First Simon Jenkins article on the importance of doing nothing

[Sir C]

to try to combat terrorism. :clap:

He always gets in inside 24 hours. In the world of appeasers, Jenkins is a true giant.

[Burney]

to try to combat terrorism. :clap:

He always gets in inside 24 hours. In the world of appeasers, Jenkins is a true giant.

One wonders how he would respond to a modern version of the old "What would you do if an enemy solider was raping your sister?" conchy question.

Presumably, he'd stand there and let him for fear of stirring up Islamophobia otherwise. Pathetic old ****.

[Monty92]

to try to combat terrorism. :clap:

He always gets in inside 24 hours. In the world of appeasers, Jenkins is a true giant.

Did you get as far as the final sentence? That, to me, is a pretty thinly veiled way of saying "we had it coming"

[Burney]

to try to combat terrorism. :clap:

He always gets in inside 24 hours. In the world of appeasers, Jenkins is a true giant.

461 Europeans have been murdered by Islamic terror since 2016. But we should just sit tight and not even put up barriers to protect ourselves because that's 'terrorising' our cities to his mind.

I really would love to kick that man squarely in the gonads.

[Burney]

461 Europeans have been murdered by Islamic terror since 2015. But we should just sit tight and not even put up barriers to protect ourselves because that's 'terrorising' our cities to his mind.

I really would love to kick that man squarely in the gonads.

That appalling woman Yasmin Alibhai-Brown was wringing her hands about it yesterday with the words 'What have Catalonians ever done to muslims?', thus clearly suggesting that the rest of us basically deserved it.

[Pat Vegas]

461 Europeans have been murdered by Islamic terror since 2016. But we should just sit tight and not even put up barriers to protect ourselves because that's 'terrorising' our cities to his mind.

I really would love to kick that man squarely in the gonads.

We must not change our way of life. 'that's what they want'

From all these events there has been one weird bloke who wanted revenge and tried to attack the mosque and only succeeded to kill a bloke who was conveniently already dying.

That story stinks.

[Ash]

That appalling woman Yasmin Alibhai-Brown was wringing her hands about it yesterday with the words 'What have Catalonians ever done to muslims?', thus clearly suggesting that the rest of us basically deserved it.

However relevant or not-relevant the approx one-to-two million deaths in Muslim countries resulting from recent conflicts initiated by US-UK-France and some other NATO outlets may be in this discussion, the above could equally be making the point that the 'revenge on crusaders' argument sometimes made by IS/AQ and their ilk is utterly specious.

[Pat Vegas]

However relevant or not-relevant the approx one-to-two million deaths in Muslim countries resulting from recent conflicts initiated by US-UK-France and some other NATO outlets may be in this discussion, the above could equally be making the point that the 'revenge on crusaders' argument sometimes made by IS/AQ and their ilk is utterly specious.

Hmm but I was a told it's nothing to do with Islam.

[Burney]

However relevant or not-relevant the approx one-to-two million deaths in Muslim countries resulting from recent conflicts initiated by US-UK-France and some other NATO outlets may be in this discussion, the above could equally be making the point that the 'revenge on crusaders' argument sometimes made by IS/AQ and their ilk is utterly specious.

But they don't make that argument. In Dabiq they made it clear that they would still kill us regardless of our foreign policy. They don't kill us because of what we do, they kill us because we exist.

The only people who actually think ISIS attack us because of our foreign policies are western-based lefties keen to excuse muslim extremism and condemn western nations.

[Sir C]

Did you get as far as the final sentence? That, to me, is a pretty thinly veiled way of saying "we had it coming"

I hadn't made it that far because of the nausea indiuced by the first couple of paragraphs, but now you've prompted me to read it, I've got rage to go with my sickness. Thanks a bunch.

[redgunamo]

Did you get as far as the final sentence? That, to me, is a pretty thinly veiled way of saying "we had it coming"

I've not read the article, but I agree with that part.

[World's End Stella]

I hadn't made it that far because of the nausea indiuced by the first couple of paragraphs, but now you've prompted me to read it, I've got rage to go with my sickness. Thanks a bunch.

I had no issue with the article at all until the last paragraph.

At which point I wanted to repeatedly punch Simon in the face. Appalling c*nt.

