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71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat
07-06-2017, 09:48 AM
:yikes: Wenger Out!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/06/manchester-united-romelu-lukaku-everton-agree-fee

Pat Vegas
07-06-2017, 09:50 AM
:yikes: Wenger Out!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/06/manchester-united-romelu-lukaku-everton-agree-fee

This does not concern me. He'll get a few more than what Ibrahimovic gave them last season.

SWv2
07-06-2017, 10:04 AM
:yikes: Wenger Out!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/06/manchester-united-romelu-lukaku-everton-agree-fee

Good player. Wenger out.

Luis Anaconda
07-06-2017, 10:06 AM
Good player. Wenger out.
Our Everton correspondent is less than impressed with him. Has to be said so is his new manager, otherwise why sell him a couple of years ago

SWv2
07-06-2017, 10:15 AM
Our Everton correspondent is less than impressed with him. Has to be said so is his new manager, otherwise why sell him a couple of years ago

I would have to bow to PRSB of course (not literally you understand) but always struck me as very good forward option in an average team.

Less of a risk perhaps than Morata who may have cost more.

The previous with Mourinho I wouldn't read too much into, very odd club in their past transfer dealings with the likes of Matic who they sold and bought back, others such as Salah and Cuadrado where you would wonder why they ever bought them, then the obvious de Bruyne and this lad.

Fúcked up really.

Tony C
07-06-2017, 10:17 AM
Fine player but lost some of his drive and skills when he cut his hair

Dreadlocked Lukaku was unplayable imo

redgunamo
07-06-2017, 10:17 AM
Our Everton correspondent is less than impressed with him. Has to be said so is his new manager, otherwise why sell him a couple of years ago

I think, if you want to win the league, you haven't really got time to nurture young strikers. Sadly, there's no patience anymore. It's just as well to let them develop somewhere else and even buy them back, if necessary, later when they're ready.

I gather we've been watching our new chap for many years but Wenger was never really convinced. Until now, after the last couple of years AL has had.

redgunamo
07-06-2017, 10:22 AM
I would have to bow to PRSB of course (not literally you understand) but always struck me as very good forward option in an average team.

Less of a risk perhaps than Morata who may have cost more.

The previous with Mourinho I wouldn't read too much into, very odd club in their past transfer dealings with the likes of Matic who they sold and bought back, others such as Salah and Cuadrado where you would wonder why they ever bought them, then the obvious de Bruyne and this lad.

Fúcked up really.

Yes, ideally you want to shop in the Premier League. It's just not possible all the time.

SWv2
07-06-2017, 10:23 AM
I think, if you want to win the league, you haven't really got time to nurture young strikers. Sadly, there's no patience anymore. It's just as well to let them develop somewhere else and even buy them back, if necessary, later when they're ready.

I gather we've been watching our new chap for many years but Wenger was never really convinced. Until now, after the last couple of years AL has had.

Essentially you are saying he is a panic buy, a player he never rated, a player forced upon him?

redgunamo
07-06-2017, 10:28 AM
Essentially you are saying he is a panic buy, a player he never rated, a player forced upon him?

Not at all. I think He just wanted to see more from him.

No, you're right :-(

Brentwood
07-06-2017, 10:34 AM
I think, if you want to win the league, you haven't really got time to nurture young strikers. Sadly, there's no patience anymore. It's just as well to let them develop somewhere else and even buy them back, if necessary, later when they're ready.

I gather we've been watching our new chap for many years but Wenger was never really convinced. Until now, after the last couple of years AL has had.

I think this has been one of the main reasons we have failed to win league titles under Wenger. The number of players he has signed from other PL teams is ridiculously low. I can only think of a handful. Chelsea, United and City have signed key players without needing to wait for them to adjust. Far lower risk that they won't be an instant success

redgunamo
07-06-2017, 10:37 AM
I think this has been one of the main reasons we have failed to win league titles under Wenger. The number of players he has signed from other PL teams is ridiculously low. I can only think of a handful. Chelsea, United and City have signed key players without needing to wait for them to adjust. Far lower risk that they won't be an instant success

All about the money, innit. They can afford it, we couldn't.

Of course, we're talking about good players, right?

Ash
07-06-2017, 12:22 PM
Good player. Wenger out.

Better than the one we bought iyo? 50% better?

SWv2
07-06-2017, 12:34 PM
Better than the one we bought iyo? 50% better?

I think our lad is a good player, perfectly happy with his arrival. I think Lukaku is a very good player but I only add the word "very" as I am a lot more familiar with the latter.

He is perhaps a less risky signing in that he is already very acclimatized to the league, he may not even need to move house though I am sure he will.

Better is probably only something which can be judged in hindsight and then it is loaded in the sense of whether the player is judged on his own merits or based on the success or failure of the side in the time period.

I wouldn't be too hung up on comparing both and using the fees as a gauge. They are bigger than us, richer than us and more willing to spend such sums than us. It's also a move between PL clubs which we both know is fúcked up.

Just Trent
07-06-2017, 12:50 PM
Our Everton correspondent is less than impressed with him. Has to be said so is his new manager, otherwise why sell him a couple of years ago

I always find him a bit unconvincing. His first touch can be a bit erratic. Not sure he's good enough to be rated as one of the elite strikers or, to be Man Utd's main CF. Not a patch on Zlatan. I would've been a lot more worried if they'd got Griezmann.

Ash
07-06-2017, 12:53 PM
I think our lad is a good player, perfectly happy with his arrival. I think Lukaku is a very good player but I only add the word "very" as I am a lot more familiar with the latter.

