So how many for 2 wickets would England need to be at the end of play

[World's End Stella]

in order for us to get excited about the possibility of winning this test? :rubchin:

[Tony C]

You jinxed it....

[World's End Stella]

You jinxed it....

Oops :-(

I won't ask the next question then. :-)

[SWv2]

in order for us to get excited about the possibility of winning this test? :rubchin:

I was tempted to ask the same question. One more and I assume they are fúcked?

[World's End Stella]

Surely if we get to the end of play with 7 wickets in hand and need less than 200 we'd be favourites?

[Pokster]

Surely if we get to the end of play with 7 wickets in hand and need less than 200 we'd be favourites?

No way, we have never chased this many, we have a habbit of losing lots of wickets quickly. I would sughgest we would need to get less than 100 and have lots of wickets left for us to be fave's. I predict we lose by over 100

[SWv2]

Surely if we get to the end of play with 7 wickets in hand and need less than 200 we'd be favourites?

Not sure as obviously the batting quality is diluted as you go down the order so an average of 30 per batter is quite high given the stakes etc.

Obviously you are greatly aided by one of your better chaps having some *******s and getting an individually high score.

I expect a more experienced Cricket follower would be better placed here.

[Tony C]

They’ve be hovering around 10/1 for most of today...so a 9% chance.

Since Australia burnt their reviews England are now 6/1 or a 14% chance.

If they get through today with no more wickets I think they would be around about a 3/1 to 7/2 chance or ie 22% to 25% chance.

Which is fair given a collapse can happen at any moment.

[Peter]

in order for us to get excited about the possibility of winning this test? :rubchin:

Around 320-330 odd.

There is virtually no chance whatsoever of this happening. It is perfectly gettable, the wicket is ok. It would require a combination of skill, patience and incredible discipline and there is not one player in this England side who has that.

I am quite happy that they have even made some sort of a game of it.

[World's End Stella]

Around 320-330 odd.

There is virtually no chance whatsoever of this happening. It is perfectly gettable, the wicket is ok. It would require a combination of skill, patience and incredible discipline and there is not one player in this England side who has that.

I am quite happy that they have even made some sort of a game of it.

Good to see that there are multiple sports that you can suck the joy out of, Peter.

Even at this festive time of year. :thumbup:

[Peter]

Good to see that there are multiple sports that you can suck the joy out of, Peter.

Even at this festive time of year. :thumbup:


Oh I love cricket, dont get me wrong. And this is tremendously exciting.

[Burney]

Around 320-330 odd.

There is virtually no chance whatsoever of this happening. It is perfectly gettable, the wicket is ok. It would require a combination of skill, patience and incredible discipline and there is not one player in this England side who has that.

I am quite happy that they have even made some sort of a game of it.

I'm refusing even to enter into any speculation on the subject as I am utterly outraged by England prickteasing us like this rather than just rolling over straight away as they're supposed to. How dare they fück us about like this? They're obviously going to lose, but are showing us glimmers of hope just to be dicks. :furious:

[Peter]

I'm refusing even to enter into any speculation on the subject as I am utterly outraged by England prickteasing us like this rather than just rolling over straight away as they're supposed to. How dare they fück us about like this? They're obviously going to lose, but are showing us glimmers of hope just to be dicks. :furious:

Come on, b. We want to see a bit of fight. One of the things that seriously ****S ME OFF about these guys is that in lost causes they dont even have the professional pride to bat for their own average. I would happily bat all day in a losing cause for 50 odd not out. I would bloody enjoy it as well.

If you cant even bat selfishly what is the world coming to?

[Pokster]

I'm refusing even to enter into any speculation on the subject as I am utterly outraged by England prickteasing us like this rather than just rolling over straight away as they're supposed to. How dare they fück us about like this? They're obviously going to lose, but are showing us glimmers of hope just to be dicks. :furious:

Making it go into a last day so to generate extra money for the ground and the Aussie cricket board... sad seens b

[SWv2]

I'm refusing even to enter into any speculation on the subject as I am utterly outraged by England prickteasing us like this rather than just rolling over straight away as they're supposed to. How dare they fück us about like this? They're obviously going to lose, but are showing us glimmers of hope just to be dicks. :furious:

How much longer does play go on today/tonight?

[Tony C]

England now 4/1...20% chance.