[Burney]

I've not read the article, but I agree with that part.

Oh, we had it coming, but not for the reasons he's suggesting. We had it coming in the same way that a host who invites every scumbag for miles around to his party has it coming when they steal everything he owns and trash the place.

[PSRB]

That appalling woman Yasmin Alibhai-Brown was wringing her hands about it yesterday with the words 'What have Catalonians ever done to muslims?', thus clearly suggesting that the rest of us basically deserved it.

Well they weren't really targeting Catalonians, just the barbaric tourists

[Burney]

Well they weren't really targeting Catalonians, just the barbaric tourists

Unfortunately, a speeding van is not really a precision weapon

[Peter]

Unfortunately, a speeding van is not really a precision weapon

It's the 'poor man's guided missile' apparently.

[Burney]

It's the 'poor man's guided missile' apparently.

Yes. The idiocy in that article was so general that I missed quite how stupid that analogy was.

[redgunamo]

One wonders how he would respond to a modern version of the old "What would you do if an enemy solider was raping your sister?" conchy question.

Presumably, he'd stand there and let him for fear of stirring up Islamophobia otherwise. Pathetic old ****.

I don't know the fellow, but be aware that "enemy" may hold a different meaning to him than it does for you. Not to mention "raping".

[Peter]

Yes. The idiocy in that article was so general that I missed quite how stupid that analogy was.

I have no idea who the bloke is but the article veers between stupid and pointless, frequently embracing both.

Who gives a **** if we have to put up a few barriers?

This statue stuff in America is annoying the **** out of me as well, not least because I have ended up agreeing with Donald ****ing Trump......

[redgunamo]

I have no idea who the bloke is but the article veers between stupid and pointless, frequently embracing both.

Who gives a **** if we have to put up a few barriers?

This statue stuff in America is annoying the **** out of me as well, not least because I have ended up agreeing with Donald ****ing Trump......

Christ! What do you agree with Donald Trump about?

[Peter]

Christ! What do you agree with Donald Trump about?

Tearing down statues.

[Burney]

I have no idea who the bloke is but the article veers between stupid and pointless, frequently embracing both.

Who gives a **** if we have to put up a few barriers?

This statue stuff in America is annoying the **** out of me as well, not least because I have ended up agreeing with Donald ****ing Trump......

Well this is sort of the thing with the polarisation of US politics. After a while, almost any sane human being is forced into a situation where they have to either agree with Donald Trump or tacitly endorse the lunacy that is rife among his opponents. It's how he won the election.

[redgunamo]

Well this is sort of the thing with the polarisation of US politics. After a while, almost any sane human being is forced into a situation where they have to either agree with Donald Trump or tacitly endorse the lunacy that is rife among his opponents. It's how he won the election.

I'm not sure. Practically everyone's had lunatic Left sympathies at some stage in their life, haven't they. Perhaps that's the trouble; had everyone always been as staunch as they now claim, we wouldn't be where we are now? After all, the Left has always struggled politically, electorally, over a longer period of time so, to alleviate this, it's always really been about the culture (education, the media etc.), for them. That's long been their battlefield of choice, so to speak.

[Peter]

Well this is sort of the thing with the polarisation of US politics. After a while, almost any sane human being is forced into a situation where they have to either agree with Donald Trump or tacitly endorse the lunacy that is rife among his opponents. It's how he won the election.

Do these dickheads think they can just erase the most momentous period of their country's history? And that getting rid of a few statues of soldiers is going to do that?

I find it utterly bewildering....

[redgunamo]

Do these dickheads think they can just erase the most momentous period of their country's history? And that getting rid of a few statues of soldiers is going to do that?

I find it utterly bewildering....

I suppose it's the difference between an actual book and its online or digital counterpart; one of them can be re-edited or even erased completely. Maybe it's also why Hollywood is busy re-making many of its old hits?

[Ash]

Do these dickheads think they can just erase the most momentous period of their country's history? And that getting rid of a few statues of soldiers is going to do that?

I find it utterly bewildering....

One of the points argued is that these statues were not put up just after the civil war but either in the 20s or 60s - the latter in opposition to the civil rights movement. Also, that no-one complains when statues of Lenin and co are removed in the former USSR.

