorry my Dutch friend, I am not having that.

Contact, a coming together, Mustafi backing into Aguero, Aguero nudging Mustafi, pick whichever you want, but not a foul.

Christ there would be hundreds of frees in games in we were to go down the route you suggest.

[Sir C]

No, sorry my Dutch friend, I am not having that.

Contact, a coming together, Mustafi backing into Aguero, Aguero nudging Mustafi, pick whichever you want, but not a foul.

Christ there would be hundreds of frees in games in we were to go down the route you suggest.

He pushed him in the back. That's a foul.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

I disagree about the first goal. If Mustafi was confident he was under the flight of the ball, Aguero running goal-side is irrelevant. Mustafi can simply stand his ground and head the ball away. Aguero pushing him in the back, however gently, knocks him from under the ball and is a foul. It doesn't look good, I grant you. But it is a foul.

I don’t think Aguero even ran goal side. Aguero was just taking up his usual position on a goal kick and Mustafi either completely ignored him or was completely unaware he was even there. Mustafi was on the halfway line when Bravo was taking the goal kick :clap:

[Sir C]

I don’t think Aguero even ran goal side. Aguero was just taking up his usual position on a goal kick and Mustafi either completely ignored him or was completely unaware he was even there. Mustafi was on the halfway line when Bravo was taking the goal kick :clap:

Mustafi placed himself under the flight of the ball. Aguero ran 5 yards beyond the flight of the ball, then ran back and pushed Mustafi out of the way as he was about to head the ball clear.

I'm interested in what you think Mustafi should have done. Given the opportunity to stand and head the ball away, are you suggesting he should ignore the ball and follow Aguero?

[SWv2]

He pushed him in the back. That's a foul.

Mustafi had his eye on the ball and did not once appear to look, did you expect Aguero to simply step aside and allow him safe passage?

C’mon now, not even Wenger clutched at that straw.

It was utterly abysmal defending by the German.

I am now simply going to accept you are being obtuse and argumentative and bid you a good day.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

The same way as the other night against Östersund for the third. Not even sure why he set up to play on the counter when he had a back 5 and no wingers.

JUST LEAVE!!!!


I don't mind losing games if the players on the pitch have given it their all and done everything possible. I do have a problem when players, to quote George Graham once upon a time, "accept defeat easily". This is yet another example (spectacular, even) in a long string of performances where that quote can be applied.

[Sir C]

Mustafi had his eye on the ball and did not once appear to look, did you expect Aguero to simply step aside and allow him safe passage?

C’mon now, not even Wenger clutched at that straw.

It was utterly abysmal defending by the German.

I am now simply going to accept you are being obtuse and argumentative and bid you a good day.

So you're saying that Aguero didn't push him in the back? It certainly looked that way to me. Perhaps I imagined it.

Stating the truth is not being obtuse, my dear fellow. Failing to mindlessly engage with the 'Mustafi is rubbish and the incident looked embarrassing therefore it must have been Mustafi's fault' isn't argumentative.

[IUFG]

He pushed him in the back. That's a foul.

Sorry, sc. That is never, ever a foul.

What it was, was worse than school-boy defending.

Edit - just rewatched, Aguero didn't push Mustafi, he stood his ground.
3m 11s https://www.arsenal.com/news/carabao-cup-final-match-video

[Billy Goat Sverige]

Mustafi placed himself under the flight of the ball. Aguero ran 5 yards beyond the flight of the ball, then ran back and pushed Mustafi out of the way as he was about to head the ball clear.

I'm interested in what you think Mustafi should have done. Given the opportunity to stand and head the ball away, are you suggesting he should ignore the ball and follow Aguero?

He should have been well inside his own half with everything in front of him. Then he would have known where Aguero was and he would’ve been running on to the ball trying to header it instead of backpedaling from the halfway line. That also would’ve made it possible for him to do what Aguero did when they were both challenging for it. It was poor positioning that lead to the goal.

[Sir C]

Sorry, sc. That is never, ever a foul.

What it was, was worse than school-boy defending.

A push in the back isn't a foul? Is this some sort of collective delusion? I don't understand the reasoning here. If you push an opponent in the back, it's a foul. Where is the ambiguity here?

[IUFG]

Where is the ambiguity here?

Aguero stood his ground. Nothing wrong with that...

[redgunamo]

So you're saying that Aguero didn't push him in the back? It certainly looked that way to me. Perhaps I imagined it.

Stating the truth is not being obtuse, my dear fellow. Failing to mindlessly engage with the 'Mustafi is rubbish and the incident looked embarrassing therefore it must have been Mustafi's fault' isn't argumentative.

Mustafi's alright but Kun's done him there, that's all. Perfectly legitimate.

[Sir C]

He should have been well inside his own half with everything in front of him. Then he would have known where Aguero was and he would’ve been running on to the ball trying to header it instead of backpedaling from the halfway line. That also would’ve made it possible for him to do what Aguero did when they were both challenging for it. It was poor positioning that lead to the goal.

Well he was in the correct position to head the ball clear, which is his primary concern. Aguero took that position from him, not by going shoulder to shoulder or by challenging him for the ball, but by pushing him in the back. Have I been hallucinating, or something?

[Sir C]

Aguero stood his ground. Nothing wrong with that...

Correct. Nothing wrong with that.

The bit where he pushed him in the back. Anything wrong with that?

[Sir C]

Mustafi's alright but Kun's done him there, that's all. Perfectly legitimate.

It's legitimate to push a player in the back?

[IUFG]

Well he was in the correct position to head the ball clear, which is his primary concern. Aguero took that position from him, not by going shoulder to shoulder or by challenging him for the ball, but by pushing him in the back. Have I been hallucinating, or something?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/25/17/4995A78500000578-5433133-The_Gunners_conceded_from_a_City_goal_kick_after_s triker_Sergio_-m-205_1519579145855.jpg

[IUFG]

Correct. Nothing wrong with that.

The bit where he pushed him in the back. Anything wrong with that?

If an attacking player stands still and the defender backs into the attacker, the attacker has done no wrong, sc

[taxman10]

It’s not a foul. Quite why you are getting so fixated on one incident in 90 minutes I have no idea, our defence was god awful all game.

[SWv2]

So you're saying that Aguero didn't push him in the back? It certainly looked that way to me. Perhaps I imagined it.

Stating the truth is not being obtuse, my dear fellow. Failing to mindlessly engage with the 'Mustafi is rubbish and the incident looked embarrassing therefore it must have been Mustafi's fault' isn't argumentative.

I have not said that.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

Sorry, sc. That is never, ever a foul.

What it was, was worse than school-boy defending.

Edit - just rewatched, Aguero didn't push Mustafi, he stood his ground.
3m 11s https://www.arsenal.com/news/carabao-cup-final-match-video

Look at the positioning on the goal kick. Amateurish.

http://i63.tinypic.com/96yjaa.jpg

[Sir C]

It’s not a foul. Quite why you are getting so fixated on one incident in 90 minutes I have no idea, our defence was god awful all game.

Oh, we were remarkably poor. Embarrassingly bad. Awful in many, many ways.

But that doesn't change the truth. Facts are not altered by the accepted narrative.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

I disagree about the first goal. If Mustafi was confident he was under the flight of the ball, Aguero running goal-side is irrelevant. Mustafi can simply stand his ground and head the ball away. Aguero pushing him in the back, however gently, knocks him from under the ball and is a foul. It doesn't look good, I grant you. But it is a foul.


I'm assuming that you are doing this for sh*ts and giggles or you may well be having a senior moment. I can't tell which.

It was not a foul and Mustafi was caught under the ball. His starting position was f*cking dreadful to begin with.