Looking at the market they were 80/1 at one point so a moral victory of sorts

[Burney]

Come on, b. We want to see a bit of fight. One of the things that seriously ****S ME OFF about these guys is that in lost causes they dont even have the professional pride to bat for their own average. I would happily bat all day in a losing cause for 50 odd not out. I would bloody enjoy it as well.

If you cant even bat selfishly what is the world coming to?

Oh, I agree. The rabbit-in-the-headlights batting collapse has just become so customary that I sort of resent it when they actually put up a fight.

Fear not, though. We'll get through tonight, lose an early one tomorrow and collapse like a house of cards. All done just after lunchtime, I reckon.

[Peter]

Oh, I agree. The rabbit-in-the-headlights batting collapse has just become so customary that I sort of resent it when they actually put up a fight.

Fear not, though. We'll get through tonight, lose an early one tomorrow and collapse like a house of cards. All done just after lunchtime, I reckon.

I have a sneaky feeling the collapse will come tonight. Any minute, in fact. Root is going to get out very, very soon. He really pisses me off, much more than any of the others.

[World's End Stella]

I have a sneaky feeling the collapse will come tonight. Any minute, in fact. Root is going to get out very, very soon. He really pisses me off, much more than any of the others.

I can see Root scoring 150 and England winning. :-)

Merry Christmas everyone! :wave:

[Tony C]

England down to 2/1...straight up 33.34% to win o:

[Tony C]

Malan goooone 169/4

[Tony C]

10 minutes left...no nigh****chman.

[SWv2]

Presumably an English win here all lies with the lad Root.

[Burney]

Presumably an English win here all lies with the lad Root.

England aren't going to win, sw. Put this thought from your mind. This sort of thing simply does not happen.

[Tony C]

Finish the day at 7/2...22.5% chance to win.

England will win if Root can build partnerships with Woakes, Moooooen and Bairstow.

He had to avoid getting out and those 3 muppets have to stick with him.

[World's End Stella]

Presumably an English win here all lies with the lad Root.

Yes, it seems so.

Tremendous stuff. What time UK times does it start? England nailed on to win now, I think. :cloud9:

[SWv2]

England aren't going to win, sw. Put this thought from your mind. This sort of thing simply does not happen.

Well you see it is easy for me to postulate as I have no allegiance.

Your negative psychology has been noted however, we both know in sport it is largely the hope that kills. Actually perhaps negative is unfair, realistic a better word as that would be how I view Arsenal and our seasons. I will never flirt with silly notions such as League success.

[Burney]

Finish the day at 7/2...22.5% chance to win.

England will win if Root can build partnerships with Woakes, Moooooen and Bairstow.

He had to avoid getting out and those 3 muppets have to stick with him.

The danger man is Lyon to the lefties. Almost tempting to drop Moeen down further to virtually take Lyon out of the game.

Mind you, why am I even speculating? It's not going to happen.

[Tony C]

Australia are 1/4 to win...suppose if you have deep pockets you won’t find a bank paying that sort of interest.

[Peter]

The danger man is Lyon to the lefties. Almost tempting to drop Moeen down further to virtually take Lyon out of the game.

Mind you, why am I even speculating? It's not going to happen.

Root will be out early tomorrow playing a loose shot to a ball he could have left. Because he 'likes to feel bat on ball'....which is basically a technical term for utter ****.

[Burney]

Well you see it is easy for me to postulate as I have no allegiance.

Your negative psychology has been noted however, we both know in sport it is largely the hope that kills. Actually perhaps negative is unfair, realistic a better word as that would be how I view Arsenal and our seasons. I will never flirt with silly notions such as League success.

It's not negative psychology so much as experience, sw. I have watched too much test cricket to believe in this possibility. Such a win is a once-in-a-decade eventuality. There is a reason that the highest score ever made to win in a test at Adelaide is 315. The psychology, the wicket, the history and the odds are stacked against an England win.

[Peter]

It's not negative psychology so much as experience, sw. I have watched too much test cricket to believe in this possibility. Such a win is a once-in-a-decade eventuality. There is a reason that the highest score ever made to win in a test at Adelaide is 315. The psychology, the wicket, the history and the odds are stacked against an England win.

As is the fact that all the batsmen to come have a habit of chucking their wicket out the window as soon as you squeeze the scoring. Malan was a big hope here as he has shown a fair bit of discipline. With him gone wickets will fall early tomorrow and that is pretty much the end.