I'm not really on any side here, btw. Though by a coincidence I got a book on London statues and monuments for my birthday this week. I might go and pull a few down if I disagreed with something they did.

Oh, and I also read some remarkably racist quotes from Abraham Lincoln which somewhat deflates the virtue balloon of the Unionist side.

[redgunamo]

Oh, and I also read some remarkably racist quotes from Abraham Lincoln which somewhat deflates the virtue balloon of the Unionist side.

Nobody's perfect, are they. But maybe the point is that nobody dares say that about Martin Luther King, for example.

[Sir C]

I'm not sure. Practically everyone's had lunatic Left sympathies at some stage in their life, haven't they. Perhaps that's the trouble; had everyone always been as staunch as they now claim, we wouldn't be where we are now? After all, the Left has always struggled politically, electorally, over a longer period of time so, to alleviate this, it's always really been about the culture (education, the media etc.), for them. That's long been their battlefield of choice, so to speak.

I fúcking haven't, I can assure you.

[Sir C]

Nobody's perfect, are they. But maybe the point is that nobody dares say that about Martin Luther King, for example.

MLK was no fan of battymen, I understand.

[redgunamo]

I fúcking haven't, I can assure you.

Yeah, I think you have. Anyway, you certainly do now.

[redgunamo]

MLK was no fan of battymen, I understand.

No reason why he should've been, of course, but I take your point completely.

[Ash]

I fúcking haven't, I can assure you.

But you believe in equal rights for women and gays, Sir C! That makes you a raving pinko in redg's book, I imagine. Pwopah old-school conservative is redg.

EDIT: You probably don't even believe in God!

[Sir C]

Yeah, I think you have. Anyway, you certainly do now.

:-( You can't say dem fings, r.

[Sir C]

But you believe in equal rights for women and gays, Sir C! That makes you a raving pinko in redg's book, I imagine. Pwopah old-school conservative is redg.

EDIT: You probably don't even believe in God!

Well yes I do, but I accept that birds can't be as good at some things as men because they don't have the same physical strength or ability to throw. Also, in some circumstances they can become all emotional about shít. So having chicks on the front line, for example, would be a step too far for me.

I'm all over the bumders, as you know, but I'm not really happy about gay marriage. Adam and Eve, innit. Not Adam and Steve.

As for God, I remain agnostic. Or I think so, anyway.

None of these opinions is leftist or rightist, is it? Surely they're just... common sense?

[redgunamo]

But you believe in equal rights for women and gays, Sir C! That makes you a raving pinko in redg's book, I imagine. Pwopah old-school conservative is redg.

EDIT: You probably don't even believe in God!

In fairness, it's not me whining about being suicide-bombed or white-vanned in the streets.

[Monty92]

Well yes I do, but I accept that birds can't be as good at some things as men because they don't have the same physical strength or ability to throw. Also, in some circumstances they can become all emotional about shít. So having chicks on the front line, for example, would be a step too far for me.

I'm all over the bumders, as you know, but I'm not really happy about gay marriage. Adam and Eve, innit. Not Adam and Steve.

As for God, I remain agnostic. Or I think so, anyway.

None of these opinions is leftist or rightist, is it? Surely they're just... common sense?

Are you agnostic about the existence of Zeus and Thor as well? What about the fairies at the bottom of your garden?

[Pokster]

Are you agnostic about the existence of Zeus and Thor as well? What about the fairies at the bottom of your garden?

don't think it is PC to call them fairies anymore m

[redgunamo]

Well yes I do, but I accept that birds can't be as good at some things as men because they don't have the same physical strength or ability to throw. Also, in some circumstances they can become all emotional about shít. So having chicks on the front line, for example, would be a step too far for me.

I'm all over the bumders, as you know, but I'm not really happy about gay marriage. Adam and Eve, innit. Not Adam and Steve.

As for God, I remain agnostic. Or I think so, anyway.

None of these opinions is leftist or rightist, is it? Surely they're just... common sense?

Sure. But the context here is "rightists" believing these things go without saying and "leftists" thinking that these are terrible anomalies and injustices that need to be wiped from history regardless of any common sense aspects.

Essentially, it's the singer that's important here, rather than the song.

