Tom Petty gone

[bbrian]

10 ****ling characters

[bbrian]

10 ****ling characters

Hang on..appears to be alive again

[Burney]

Hang on..appears to be alive again

He won’t back down imo

[bbrian]

He won’t back down imo

:hehe: ...dead again now it seems

[barrybueno]

He won’t back down imo

:clap: twiffic effort there B

[Ash]

10 ****ling characters

I'm Heartbroken.

[Sir C]

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Sounds like he failed to look after his heart. Overweight, too little exercise, smoking cigarettes, too much salt.

Self-inflicted, really :sniff:

[Peter]

Sounds like he failed to look after his heart. Overweight, too little exercise, smoking cigarettes, too much salt.

Self-inflicted, really :sniff:

I dont think I have ever met anyone who genuinely liked his music.

I mean, its alright...

[Sir C]

I dont think I have ever met anyone who genuinely liked his music.

I mean, its alright...

There must be Tom Petty fanatics out there but one does rather wonder why.

On the other hand, he was clearly greatly respected by his peers. Dylan and Springsteen are both said to be great fans of his work, for example. And they should know, I suppose.

[Peter]

There must be Tom Petty fanatics out there but one does rather wonder why.

On the other hand, he was clearly greatly respected by his peers. Dylan and Springsteen are both said to be great fans of his work, for example. And they should know, I suppose.


I never trust what musicians say about other musicians. THen again, I suppose if you are Dylan there is a bit of a hole in your life because you dont get to be a fan of Dylan. Ditto Springsteen.

Paul Weller doesnt know how lucky he is.

[eastgermanautos]

There must be Tom Petty fanatics out there but one does rather wonder why.

On the other hand, he was clearly greatly respected by his peers. Dylan and Springsteen are both said to be great fans of his work, for example. And they should know, I suppose.

Life goes on, my friends. Life is for the living. As far as Tom Petty, I think it was his name, which is analagous to Richard Petty, NASCAR Driver. So it was like you were getting two hits of straight-up Americana for the price of one. Listen to this Tom Petty song, get three free sparkplugs.

[Peter]

Life goes on, my friends. Life is for the living. As far as Tom Petty, I think it was his name, which is analagous to Richard Petty, NASCAR Driver. So it was like you were getting two hits of straight-up Americana for the price of one. Listen to this Tom Petty song, get three free sparkplugs.


Same thing worked for Born in the USA. You people do love droning on about your country and looking at your flag.

And guns. You love guns. All of you.

[eastgermanautos]

Same thing worked for Born in the USA. You people do love droning on about your country and looking at your flag.

And guns. You love guns. All of you.

Don't get me started on Springsteen. He can lick my mid-Atlantic ballsack. Fake astroturfing wannabe blue-collar fool. In terms of guns, sure, why not? Hunting purposes. And hunting of the human is the greatest game.

(Just kidding. Although not about Springsteen.)

[Peter]

Don't get me started on Springsteen. He can lick my mid-Atlantic ballsack. Fake astroturfing wannabe blue-collar fool. In terms of guns, sure, why not? Hunting purposes. And hunting of the human is the greatest game.

(Just kidding. Although not about Springsteen.)

Fake astroturfing wannabe blue collar fool?

You are going to have to help me with the astroturfing bit. Oh, and the fake. THe blue collar fool bit I get- we can 'park' that, as I believe you fellas are fond of saying.

[Pokster]

Don't get me started on Springsteen. He can lick my mid-Atlantic ballsack. Fake astroturfing wannabe blue-collar fool. In terms of guns, sure, why not? Hunting purposes. And hunting of the human is the greatest game.

(Just kidding. Although not about Springsteen.)

Lights blue touch paper and waits for Sir C to explode

[Sir C]

Lights blue touch paper and waits for Sir C to explode

One never stoops to debating with the Yanqui, p. They are, essentially, children, and should be treated as such.

[eastgermanautos]

Fake astroturfing wannabe blue collar fool?

You are going to have to help me with the astroturfing bit. Oh, and the fake. THe blue collar fool bit I get- we can 'park' that, as I believe you fellas are fond of saying.

