Some fat retards have formed a 'peace chain' outside Didsbury mosque

[Sir C]

in case anyone comes along being beastly to the poor Allans.

Fúck. Me.

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[Burney]

in case anyone comes along being beastly to the poor Allans.

Fúck. Me.

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And what exactly do those feebs propose doing about it should some understandably outraged citizenry decide to torch the fúcking place?

Currently reading 'The Strange Death Of Europe' by Douglas Murray. :-(

Basically, we're fùcked. And we've done it to ourselves. :-( :-(

[Sir C]

And what exactly do those feebs propose doing about it should some understandably outraged citizenry decide to torch the fúcking place?

Currently reading 'The Strange Death Of Europe' by Douglas Murray. :-(

Basically, we're fùcked. And we've done it to ourselves. :-( :-(

I read a couple of reviews of that and decided against buying it because it would depress me :-(

I'm just glad I'll be dead soon.

[Burney]

I read a couple of reviews of that and decided against buying it because it would depress me :-(

I'm just glad I'll be dead soon.

The Muslim population of this country more than doubled between 2001 and 2011 - much of it illegal. All because the Blair government avowedly wanted to 'rub the right's nose in diversity'.

Fùcking 'diversity'. :-|

[redgunamo]

And what exactly do those feebs propose doing about it should some understandably outraged citizenry decide to torch the fúcking place?

Currently reading 'The Strange Death Of Europe' by Douglas Murray. :-(

Basically, we're fùcked. And we've done it to ourselves. :-( :-(

Told you so :-)

[Pat Vegas]

in case anyone comes along being beastly to the poor Allans.

Fúck. Me.

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I don't know why they chose a mosque. as this has nothing to Islam etc.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

Doesn't every civilisation peak and then turn milky and soft and allow, welcome even, the barbarian hordes?

[Sir C]

Doesn't every civilisation peak and then turn milky and soft and allow, welcome even, the barbarian hordes?

That is exactly what has happened to us. Our decadence has reached the point where the views of fey milquetoasts like Owen Jones and jorge are considered mainstream, whilst those of us clinging to older values, such as the right not to be exploded, are deemed dinosaurs and martyred for our beliefs.

Either we fight back or we let Corbyn and his ilk defile our collective anus to the death.

[Burney]

Doesn't every civilisation peak and then turn milky and soft and allow, welcome even, the barbarian hordes?

Yes, but they don't usually involve the political class actively committing cultural suicide and then demanding the unwilling public celebrate it or risk being called racist.

[redgunamo]

I don't know why they chose a mosque. as this has nothing to Islam etc.

:nono: It's not a mosque, it's an Islamic community centre.

[Burney]

That is exactly what has happened to us. Our decadence has reached the point where the views of fey milquetoasts like Owen Jones and jorge are considered mainstream, whilst those of us clinging to older values, such as the right not to be exploded, are deemed dinosaurs and martyred for our beliefs.

Either we fight back or we let Corbyn and his ilk defile our collective anus to the death.

This is one of the things, though. The book points out that this has been done in the face of consistently anti-immigration public sentiment. This has been done to us calculatedly and deliberately by the political and media classes.

[Sir C]

This is one of the things, though. The book points out that this has been done in the face of consistently anti-immigration public sentiment. This has been done to us calculatedly and deliberately by the political and media classes.

We should string the fúckers up.

Please can I do Jones? Pleeeeeaase?

[redgunamo]

This is one of the things, though. The book points out that this has been done in the face of consistently anti-immigration public sentiment. This has been done to us calculatedly and deliberately by the political and media classes.

And we can't even blame the EU for it anymore.

[Burney]

We should string the fúckers up.

Please can I do Jones? Pleeeeeaase?

It would be entirely valid. These people believe that bomb victims and raped girls are just necessary sacrifices on the road to their dream of a 'diverse' (i.e. Non-British) Britain. Indeed, deep down grey feel that this is the price we deserve to pay for the awful crime of being white and British.

I am really quite angry. :furious:

[redgunamo]

This is one of the things, though. The book points out that this has been done in the face of consistently anti-immigration public sentiment. This has been done to us calculatedly and deliberately by the political and media classes.

I'm not sure we can accurately judge public sentiment anyway, can we. Surely, if you remove violent lunatics from the equation, most people actually enjoy a bit of the other, don't they? Certainly I'd guess that most would class themselves fairly liberal on the topic anyway, wouldn't they?

[Burney]

And we can't even blame the EU for it anymore.

Oh, the EU was certainly part of it. The Swedes and Germans are just as much prey to the cultural cringe that demands the negation of our own culture and values and the celebration of other, lesser ones.

[Sir C]

It would be entirely valid. These people believe that bomb victims and raped girls are just necessary sacrifices on the road to their dream of a 'diverse' (i.e. Non-British) Britain. Indeed, deep down grey feel that this is the price we deserve to pay for the awful crime of being white and British.