[Sir C]

Are you agnostic about the existence of Zeus and Thor as well? What about the fairies at the bottom of your garden?

You are questioning my agnosticism on logical grounds there, aren't you?

You do appreciate how fúcking stupid that is, don't you?

[Monty92]

You are questioning my agnosticism on logical grounds there, aren't you?

You do appreciate how fúcking stupid that is, don't you?

What, being illogical? Yes I do.

So stop being stupid and just tell people you don't believe in God ('atheist' being as redundant a term as 'agnostic')

[Sir C]

What, being illogical? Yes I do.

So stop being stupid and just tell people you don't believe in God ('atheist' being as redundant a term as 'agnostic')

May one enquire what gives you the right to decide what I should tell people? You're overstepping your remit here by quite a margin.

Plus, if I go to this place in Colindale and there's no booze, I will twist your little jew cock off and ram it up your saggy old arsepart. And the Lord will look kindly upon my work.

[barrybueno]

In fairness, it's not me whining about being suicide-bombed or white-vanned in the streets.

You can't use the term 'white-vanned' in this day and age reds :judge:

[Ash]

You are questioning my agnosticism on logical grounds there, aren't you?

You do appreciate how fúcking stupid that is, don't you?

True believers see agnostics as atheists trying to hedge their bets.

I think you have to pick a side. God is more likely to spare you if She sees the courage of your convictions. :nod:

[Sir C]

True believers see agnostics as atheists trying to hedge their bets.

I think you have to pick a side. God is more likely to spare you if She sees the courage of your convictions. :nod:

Yes, but true believers are mental, surely?

I believe you will find that the correct pronoun for God is xe, given that xe is genderfluid :nod:

[Monty92]

May one enquire what gives you the right to decide what I should tell people? You're overstepping your remit here by quite a margin.

Plus, if I go to this place in Colindale and there's no booze, I will twist your little jew cock off and ram it up your saggy old arsepart. And the Lord will look kindly upon my work.

You can't go around saying you're undecided about the idea that there's a flying spaghetti monster and then get all huffy when people occasionally step in and tell you to stop being a spastic.

I didn't see any booze, but I did have a delightful chilled passion fruit bubble tea. Could that work for you guys?

[redgunamo]

What, being illogical? Yes I do.

So stop being stupid and just tell people you don't believe in God ('atheist' being as redundant a term as 'agnostic')

Right. Those terms are especially meaningless anyway, if you want to be modern, liberal and secular.

[Monty92]

Right. Those terms are especially meaningless anyway, if you want to be modern, liberal and secular.

I may share a (theoretical) commitment to secularism with liberals, but unlike liberals I can see the downsides.

[Sir C]

You can't go around saying you're undecided about the idea that there's a flying spaghetti monster and not expect people to occasionally step in and tell you to stop being a spastic.

I didn't see any booze, but I did have a delightful chilled passion fruit bubble tea. Could that work for you guys?

That'll be fine if we remember to take a hipflask of mescaline.

No booze, for Christ's sake. How can you eat a meal without wine? It's barbaric.

[Monty92]

That'll be fine if we remember to take a hipflask of mescaline.

No booze, for Christ's sake. How can you eat a meal without wine? It's barbaric.

There's an all-singing all-dancing restaurant on the ground floor which I am sure serves wine. Just buy a bottle from there and take it up to the food court.

Go with an appetite and get the funky sounding dishes first. I made the fatal mistake of ordering the pigs intestines in ejaculate soup at the very end, and was rather uncomfortably close to vomiting :-(

[World's End Stella]

What, being illogical? Yes I do.

So stop being stupid and just tell people you don't believe in God ('atheist' being as redundant a term as 'agnostic')

Shame Gandhi and Einstein aren't around so that Charles could explain to them how stupid they are as well, eh?

Nothing suggests to me that someone is intellectually limited more than the assumption that there is no limit to the capabilities of man's intellect. That's you that is, Monty.

[Sir C]

There's an all-singing all-dancing restaurant on the ground floor which I am sure serves wine. Just buy a bottle from there and take it up to the food court.