Astroturfing, as I'm sure you know, is when a practitioner pretends to be "down-home," local, one of the boys, country, etc. It's often a ploy practiced by corporations or politicians. They pretend to be real Kansans but in fact they're some sh!tfvcks straight from NY's Upper East Side.

Anyway, I must admit I was a bit wrong about Springsteen. I had thought that he spent some time in high school in California. This would have been another form of astroturfing: pretending that one is from blue-collar New Jersey, while actually hanging with the cool kids out in Cali. Now it seems that his *parents relocated to Cali, while Bruce stayed in Jersey. So he is at least from Jersey, and emerged from Jersey. At the same time I do detect a degree of posing there, particularly in the aggressive claiming of the blue-collar mantle. I don't trust it, in fact it annoys me. I grew up close to there, in Maryland, so he's always represented the kind of BS one has to reckon with in one's early days. Fake bards, ad-men, people trying to appropriate whatever is authentic in one's life...

[Pokster]

One never stoops to debating with the Yanqui, p. They are, essentially, children, and should be treated as such.
Good point.... gun owning kids :yikes:

[Burney]

I dont think I have ever met anyone who genuinely liked his music.

I mean, its alright...

He's one of these people Americans seem to like, but whose music doesn't really translate anywhere else.

[Burney]

One never stoops to debating with the Yanqui, p. They are, essentially, children, and should be treated as such.

There was an NRA chap on the Today programme this morning. Lord, but their arguments are pisspoor! Pointing out that people die because of things other than guns really isn't an argument for being allowed to own guns.

Ultimately, they just love owning guns and see high rates of gun deaths as an acceptable price to pay for their right to do so. Fair enough, but I wish they'd just be honest.

[Burney]

Astroturfing, as I'm sure you know, is when a practitioner pretends to be "down-home," local, one of the boys, country, etc. It's often a ploy practiced by corporations or politicians. They pretend to be real Kansans but in fact they're some sh!tfvcks straight from NY's Upper East Side.

Anyway, I must admit I was a bit wrong about Springsteen. I had thought that he spent some time in high school in California. This would have been another form of astroturfing: pretending that one is from blue-collar New Jersey, while actually hanging with the cool kids out in Cali. Now it seems that his *parents relocated to Cali, while Bruce stayed in Jersey. So he is at least from Jersey, and emerged from Jersey. At the same time I do detect a degree of posing there, particularly in the aggressive claiming of the blue-collar mantle. I don't trust it, in fact it annoys me. I grew up close to there, in Maryland, so he's always represented the kind of BS one has to reckon with in one's early days. Fake bards, ad-men, people trying to appropriate whatever is authentic in one's life...

If it's lack of authenticity you're after, you probably ought to start with Bob Dylan, tbh. A nice, middle-class Jewish boy from Duluth Minnesota who basically spent his early career pretending to have been a boxcar-riding drifter poet a la Woody Guthrie. A complete fraud.

[Sir C]

If it's lack of authenticity you're after, you probably ought to start with Bob Dylan, tbh. A nice, middle-class Jewish boy from Duluth Minnesota who basically spent his early career pretending to have been a boxcar-riding drifter poet a la Woody Guthrie. A complete fraud.

Kebab, was it? Hmm?

[Burney]

Kebab, was it? Hmm?

Actually, no. I'd forgotten I'd made some Chicken tikka on Saturday. I consumed it standing up in the kitchen wrapped in a naan bread with mint and cucumber raita and a tomato and onion salad.

[World's End Stella]

Petty was good, not just OK. He wasn't great and only occasionally very good, but he was good.

I thought he had quite the impact on those Wilbury chaps who had a few excellent songs. And Learning to Fly is awfully foot tappable.

And he never did anything as bad as Cover Me. So there. :-)

[Sir C]

Actually, no. I'd forgotten I'd made some Chicken tikka on Saturday. I consumed it standing up in the kitchen wrapped in a naan bread with mint and cucumber raita and a tomato and onion salad.

Funny, that. Tonight I am doing some Greek-style lamb chops with Greek salad and tzatziki, which is pretty much the same thing, isn't it?

[Pokster]

Actually, no. I'd forgotten I'd made some Chicken tikka on Saturday. I consumed it standing up in the kitchen wrapped in a naan bread with mint and cucumber raita and a tomato and onion salad.

why were you wrapped in a naan bread

[Burney]

Funny, that. Tonight I am doing some Greek-style lamb chops with Greek salad and tzatziki, which is pretty much the same thing, isn't it?

