Of course, the statistics that would reveal whether or not this is down to

[Monty92]

institutionalised racism would be those that tell us whether or not black people are disproportionately likely to respond to police questioning with belligerence and aggression.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/01/met-police-using-force-against-disproportionately-large-number-of-black-people

[Sir C]

institutionalised racism would be those that tell us whether or not black people are disproportionately likely to respond to police questioning with belligerence and aggression.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/01/met-police-using-force-against-disproportionately-large-number-of-black-people

Well I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that after centuries of oppression by whitey, black people are entitled to respond with belligerance and aggression.

In short, fúck you, cracker.

[Peter]

institutionalised racism would be those that tell us whether or not black people are disproportionately likely to respond to police questioning with belligerence and aggression.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/01/met-police-using-force-against-disproportionately-large-number-of-black-people

Might also be useful to see what percentage of those arrested in each ethnic group suffered use of force. It might turn out that police are actually less likely to use force against a black person; they are just more likely to nick them and therefore they account for more incidents. A very different issue.

[Monty92]

Might also be useful to see what percentage of those arrested in each ethnic group suffered use of force. It might turn out that police are actually less likely to use force against a black person; they are just more likely to nick them and therefore they account for more incidents. A very different issue.

I do love this idea that you should be allowed to dress like an aggressive prick, walk like an aggressive prick, talk like an aggressive prick and give every possible impression that you're an aggressive prick, and then expect people not to take this into account when interacting with you.

[World's End Stella]

Might also be useful to see what percentage of those arrested in each ethnic group suffered use of force. It might turn out that police are actually less likely to use force against a black person; they are just more likely to nick them and therefore they account for more incidents. A very different issue.

It's not perfect but I would have thought that the likelihood that you are forcefully restrained by police has a strong correlation with your propensity for committing violent crime. If blacks commit 36% of the violent crime I would expect them to be on the end of around 36% of the use of force by the police.

It's certainly a better piece of analysis than comparing it to the % of the population they represent.

[Sir C]

It's not perfect but I would have thought that the likelihood that you are forcefully restrained by police has a strong correlation with your propensity for committing violent crime. If blacks commit 36% of the violent crime I would expect them to be on the end of around 36% of the use of force by the police.

It's certainly a better piece of analysis than comparing it to the % of the population they represent.

'People of colour' is the appropriate term, my old redneck chum.

[Peter]

I do love this idea that you should be allowed to dress like an aggressive prick, walk like an aggressive prick, talk like an aggressive prick and give every possible impression that you're an aggressive prick, and then expect people not to take this into account when interacting with you.

I wouldn't say you were an aggressive prick.

More of a ****.

[Monty92]

I wouldn't say you were an aggressive prick.

More of a ****.

Of course. But you wouldn't necessarily know it from just looking at me, and therein lies the difference.

[Peter]

It's not perfect but I would have thought that the likelihood that you are forcefully restrained by police has a strong correlation with your propensity for committing violent crime. If blacks commit 36% of the violent crime I would expect them to be on the end of around 36% of the use of force by the police.

It's certainly a better piece of analysis than comparing it to the % of the population they represent.

I would have thought it was more about resisting arrest. Surely they are trained to use force where necessary.

I also would expect a high number to involve drink.

[Sir C]

I wouldn't say you were an aggressive prick.

More of a ****.

Tell me again about the Labour party not being intrinsically anti-semitic?

What's that? You always pick on monty because Palestine? I see, that's fine then, clearly MONTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POLICIES OF THE ISRAELI GIVERNMENT!

This is a farce.

[Peter]

Of course. But you wouldn't necessarily know it from just looking at me, and therein lies the difference.

Well... I have seen photos. I would have my suspicions, at the very least.

[Monty92]

Well... I have seen photos. I would have my suspicions, at the very least.

Sure, but I reckon you'd give me the benefit of the doubt until I started speaking.

The police can't afford to rely on good faith with these dark chaps.

[Peter]

Tell me again about the Labour party not being intrinsically anti-semitic?

What's that? You always pick on monty because Palestine? I see, that's fine then, clearly MONTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POLICIES OF THE ISRAELI GIVERNMENT!

This is a farce.

I am a big fan of the jews. My grandfather was at Cable Street you know, kicking Moseley's arse.

I love a bagel.

[Sir C]

I am a big fan of the jews. My grandfather was at Cable Street you know, kicking Moseley's arse.

I love a bagel.

Could you arrange to introduce me to Laurie Penny? I assume you all socialise in the same circles.

[World's End Stella]

I am a big fan of the jews. My grandfather was at Cable Street you know, kicking Moseley's arse.

I love a bagel.

NY next week. Everything bagels with swiss not melted, chicken wings, pastrami on rye with swiss cheese and mustard and a mahoosive steak at Sparks.

:cloud9:

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

"People of colour" is somewhat redolent of the old school racism of southern gentlefolk. You don't happen to own a cotton plantation c?

[Peter]

Sure, but I reckon you'd give me the benefit of the doubt until I started speaking.

The police can't afford to rely on good faith with these dark chaps.

Procedure, innit. The lads are supposed to know what they are doing.

Anyway, use of force can mean pushing the chap's hands together rather swiftly. We live in wishy washy times where you can assault someone without making physical contact with them.

[Peter]

Could you arrange to introduce me to Laurie Penny? I assume you all socialise in the same circles.

I am not terribly popular in Labour circles after the whole Blair/wars/Corbyn business. I may have said a couple of silly things at silly moments.

Most of the people I knew are now unemployed :(

[Sir C]

"People of colour" is somewhat redolent of the old school racism of southern gentlefolk. You don't happen to own a cotton plantation c?

I'm a big fan of the southern gennerman, h. Indeed, I am privileged to know such a chap and wallow in his old world southern charm. I met him when he walked up next to me at a bar and said, "Bartender, give me a drink to wash away this taste of respectability."

I'd love to own one of those big ol' colonial houses, with the trees with the stuff hanging from them, like in Fletch, you know. And all the 'servants', and so on.

That would suit. Yes sirree.

[Sir C]

I am not terribly popular in Labour circles after the whole Blair/wars/Corbyn business. I may have said a couple of silly things at silly moments.

Most of the people I knew are now unemployed :(

:sigh: It's only a photo of her bottom I'm after, really.

[Monty92]

:sigh: It's only a photo of her bottom I'm after, really.

Here's a video of her being handed her bottom, if that helps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw

[Sir C]

Here's a video of her being handed her bottom, if that helps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw

I love that. If only Dave had punched her in the face as well :clap:

[Monty92]

I love that. If only Dave had punched her in the face as well :clap:

Well, given she's officially confirmed that it's ok to punch a Nazi for their beliefs, then we can only assume she'd be cool with someone else applying this same principle when it comes to her own beliefs.

[Sir C]

Well, given she's officially confirmed that it's ok to punch a Nazi for their beliefs, then we can only assume she'd be cool with someone else applying this same principle when it comes to her own beliefs.

I happened upon a website dedicated to her, called Laurie Penny Is A **** :clap:

[IUFG]

Here's a video of her being handed her bottom, if that helps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw

marvellous stuff.

[The Insider]

Not sure if anyone has already mentioned this (the ****er who ran the site previously has made it so slow that I can't be arsed to search), but there have been 14 men who have died in police custody in the most recent measured period. thre black, one mixed race and 11 white. Probaly not covered in the Guardian.

[Peter]

Here's a video of her being handed her bottom, if that helps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw

Oh my Lord. That really is quite difficult to watch. Embarrassing beyond belief.

Note how many sentences start with 'I just feel that'....a convenient tool to express an opinion that has precisely no grounding in fact.