Go with an appetite and get the funky sounding dishes first. I made the fatal mistake of ordering the pigs intestines in ejaculate soup at the very end, and was rather uncomfortably close to vomiting :-(

I'm kind of done with ordering the bizarre-sounding stuff. I've eaten oddness all over the world, from chicken feet and intestines to termites, ants and frogs and snake wine and snakeblood sauce and fried tarantula and locusts and crocodile and zzzzzzzz. Who can be ársed with all that nonsense now we're grown ups.

[Sir C]

Shame Gandhi and Einstein aren't around so that Charles could explain to them how stupid they are as well, eh?

Nothing suggests to me that someone is intellectually limited more than the assumption that there is no limit to the capabilities of man's intellect. That's you that is, Monty.

In fairness Gandhi was a fúcking moron and Einstein German, so they're not exactly what you'd call an admirable couple, are they?

[World's End Stella]

In fairness Gandhi was a fúcking moron and Einstein German, so they're not exactly what you'd call an admirable couple, are they?

Admirable is debatable, the caliber of their intellect is not. Besides, you don't have to look very hard to find awfully intelligent people who hold a deep religious faith. I don't myself, you understand, but I would never belittle someone's intellect because they did.

That is the act of a moron. Or possibly someone who writes photo captions for a living.

[Burney]

:-( You can't say dem fings, r.

You found that bloke not guilty, didn't you? That was pretty lefty of you, I'd say.

[Monty92]

Shame Gandhi and Einstein aren't around so that Charles could explain to them how stupid they are as well, eh?

Nothing suggests to me that someone is intellectually limited more than the assumption that there is no limit to the capabilities of man's intellect. That's you that is, Monty.

No, they believed in the spiritual (as do I) but at that time the concept did not have the western scientific backing to give it a name other than 'God'

[redgunamo]

I would merely add that for them, there is no downsides. For them, the war is against certain people,
rather than against certain ideas.

Or, to put it another way, the ideas held by certain people are to be considered wrong by definition. Ideas promulgated by those people are wrong, if only because it's those people promulgating them. Logic is redundant here and they understand this fully, whereas you may not.




I may share a (theoretical) commitment to secularism with liberals, but unlike liberals I can see the downsides.

[Burney]

You can't go around saying you're undecided about the idea that there's a flying spaghetti monster and then get all huffy when people occasionally step in and tell you to stop being a spastic.

I didn't see any booze, but I did have a delightful chilled passion fruit bubble tea. Could that work for you guys?

Fùck right off, is it!

[Ash]

No, they believed in the spiritual (as do I) but at that time the concept did not have the western scientific backing to give it a name other than 'God'

Oooooh, what's all this then?

Believe in the spiritual do we?

Crystals, is it?

Auras?

Dabble in a bit of .... astrology .... do we, sir?

Hmmm?

[IUFG]

461 Europeans have been murdered by Islamic terror since 2016. But we should just sit tight and not even put up barriers to protect ourselves because that's 'terrorising' our cities to his mind.

I really would love to kick that man squarely in the gonads.

In that article there is mention of terrorism and terror.

The word 'Terrorist' is never used. 'Killer' and 'Suspects', on the other hand, are.

Is he deliberately trying to avoid calling these terrorists, terrorists?

[Burney]

What, being illogical? Yes I do.

So stop being stupid and just tell people you don't believe in God ('atheist' being as redundant a term as 'agnostic')

Why this unreasonable insistence on the absolute? What the fùck business is it of yours if someone occasionally wavers between rationalism and faith? Why must we be one thing or the other?

[Peter]

Oooooh, what's all this then?

Believe in the spiritual do we?

Crystals, is it?

Auras?

Dabble in a bit of .... astrology .... do we, sir?

Hmmm?

All sounds a little too Hoddle for my liking.

[Peter]

May one enquire what gives you the right to decide what I should tell people? You're overstepping your remit here by quite a margin.

Plus, if I go to this place in Colindale and there's no booze, I will twist your little jew cock off and ram it up your saggy old arsepart. And the Lord will look kindly upon my work.

He has a point, doesn't he? You either believe in God or you don't. Not knowing is one of many forms of not believing but they amount to the same thing.

As my old history teacher used to say, 'work not here is work not done'......

The dog didn't eat your faith.....

[Monty92]

Nah, just the mysteries of consciousness. All perfectly scientific.