:nod: Basically, yes. You will emerge stinking of garlic and cumin, I trust?

[Burney]

why were you wrapped in a naan bread

'Cos that's how your mum likes me.

[Sir C]

:nod: Basically, yes. You will emerge stinking of garlic and cumin, I trust?

Certainly. The lamb is already submerged in a marinade of garlic, lemon zest, cumin and oregano.*

*If in doubt, throw the kitchen sink at it.

[Burney]

Certainly. The lamb is already submerged in a marinade of garlic, lemon zest, cumin and oregano.*

*If in doubt, throw the kitchen sink at it.

But no salt? :-(

[Sir C]

But no salt? :-(

No salt.

On Sunday I momentarily was able to breathe through my right nostril for the first time in 20 years. It soon re-blocked itself but it made me wonder whether maybe, just maybe, my tubes might actually recover...

[Peter]

Astroturfing, as I'm sure you know, is when a practitioner pretends to be "down-home," local, one of the boys, country, etc. It's often a ploy practiced by corporations or politicians. They pretend to be real Kansans but in fact they're some sh!tfvcks straight from NY's Upper East Side.

Anyway, I must admit I was a bit wrong about Springsteen. I had thought that he spent some time in high school in California. This would have been another form of astroturfing: pretending that one is from blue-collar New Jersey, while actually hanging with the cool kids out in Cali. Now it seems that his *parents relocated to Cali, while Bruce stayed in Jersey. So he is at least from Jersey, and emerged from Jersey. At the same time I do detect a degree of posing there, particularly in the aggressive claiming of the blue-collar mantle. I don't trust it, in fact it annoys me. I grew up close to there, in Maryland, so he's always represented the kind of BS one has to reckon with in one's early days. Fake bards, ad-men, people trying to appropriate whatever is authentic in one's life...

I think I understand, although the message I am getting here is that you know you were wrong, as of course you were/are.

The irony with all of this is that his work is hugely auto-biographical. He is simultaneously accused of being boring because of this and fake because, well, he is claiming to be something he is not.

THe Jersey/California thing is pure laziness on the part of people looking for a stick to beat him with.

I am amazed people cant find more in his music to attack him for. When you have to go to the guy and where he grew up it feels like a losing game from the off. Some of his music is **** ;)

[Burney]

No salt.

On Sunday I momentarily was able to breathe through my right nostril for the first time in 20 years. It soon re-blocked itself but it made me wonder whether maybe, just maybe, my tubes might actually recover...

No drugs, exercise, no fags, no salt and moderate drinking.

You realise you're becoming everything you once despised, of course? :-(

[Burney]

I think I understand, although the message I am getting here is that you know you were wrong, as of course you were/are.

The irony with all of this is that his work is hugely auto-biographical. He is simultaneously accused of being boring because of this and fake because, well, he is claiming to be something he is not.

THe Jersey/California thing is pure laziness on the part of people looking for a stick to beat him with.

I am amazed people cant find more in his music to attack him for. When you have to go to the guy and where he grew up it feels like a losing game from the off. Some of his music is **** ;)

Just cars and girls, though, really, innit. :shrug:

[Peter]

If it's lack of authenticity you're after, you probably ought to start with Bob Dylan, tbh. A nice, middle-class Jewish boy from Duluth Minnesota who basically spent his early career pretending to have been a boxcar-riding drifter poet a la Woody Guthrie. A complete fraud.

That's ok though. Tapping into an american tradition is fine, particularly as he was from the back arse of nowhere. If you are born and raised in the posh part of Manhattan it would be a bit ****ing much.

Also, its Dylan. He can do whatever he likes and we can all go and **** ourselves.

[Sir C]

No drugs, exercise, no fags, no salt and moderate drinking.

You realise you're becoming everything you once despised, of course? :-(

My plan is to exist (I cannot say 'live') like this for three years, then get bang on it again when I'm 55 and peg out at 60 :cloud9:

[Peter]

Just cars and girls, though, really, innit. :shrug:

Isn't everything?