I am really quite angry. :furious:

I'm in the mood to find a small socialist for a fight.

Poor psrb was trying to reason with jorge on twitter this morning :hehe:

It's all Theresa May's fault, apparently. And Jeremy's a fúcking saint.

[Burney]

I'm not sure we can accurately judge public sentiment anyway, can we. Surely, if you remove violent lunatics from the equation, most people actually enjoy a bit of the other, don't they? Certainly I'd guess that most would class themselves fairly liberal on the topic anyway, wouldn't they?

Polling throughout Europe for decades has consistently shown public sentiment to be that immigration levels have been two high. Contrastingly, politicians over the same period have increased immigration levels.

[Burney]

I'm in the mood to find a small socialist for a fight.

Poor psrb was trying to reason with jorge on twitter this morning :hehe:

It's all Theresa May's fault, apparently. And Jeremy's a fúcking saint.

At the moment, I'm feeling very glad I told j to fúck off and die, tbh.
A lot more of his sort should fúck off and die.

[Sir C]

I'm not sure we can accurately judge public sentiment anyway, can we. Surely, if you remove violent lunatics from the equation, most people actually enjoy a bit of the other, don't they? Certainly I'd guess that most would class themselves fairly liberal on the topic anyway, wouldn't they?

I blame your lot, to be honest. If Harold Wilson was worth planning a coup about, how come you let Blair do this to us with impunity?

[Sir C]

At the moment, I'm feeling very glad I told j to fúck off and die, tbh.
A lot more of his sort should fúck off and die.

:nod: It was clearly overdue and well said.

[redgunamo]

Oh, the EU was certainly part of it. The Swedes and Germans are just as much prey to the cultural cringe that demands the negation of our own culture and values and the celebration of other, lesser ones.

And the French. And with fairly good reason.

Actually, our whole "don't mention the War" thing never made any sense to me. These people are actually like that, if they're not kept well-fed and beered. That seems to have led to, and cemented, the idea that those in the right should try to avoid calling out those that are wrong, which has led to all this.

[redgunamo]

Polling throughout Europe for decades has consistently shown public sentiment to be that immigration levels have been two high. Contrastingly, politicians over the same period have increased immigration levels.

Oh, is that all. Polling and voting are always two very different things.

And we mustn't forget that the Eurotrash aren't actually democratic by nature in the first place; they don't really understand the concept so it's actually pointless asking them anything. They will do as they are told by their betters and that's it. Always been that way.

[Ash]

I blame your lot, to be honest. If Harold Wilson was worth planning a coup about, how come you let Blair do this to us with impunity?

To me this problem started with the support of the politicial and media classes for the muslim side in the Bosnian war. I was never aware of any sense of furious muslim grievance before then, but the hysterical calls for intervention on their behalf, fuelled by unverified propaganda stories circulated by PR companies, and in some cases completely fabricated by journalists, created the muslim-as-victim icon which has been with us ever since. Centre-stage in all this was The Guardian newspaper.

[redgunamo]

I blame your lot, to be honest. If Harold Wilson was worth planning a coup about, how come you let Blair do this to us with impunity?

It's what all you urban trendies wanted. You know, "modern, liberal, secular" and all that rot.

You asked for it :shrug:

[Sir C]

To me this problem started with the support of the politicial and media classes for the muslim side in the Bosnian war. I was never aware of any sense of furious muslim grievance before then, but the hysterical calls for intervention on their behalf, fuelled by unverified propaganda stories circulated by PR companies, and in some cases completely fabricated by journalists, created the muslim-as-victim icon which has been with us ever since. Centre-stage in all this was The Guardian newspaper.

I'm not convinced, though, that the issue is one of pro-Islam so much as anti-British. They would be on the side of whoever our enemies were, on the grounds that they want to see us eradicated.

[Sir C]

It's what all you urban trendies wanted. You know, "modern, liberal, secular" and all that rot.

You asked for it :shrug:

I most certainly did not. I have been bemoaning the replacement of religion with socialism for 20 years.

[redgunamo]

To me this problem started with the support of the politicial and media classes for the muslim side in the Bosnian war. I was never aware of any sense of furious muslim grievance before then, but the hysterical calls for intervention on their behalf, fuelled by unverified propaganda stories circulated by PR companies, and in some cases completely fabricated by journalists, created the muslim-as-victim icon which has been with us ever since. Centre-stage in all this was The Guardian newspaper.

Blame the Germans then; they were itching for a fight. They were desperate to kick some arses.

Anyway, I was in Bosnia. It's only really religious in a bland, non-committal, "C of E" sense. Unless they happen to be talking to CNN at the time.

[redgunamo]

I most certainly did not. I have been bemoaning the replacement of religion with socialism for 20 years.