Oooooh, what's all this then?

Believe in the spiritual do we?

Crystals, is it?

Auras?

Dabble in a bit of .... astrology .... do we, sir?

Hmmm?

[Peter]

Why this unreasonable insistence on the absolute? What the fùck business is it of yours if someone occasionally wavers between rationalism and faith? Why must we be one thing or the other?

Monty is a bit all or nothing on many things. Brexit is brexit, it means what it means- there is only one Brexit and it cannot mean anything else.

Similarly, Islam is Islam, interpretation is a red herring. It means rape and terrorism.

[Peter]

Nah, just the mysteries of consciousness. All perfectly scientific.

Scientific mysteries. How very empirical....

[Sir C]

You found that bloke not guilty, didn't you? That was pretty lefty of you, I'd say.

It really, really wasn't. There simply wasn't anywhere near enough credible evidence to put his guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

[Monty92]

Do you wavour between rationalism and faith in any other aspects of your life? Do you ever step outside and find yourself hoping the laws of gravity hold firm and prevent you from floating into the sky?

No you don't. So why wavour when it comes to the existence of a Flying Spaghetti Monster?


Why this unreasonable insistence on the absolute? What the fùck business is it of yours if someone occasionally wavers between rationalism and faith? Why must we be one thing or the other?

[Monty92]

No less empirical than research into dark matter. Or do you consider that airy fairy bull**** because we don't know all the answers yet?


Scientific mysteries. How very empirical....

[Monty92]

Stop reducing me to a caricature. It's mean. And don't even think about adding a comedy big nose.



Monty is a bit all or nothing on many things. Brexit is brexit, it means what it means- there is only one Brexit and it cannot mean anything else.

Similarly, Islam is Islam, interpretation is a red herring. It means rape and terrorism.

[Burney]

He has a point, doesn't he? You either believe in God or you don't. Not knowing is one of many forms of not believing but they amount to the same thing.

As my old history teacher used to say, 'work not here is work not done'......

The dog didn't eat your faith.....

Man is a duality of the rational and the irrational. They co-exist and we are all perfectly capable of knowing rationally that something isn't the case while still nonetheless retaining a vestigial - if irrational - belief in that thing,

[Sir C]

Stop reducing me to a caricature. It's mean. And don't even think about adding a comedy big nose.

I detest it when people are mean to you monty :-( Bunch of ****s.

Being mean to you is my job, and I think I make a pretty good fist of it. On the odd occasion I remove it from your mum, obvs.

[redgunamo]

It really, really wasn't. There simply wasn't anywhere near enough credible evidence to put his guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

That's a good point actually. We never really know, do we, as we weren't actually there. So then there's reasonable doubt, but what happens when people start to ask the question "What is reason."

[Burney]

It really, really wasn't. There simply wasn't anywhere near enough credible evidence to put his guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

Yes, but he was clearly of the criminal classes, wasn't he? And if he hadn't done that, he'd done something else. Best to lock him up and be on the safe side imo.

[redgunamo]

Man is a duality of the rational and the irrational. They co-exist and we are all perfectly capable of knowing rationally that something isn't the case while still nonetheless retaining a vestigial - if irrational - belief in that thing,

But that's what rules are for, ain't it, so people don't have to think about all that?

[Sir C]

That's a good point actually. We never really know, do we, as we weren't actually there. So then there's reasonable doubt, but what happens when people start to ask the question "What is reason."

Oh the judge goes through all that nonsense ad nauseam before the jury retires. The legal definition of each of the words in the endictment, how to apply those definitions to the evidence presented, exactly what 'beyond reasonable doubt' means in legal terms, yadda yadda yadda.

It was fúcking boring, I can tell you.

[Sir C]

Yes, but he was clearly of the criminal classes, wasn't he? And if he hadn't done that, he'd done something else. Best to lock him up and be on the safe side imo.

Well he was a junkie with mental health issues but there was no mention of a criminal record. He was appallingly common, granted, but we can't lock all the common people up, can we? Who would serve us?

[redgunamo]

Oh the judge goes through all that nonsense ad nauseam before the jury retires. The legal definition of each of the words in the endictment, how to apply those definitions to the evidence presented, exactly what 'beyond reasonable doubt' means in legal terms, yadda yadda yadda.