He is perhaps a less risky signing in that he is already very acclimatized to the league, he may not even need to move house though I am sure he will.

Better is probably only something which can be judged in hindsight and then it is loaded in the sense of whether the player is judged on his own merits or based on the success or failure of the side in the time period.

I wouldn't be too hung up on comparing both and using the fees as a gauge. They are bigger than us, richer than us and more willing to spend such sums than us. It's also a move between PL clubs which we both know is fúcked up.

They're calling AL the new Ian Wright. Well, Gerard Houlier is. I think we'd all take that.

SWv2
07-06-2017, 12:57 PM
They're calling AL the new Ian Wright. Well, Gerard Houlier is. I think we'd all take that.

He is a good wee player. I don't think it is an exaggeration of the facts to say that every single time I saw him last season on BT he scored which I noted as we were so heavily linked to him last summer. He is a livewire so team him up with our creative talent and you would hope to see a healthy return.

I would expect Lukaku also to do well as he will be surrounded by better players.

It's a simple equation I admit.

Burney
07-06-2017, 01:17 PM
Good player. Wenger out.

I think abig chunk of that fee is worth it just to get shot of Rooney

Sir C
07-06-2017, 01:23 PM
I think abig chunk of that fee is worth it just to get shot of Rooney

Jo Johnson. He might save us. Looks like Jacob is having none of it.

Burney
07-06-2017, 01:32 PM
Jo Johnson. He might save us. Looks like Jacob is having none of it.

He was my MP when I lived in Petts Wood. Is shook his hand.
He's like Boris, but credible. Bit ginger, though.

redgunamo
07-06-2017, 01:38 PM
They're calling AL the new Ian Wright. Well, Gerard Houlier is. I think we'd all take that.

Not for fifty million quid, we wouldn't, no. This fellow has (according to my figures) precisely three seasons to win us the league and or the European Cup.

SWv2
07-06-2017, 01:58 PM
Not for fifty million quid, we wouldn't, no. This fellow has (according to my figures) precisely three seasons to win us the league and or the European Cup.

In reality all he has to do is score a winner v Spurs.

redgunamo
07-06-2017, 02:17 PM
In reality all he has to do is score a winner v Spurs.

No, I tell you! It's different for that sort of money.

SWv2
07-06-2017, 02:18 PM
No, I tell you! It's different for that sort of money.

And I tell you, we are different.

We celebrate finishing 4th ffs. We have been hoodwinked and duped by a specialist in failure into accepting failure as success.

redgunamo
07-06-2017, 02:26 PM
And I tell you, we are different.

We celebrate finishing 4th ffs. We have been hoodwinked and duped by a specialist in failure into accepting failure as success.

And we accepted it, largely anyway, because He also convinced us that we didn't have enough money. Now we obviously do have serious readies, and since Leicester City have won the Premier League, that ̶e̶x̶c̶u̶s̶e̶ reason is clearly no longer going to fool anybody.

eastgermanautos
07-06-2017, 05:35 PM
I think, if you want to win the league, you haven't really got time to nurture young strikers. Sadly, there's no patience anymore. It's just as well to let them develop somewhere else and even buy them back, if necessary, later when they're ready.

I gather we've been watching our new chap for many years but Wenger was never really convinced. Until now, after the last couple of years AL has had.

It's a world gone to seed, my friend. But really, why *should one have to nurture strikers. Farm them out, bring them back. Simple. And yes, it is a business, not just a game. Do we want to win or don't we. Aint no prizes for second now is there.

PSRB
07-07-2017, 08:54 AM
Our Everton correspondent is less than impressed with him. Has to be said so is his new manager, otherwise why sell him a couple of years ago

It's his attitude that doesn't impress me. On his day he's unplayable but most of the time he doesn't look bothered and certainly not someone I'd describe as a "Team" player.

He is young though and maybe at a club the size of a United he will have to work a bit harder to keep his place

Luis Anaconda
07-07-2017, 09:08 AM
It's his attitude that doesn't impress me. On his day he's unplayable but most of the time he doesn't look bothered and certainly not someone I'd describe as a "Team" player.

He is young though and maybe at a club the size of a United he will have to work a bit harder to keep his place
Yes - remembering the United game when Everton had a couple of breakaways but he made runs for himself rather than the team, that really pissed me off. Happy if he does that at United though. Interesting to see how they line up really. Not sure they realise quite what a good player they have in Mhkitaryan. If they get the best out of him I'll be very worried

redgunamo
07-07-2017, 09:34 AM
It's his attitude that doesn't impress me. On his day he's unplayable but most of the time he doesn't look bothered and certainly not someone I'd describe as a "Team" player.

He is young though and maybe at a club the size of a United he will have to work a bit harder to keep his place

It's no good judging strikers by the standards of other players though; they're supposed to play for the team by scoring loads of goals. Especially if the striker in question cost you fifty million pounds

:Boycott:

SWv2
07-07-2017, 10:59 AM
Yes - remembering the United game when Everton had a couple of breakaways but he made runs for himself rather than the team, that really pissed me off. Happy if he does that at United though. Interesting to see how they line up really. Not sure they realise quite what a good player they have in Mhkitaryan. If they get the best out of him I'll be very worried

United are a classic scenario of what looks like a brilliant football team "on paper".

It becomes amusing when JM is then factored in and enforces on them a structure of play or tactics which make them duller than a Dutchman.

The potential combination of players like Lukaku, Rashford, Mhkitaryan, Pogba, Herrera, Mata is marvellous by why bother when you can win 1-0.