His real skill as a writer is his ability to make the universal personal. Which is why a song about a dusty beach road on the Jersey shore rings so true with a chap who grew up in Palmers Green.

The car in a Springsteen song is NEVER actually a car. Its important to remember that.

[Peter]

No drugs, exercise, no fags, no salt and moderate drinking.

You realise you're becoming everything you once despised, of course? :-(

Isn't that what we normally refer to as growing up?

[Burney]

My plan is to exist (I cannot say 'live') like this for three years, then get bang on it again when I'm 55 and peg out at 60 :cloud9:

You're going to start wiffling on about how much better your new, straight-edge lifestyle makes you feel, aren't you? :-(

[Pokster]

You're going to start wiffling on about how much better your new, straight-edge lifestyle makes you feel, aren't you? :-(

He's started already

[Sir C]

You're going to start wiffling on about how much better your new, straight-edge lifestyle makes you feel, aren't you? :-(

Oh Lord yes, and with a ridiculously smug, sanctimonious tone.

[Burney]

That's ok though. Tapping into an american tradition is fine, particularly as he was from the back arse of nowhere. If you are born and raised in the posh part of Manhattan it would be a bit ****ing much.

Also, its Dylan. He can do whatever he likes and we can all go and **** ourselves.

I didn't say it detracted from his music, just that it makes his wild west obsession seem a bit odd. :shrug:

[Peter]

I didn't say it detracted from his music, just that it makes his wild west obsession seem a bit odd. :shrug:

You attacked his authenticity, b. For many that would detract from the music.

[Rich]

:hehe: ...dead again now it seems

Would you be cross with me if I were to tell you that today is the first time I have heard the name 'Tom Petty', that I am confused with the gushing going on over the news and that I couldn't name a single piece of music that he's performed?

[Sir C]

Isn't that what we normally refer to as growing up?

Waiting to die, more like.

[Peter]

Waiting to die, more like.

You say tomato....

[Burney]

You attacked his authenticity, b. For many that would detract from the music.

For cùnts it might. :shrug: I'm an adult and have long since realised that 'authenticity' is a childish snare and a delusion. The idea of 'authenticity' in pop music is so absurd as to be funny, in fact. Do these people think less of Adam Ant because he wasn't really a pirate?

[Peter]

For cùnts it might. :shrug: I'm an adult and have long since realised that 'authenticity' is a childish snare and a delusion. The idea of 'authenticity' in pop music is so absurd as to be funny, in fact. Do these people think less of Adam Ant because he wasn't really a pirate?

Agreed. However...... there is perhaps a higher standard when one writes songs as a vehicle for social change. In the same way, I care little if a politician wishes to spend an evening with coke and hoookers. If he spends his working day lecturing the rest of us on family values and drug law then I have a bit of an issue with it.

As I say, with Dylan is really doesnt matter at all. Did you see the fuss people made when they realised that Billy Bragg lives in a fairly large house?

[Sir C]

You say tomato....

I most certainly do not.

[Peter]

I most certainly do not.

Sorry, I thought you did. My mistake.

[Ash]

No salt.

On Sunday I momentarily was able to breathe through my right nostril for the first time in 20 years. It soon re-blocked itself but it made me wonder whether maybe, just maybe, my tubes might actually recover...

I dreamed that someone offered me a line which, as I snorted it, turned out to be orange caviar.

[SWv2]

There must be Tom Petty fanatics out there but one does rather wonder why.

On the other hand, he was clearly greatly respected by his peers. Dylan and Springsteen are both said to be great fans of his work, for example. And they should know, I suppose.

I would have thought TP was right up your musical street.

That is not an insult by the way, merely an observation. An incorrect one as it goes.

[eastgermanautos]

I think I understand, although the message I am getting here is that you know you were wrong, as of course you were/are.

The irony with all of this is that his work is hugely auto-biographical. He is simultaneously accused of being boring because of this and fake because, well, he is claiming to be something he is not.

THe Jersey/California thing is pure laziness on the part of people looking for a stick to beat him with.