It was fúcking boring, I can tell you.

The judge is in the same position as the jury though; he too, knows from nothing :shrug:

[Peter]

Stop reducing me to a caricature. It's mean. And don't even think about adding a comedy big nose.

Have I ever made a joke about your nose? Have I ever made a reference to you being Jewish? No, I haven't. Now would I ever.

I love the jews. All of them. Great bunch.

[Peter]

The judge is in the same position as the jury though; he too, knows from nothing :shrug:

Who the **** are you?

[Burney]

Do you wavour between rationalism and faith in any other aspects of your life? Do you ever step outside and find yourself hoping the laws of gravity hold firm and prevent you from floating into the sky?

No you don't. So why wavour when it comes to the existence of a Flying Spaghetti Monster?

You know that flying is a hugely safe form of transport. But you have many times told us how you fear or have feared it. Sir C finds your irrationality in this matter absurd just as you find his talk of agnosticism absurd.

In other words, you are not rational in all things, so why demand that others should be in areas where you profess a rather irksome certitude?

Gravity is a physical law, by the way. There is no physical law stating the non-existence of God.

[redgunamo]

Who the **** are you?

Is the answer "Paul Gascoigne"?

[Ash]

Man is a duality of the rational and the irrational. They co-exist and we are all perfectly capable of knowing rationally that something isn't the case while still nonetheless retaining a vestigial - if irrational - belief in that thing,

:nod: Like Arsenal winning the league.

[Peter]

You know that flying is a hugely safe form of transport. But you have many times told us how you fear or have feared it. Sir C finds your irrationality in this matter absurd just as you find his talk of agnosticism absurd.

In other words, you are not rational in all things, so why demand that others should be in ?

Gravity is a physical law, by the way. There is no physical law stating the non-existence of God.

Fear of flying is not irrational. It cant be, because I have it.

[Sir C]

Have I ever made a joke about your nose? Have I ever made a reference to you being Jewish? No, I haven't. Now would I ever.

I love the jews. All of them. Great bunch.

I used to love jews until I came into contact with monty. He's turned me into a sort of proto-Nazi. Another few years round here and I'll be ordering Jud Süß from Amazon and inviting our resident Hitler enthusiast la round to watch it :-(

[Peter]

Is the answer "Paul Gascoigne"?

Tell me who are you?

[Burney]

:nod: Like Arsenal winning the league.

Exactly so, a. Or Arsene's belief that Theo will eventually come good.

[Ash]

He was appallingly common, granted, but we can't lock all the common people up, can we? Who would serve us?

Middle class foreigners, of course. That's what the EU is for, after all. Move capital around to where it is most profitable, and ship all the labour around after it to make sure it is cheap. :shrug:

[Peter]

I used to love jews until I came into contact with monty. He's turned me into a sort of proto-Nazi. Another few years round here and I'll be ordering Jud Süß from Amazon and inviting our resident Hitler enthusiast la round to watch it :-(

Comedy, music, film.....all richer because of our jewish friends.

Also, the women are fit ;)

[Burney]

Well he was a junkie with mental health issues but there was no mention of a criminal record. He was appallingly common, granted, but we can't lock all the common people up, can we? Who would serve us?

It doesn't sound like this fellow would be much good at serving, tbh.

[Ash]

Fear of flying is not irrational. It cant be, because I have it.

Nothing irrational about being afraid of sitting in a thin metal tube thousands of feet in the air.

[Burney]

Comedy, music, film.....all richer because of our jewish friends.

Also, the women are fit ;)

Hmmm. Apart from salt beef and latkes, their food is minging, though. And they're shīt at sport.

And then there's the whole Goldman Sachs global hegemony thing, of course.

[Monty92]

Yes there is, coz it's well safe.




Nothing irrational about being afraid of sitting in a thin metal tube thousands of feet in the air.

[Sir C]

Fear of flying is not irrational. It cant be, because I have it.

Fear of flying is certainly irrational. Fear of crashing, not so much.

[Peter]

Nothing irrational about being afraid of sitting in a thin metal tube thousands of feet in the air.

I fear delays, the lack of a fag, the stench of the hairy ******* next to me....to be honest the thing plunging to the ground and exploding would probably come as a relief.