[Luis Anaconda]

It's not negative psychology so much as experience, sw. I have watched too much test cricket to believe in this possibility. Such a win is a once-in-a-decade eventuality. There is a reason that the highest score ever made to win in a test at Adelaide is 315. The psychology, the wicket, the history and the odds are stacked against an England win.

:nod: Even more annoying is that any - to use the buzz word of the day - momentum we get from this resurgence is likely to be blown away in Perth if the wicket is remotely quick (although it hasn't been in recent years). *******s

[Tony C]

Pretty incredible England have a decent chance of levelling the series and perhaps even winning it.

If Smith had just enforced the follow on this game would’ve been over with the series completely in the bag.

[Luis Anaconda]

Pretty incredible England have a decent chance of levelling the series and perhaps even winning it.

If Smith had just enforced the follow on this game would’ve been over with the series completely in the bag.

Very true, t. He was protecting his quicks, which is understandable given how injury prone they all are. That was always a risk and they probably should have picked Sayers as a horses for courses selection on his home ground (should have picked another bowling option at 6 as well, but I guess Marsh has justified his place for now).

Think Lyon will make the difference tomorrow, but if one of the quicks was to break down ...

[Peter]

Very true, t. He was protecting his quicks, which is understandable given how injury prone they all are. That was always a risk and they probably should have picked Sayers as a horses for courses selection on his home ground (should have picked another bowling option at 6 as well, but I guess Marsh has justified his place for now).

Think Lyon will make the difference tomorrow, but if one of the quicks was to break down ...

I may regret saying this but isnt the massive advantage of bowling in the final session more on england's side? Coupling the fact that our bowlers are a little toothless when the ball isnt swinging and their batsmen are pretty ****e when it is? I am not sure it makes THAT much difference when Australia bowl. Their raw pace and hostility is a problem all day and we didnt look in much more trouble this evening than in earlier in the day.

[Pokster]

I may regret saying this but isnt the massive advantage of bowling in the final session more on england's side? Coupling the fact that our bowlers are a little toothless when the ball isnt swinging and their batsmen are pretty ****e when it is? I am not sure it makes THAT much difference when Australia bowl. Their raw pace and hostility is a problem all day and we didnt look in much more trouble this evening than in earlier in the day.

All over by 6-30 Uk time tomorrow imo, couple of early wickets and then we lose by 100

[Luis Anaconda]

I may regret saying this but isnt the massive advantage of bowling in the final session more on england's side? Coupling the fact that our bowlers are a little toothless when the ball isnt swinging and their batsmen are pretty ****e when it is? I am not sure it makes THAT much difference when Australia bowl. Their raw pace and hostility is a problem all day and we didnt look in much more trouble this evening than in earlier in the day.

I doubt the final session will come into play tomorrow anyway p, but yes, you are probably right (hence I am surprised they didn't pick Sayers to exploit the conditions).

[Luis Anaconda]

All over by 6-30 Uk time tomorrow imo, couple of early wickets and then we lose by 100

Blimey - you think we'll last a session. Not like you to be an optimist

[World's End Stella]

I want to go on record as saying that England will win tomorrow.

I shall wake up, open my advent calendar, look at the result and think to myself 'just another sport I am an expert on'. :cloud9:

[Pokster]

Blimey - you think we'll last a session. Not like you to be an optimist

Rain imo :nod:

[Pokster]

I want to go on record as saying that England will win tomorrow.

I shall wake up, open my advent calendar, look at the result and think to myself 'just another sport I am an expert on'. :cloud9:

?????

And are you having a lie in tomorrow?

[Bergkamp Was Best]

We'll need no less than 3 wickets left with 30 runs to go to have any chance of winning :cricket:

[Luis Anaconda]

I want to go on record as saying that England will win tomorrow.

I shall wake up, open my advent calendar, look at the result and think to myself 'just another sport I am an expert on'. :cloud9:

And then reality strikes and you appear to have another sport about which you know jack ****

[Peter]

And then reality strikes and you appear to have another sport about which you know jack ****

Presumably he will now start supporting Australia.

Not a bad call, to be honest :(

[Pokster]

Presumably he will now start supporting Australia.

Not a bad call, to be honest :(

Hopefully he will go to their home games... his pale sweaty bonce will be burnt to a crisp