I am amazed people cant find more in his music to attack him for. When you have to go to the guy and where he grew up it feels like a losing game from the off. Some of his music is **** ;)

You know, this is an interesting topic, and I am gathering materials for a script about it. It's not only an American problem though. In England in the 19th century there was a lot of striving after epic forms, romances. This required an assessment of whether something was legitimate. Macpherson's Ossian of course was not an ancient Gaelic text, but was a fake created by Macpherson himself. Not to say that the result is devoid of quality. I actually, dare I admit it, like Ossian.

I like the classic Springsteen but I wrestle with the unselective Springsteen. Who doesn't like Darlington County or Nebraska? It's that stuff he did in the 90s or early 2000s which is problematic. He uses the blue-collar mantle to start yammering on about post-9/11 themes. In other words, he's parodying himself. Because I had questions about the authenticity of the original, I have those questions doubly when it concerns something which feels tendentious, rabble-rousing, coercive to the norm.

He's very very talented, but can we decide what's good and what's not good. Can we say to Springsteen, No, sir. Not that one!

[eastgermanautos]

I most certainly do not.

:hehe: .

[Peter]

You know, this is an interesting topic, and I am gathering materials for a script about it. It's not only an American problem though. In England in the 19th century there was a lot of striving after epic forms, romances. This required an assessment of whether something was legitimate. Macpherson's Ossian of course was not an ancient Gaelic text, but was a fake created by Macpherson himself. Not to say that the result is devoid of quality. I actually, dare I admit it, like Ossian.

I like the classic Springsteen but I wrestle with the unselective Springsteen. Who doesn't like Darlington County or Nebraska? It's that stuff he did in the 90s or early 2000s which is problematic. He uses the blue-collar mantle to start yammering on about post-9/11 themes. In other words, he's parodying himself. Because I had questions about the authenticity of the original, I have those questions doubly when it concerns something which feels tendentious, rabble-rousing, coercive to the norm.

He's very very talented, but can we decide what's good and what's not good. Can we say to Springsteen, No, sir. Not that one!

I dont like Darlington County.

[eastgermanautos]

I dont like Darlington County.

I don't believe you. It's you and Wayne, Pete, on the 4th of Jooly. :music:

[Peter]

I don't believe you. It's you and Wayne, Pete, on the 4th of Jooly. :music:

Its another of his songs with disturbing references to young girls. Too many on that album....

[Sir C]

Its another of his songs with disturbing references to young girls. Too many on that album....

There's nothing wrong with young girls, p. Your tastes are obviously more inclined towards the young boys, nad God knows there's nothing wrong with that, but young girls are also cool.

[eastgermanautos]

Its another of his songs with disturbing references to young girls. Too many on that album....

It's a tale of young love thwarted by the friggin Po-lease.

Which, moreover, is followed by another song on the same topic, Workin on the Highway

[Peter]

It's a tale of young love thwarted by the friggin Po-lease.

Which, moreover, is followed by another song on the same topic, Workin on the Highway

Yes, another that ranks alongside the worst he has ever recorded. In Working on the Highway he is actually arrested for what I assume is statutory rape.

As I dont believe he has ever personally fallen foul of this particular law, the song is not only dreadful and inappropriate, it also make him a bit of a fake. Claiming to be a ***** when he isn't. Typical!

Then we have the sexual predator in I'm On Fire, enquiringly as to whether the little girl's daddy is home. Its just all kinds of wrong.....

[Peter]

There's nothing wrong with young girls, p. Your tastes are obviously more inclined towards the young boys, nad God knows there's nothing wrong with that, but young girls are also cool.

My tastes dont tend to extend to statutory rape. I am NOT Bill Wyman.....

[Sir C]

Yes, another that ranks alongside the worst he has ever recorded. In Working on the Highway he is actually arrested for what I assume is statutory rape.

As I dont believe he has ever personally fallen foul of this particular law, the song is not only dreadful and inappropriate, it also make him a bit of a fake. Claiming to be a ***** when he isn't. Typical!

Then we have the sexual predator in I'm On Fire, enquiringly as to whether the little girl's daddy is home. Its just all kinds of wrong.....

Here we see the prudery of the radical left.

[Burney]

Its another of his songs with disturbing references to young girls. Too many on that album....

It does refer to the World Trade Centres as well. Clear pre-figuring of his later, post-9/11 work, there.

[Burney]

Here we see the prudery of the radical left.

He's very honest in that song about his bedwetting problem, as well. I think we ought to applaud his bravery.