[Burney]

Fear of flying is certainly irrational. Fear of crashing, not so much.

Speaking as an unhappy flier, I'm not afraid of crashing. That's just death. It's the actual business of flying that I hate.

[Peter]

Hmmm. Apart from salt beef and latkes, their food is minging, though. And they're shīt at sport.

And then there's the whole Goldman Sachs global hegemony thing, of course.

Bagels. I will leave it at that.

The global banking cartel thing is a small price to pay for Bob Dylan and Woody Allen.

[Sir C]

Hmmm. Apart from salt beef and latkes, their food is minging, though. And they're shīt at sport.

And then there's the whole Goldman Sachs global hegemony thing, of course.

Not to mention the guzzling of the blood of christian babies.

[Burney]

Bagels. I will leave it at that.

The global banking cartel thing is a small price to pay for Bob Dylan and Woody Allen.

Ooof, I dunno. Have you heard Bob lately? :-(

[Peter]

Speaking as an unhappy flier, I'm not afraid of crashing. That's just death. It's the actual business of flying that I hate.

Precisely. Still silly though- worrying is using your imagination to create something that you don't want.

That's the sort of new age rainbow crap that Monty probably likes.

[Burney]

Not to mention the guzzling of the blood of christian babies.

Well, obvs. It's how they make Matzos, you know.

[Sir C]

Speaking as an unhappy flier, I'm not afraid of crashing. That's just death. It's the actual business of flying that I hate.

Hatred of flying isn't fear of flying, is it? Back in the day I used to hate the queues and the cramped conditions, but I didn't fear the experience.

[Sir C]

Hmmm. Apart from salt beef and latkes, their food is minging, though. And they're shīt at sport.

And then there's the whole Goldman Sachs global hegemony thing, of course.

Wait, what of the chopped liver and the chicken soup?

[Peter]

Ooof, I dunno. Have you heard Bob lately? :-(

Wooooah! He did his work decades ago. I don't need any new ****. Same with Woody.

[redgunamo]

Bagels. I will leave it at that.

The global banking cartel thing is a small price to pay for Bob Dylan and Woody Allen.

Indeed. And they also produce excellent hounds. Some of the best ever, in fact.

[Burney]

Hatred of flying isn't fear of flying, is it? Back in the day I used to hate the queues and the cramped conditions, but I didn't fear the experience.

No, you don't understand. For the early portions of most flights, my heartrate is through the roof and I'm having to control my breathing so as not to hyperventilate. It's an out-and-out fear response. I get it under control with the help of my first gin and tonic, but it's a very real fear thing. But the fear is not about crashing, it's a hind-brain response to a fùcking weird environment that my conscious, rational mind struggles to control.

It's a bugger, really.

[Peter]

Wait, what of the chopped liver and the chicken soup?

I regularly get to sample a 4th generation family recipe chicken liver pate. Its a genuine delight.

The chicken soup, not so much

[Peter]

Indeed. And they also produce excellent hounds. Some of the best ever, in fact.

Really? Hebrew hounds?

[Peter]

No, you don't understand. For the early portions of most flights, my heartrate is through the roof and I'm having to control my breathing so as not to hyperventilate. It's an out-and-out fear response. I get it under control with the help of my first gin and tonic, but it's a very real fear thing. But the fear is not about crashing, it's a hind-brain response to a fùcking weird environment that my conscious, rational mind struggles to control.

It's a bugger, really.

Valium and AC/DC works for me.

[redgunamo]

Really? Hebrew hounds?

One of the key regions of origin, innit. One of my newly-aquired puppies is called "Lavi", for a short-lived Israeli fighter jet.

[redgunamo]

Middle class foreigners, of course. That's what the EU is for, after all. Move capital around to where it is most profitable, and ship all the labour around after it to make sure it is cheap. :shrug:

Middle class foreigners is practically everybody nowadays though, isn't it. That's the trouble. And no-one says anything about the movement of capital until they lose their own job, do they.

Thing is, what's wrong is wrong, always, all the time, and not just when it affects you personally.

[redgunamo]

Wooooah! He did his work decades ago. I don't need any new ****. Same with Woody.

That's right, I think.