[Peter]

Here we see the prudery of the radical left.

Its prudish to find sex with underage girls a little off putting?

I suppose I should admit that I am only complaining because I hate the song. If Backstreets was about the same topic I would still love it.

[Peter]

It does refer to the World Trade Centres as well. Clear pre-figuring of his later, post-9/11 work, there.

Specifically he claims that his father owns one of them. I have looked into this and believe it to be false.

[Sir C]

Its prudish to find sex with underage girls a little off putting?

I suppose I should admit that I am only complaining because I hate the song. If Backstreets was about the same topic I would still love it.

Harriet Harmann is all in favour of such activities, I understand.

[Peter]

Harriet Harmann is all in favour of such activities, I understand.


Huh??? Wddododod?

[Burney]

Huh??? Wddododod?

Google Harriet Harman and PIE

[Burney]

Specifically he claims that his father owns one of them. I have looked into this and believe it to be false.

Well it's certainly false now.

[Sir C]

Huh??? Wddododod?

:nod: She's an enthusiastic supporter of the rights of elderly sweaty men to interfere with kiddies.

Lovely lady.

[Peter]

Google Harriet Harman and PIE

Oh dear....

She once told me to 'get out of the ****ing way'. I didn't get out of the ****ing way.......

[Peter]

:nod: She's an enthusiastic supporter of the rights of elderly sweaty men to interfere with kiddies.

Lovely lady.

Without question, one of the least popular people in Westminster, and for very good reason. A right arsehole.

[eastgermanautos]

Yes, another that ranks alongside the worst he has ever recorded. In Working on the Highway he is actually arrested for what I assume is statutory rape.

As I dont believe he has ever personally fallen foul of this particular law, the song is not only dreadful and inappropriate, it also make him a bit of a fake. Claiming to be a ***** when he isn't. Typical!

Then we have the sexual predator in I'm On Fire, enquiringly as to whether the little girl's daddy is home. Its just all kinds of wrong.....

Oh god, this is ridiculous. The protagonists in each of these songs is probably like 18 or 19, and it's the Boss Man or else tyrannical patriarch who wants to put a clamp on it. Statutory rape comes into play if it's a grossly dissimilar age. What we are talking about, O man of the people, is a situation where some worker bloke can't make anything happen to change his life. He thinks, perhaps foolishly, that some little hottie is going to improve his lot or else validate his self-image. Poignant and mistaken but not grounds for disapproval.

[Peter]

Oh god, this is ridiculous. The protagonists in each of these songs is probably like 18 or 19, and it's the Boss Man or else tyrannical patriarch who wants to put a clamp on it. Statutory rape comes into play if it's a grossly dissimilar age. What we are talking about, O man of the people, is a situation where some worker bloke can't make anything happen to change his life. He thinks, perhaps foolishly, that some little hottie is going to improve his lot or else validate his self-image. Poignant and mistaken but not grounds for disapproval.

Nah, he's a ***** :p

One song you could get away with. Three on the same album is practically a *****'s charter. A manifesto, almost.

Anyway, the songs are ****e.

[redgunamo]

... he wasn't really a pirate?

Wasn't he? :-(

[Ash]

Wasn't he? :-(

He had two drummers, though.

[SWv2]

He had two drummers, though.

The current live ensemble for a very well-known and widely respected musical artist includes two drummers though one focuses more on percussion instruments other than drums as you and I would know them.

[redgunamo]

The current live ensemble for a very well-known and widely respected musical artist includes two drummers though one focuses more on percussion instruments other than drums as you and I would know them.

That'd be Snowboy, I suppose?

[redgunamo]

He had two drummers, though.

Exactly. And if that isn't pirate behaviour, I'm sure I don't know what is.

[dismalswamp]

This was supposed to be a Tom Petty thread. What the **** has gone on?
I for one am a big fan. Enjoy.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/tom-petty-performs-with-bob-dylan-axl-rose-stevie-nicks-w506797/swingin-1999-w506804

[Ash]

This was supposed to be a Tom Petty thread. What the **** has gone on?


AWIMB doesn't work like that, Dismal.

Someone posts a thread about something, and people post on it what they are going to have for dinner, what's going on in other sports they like, and engaging in petty feuding.