I'm afraid it amounts to the same thing, unless you put your money where your mouth is.

[Burney]

To me this problem started with the support of the politicial and media classes for the muslim side in the Bosnian war. I was never aware of any sense of furious muslim grievance before then, but the hysterical calls for intervention on their behalf, fuelled by unverified propaganda stories circulated by PR companies, and in some cases completely fabricated by journalists, created the muslim-as-victim icon which has been with us ever since. Centre-stage in all this was The Guardian newspaper.

Nah, sorry. Salman Rushdie was the canary in this particular coalmine. We watched a community in this country call for a man to be killed for blasphemy and threatened to the point that the state had to protect him full-time and it didn't wake us up to the fact that something had gone very, very wrong in our muslim population. That was in 1989. We pussyfooted around them then and they saw we were weak.

[Burney]

Blame the Germans then; they were itching for a fight. They were desperate to kick some arses.

Anyway, I was in Bosnia. It's only really religious in a bland, non-committal, "C of E" sense. Unless they happen to be talking to CNN at the time.

Did you meet James Blunt? He seems a lovely chap.

[redgunamo]

Did you meet James Blunt? He seems a lovely chap.

Of course, briefly. A brother cavalry officer.

[Sir C]

Of course, briefly. A brother cavalry officer.

I confess I don't know the chap but as far as I can remember he doesn't sound like a brother.

Amazing what they can do these days, I suppose.

[SWv2]

Did you meet James Blunt? He seems a lovely chap.

Where you ever in NI?

[Burney]

Where you ever in NI?

Me? Yes, a few times. Sort of like Ireland, but with proper money and fewer nuns.

Or were you asking red? ;-)

[SWv2]

Me? Yes, a few times. Sort of like Ireland, but with proper money and fewer nuns.

Or were you asking red? ;-)

Ah yes, a simple error.

Tread carefully mind you else your name is on the list just below Sir C.

[redgunamo]

I confess I don't know the chap but as far as I can remember he doesn't sound like a brother.

Amazing what they can do these days, I suppose.

Naturally, I don't know the chap well either. And being from Henley it could certainly be that there was a certain unfamiliarity with the subtleties of the lingo. He certainly seemed like a brother to me.

[redgunamo]

Where you ever in NI?

Yes. Fishing mostly; my then chief was mad for it :-|

[Burney]

Yes. Fishing mostly; my then chief was mad for it :-|

Oh. Were you not oppressing and murdering the poor innocent Irish, then? :-(

What do I even pay my taxes for, ffs?

[redgunamo]

Oh. Were you not oppressing and murdering the poor innocent Irish, then? :-(

What do I even pay my taxes for, ffs?

I know. Shameful really. I mean, it's not like there was a war on or anything.

Many's the time I really felt I should've written to someone about it.

[Ash]

Blame the Germans then; they were itching for a fight. They were desperate to kick some arses.

Anyway, I was in Bosnia. It's only really religious in a bland, non-committal, "C of E" sense. Unless they happen to be talking to CNN at the time.

Oh, I do blame the Germans for starting it. :nod: In a sense the civil wars were a continuation of WW2, where the pro-Nazi Krvats actually shocked the Germans with their brutality, and Bosian muslims fought in the SS. These inconvenient truths were why PR firms (specifically Ruder Finn) were hired to portray the Serbian sides as Nazis. The old getting your retaliation in first.

I've no doubt you are right about many of the locals, but the Muj were bussed in too, and some of the 911 crew fought there. As, I've been told, was the Westminster killer. Izetbegovic (ex SS recruiter) stated in his book that there could be "no peaceful co-existance" between them and the infidel. This latter influence was why my Macedonian pal joined the JNA.

[SWv2]

Yes. Fishing mostly; my then chief was mad for it :-|

What were you, a fúcking red indian or something?

[Ash]

I'm not convinced, though, that the issue is one of pro-Islam so much as anti-British. They would be on the side of whoever our enemies were, on the grounds that they want to see us eradicated.

Hang on, are we talking about Jihadis here, or Jorge?

[Sir C]

Hang on, are we talking about Jihadis here, or Jorge?

Jorge, as part of the ruling (and I mean 'ruling') authoritarian leftist culture.

Although I suppose I should be careful what I say, lest I be arrested for a hate crime.

[redgunamo]

What were you, a fúcking red indian or something?

More like a cowboy, to be honest.

[Burney]

Hang on, are we talking about Jihadis here, or Jorge?

It's a trait of the modern left in general, I'm afraid. They actively hate Britishness and find any suggestion that there may be anything positive about this country's legacy disgusting. This is why they lap up the ahistorical rhetoric of Islamists.

[redgunamo]

Of course, but there's always a strong seasoning of "Well, they would say that, wouldn't they", about it because anti-religion-types, like the BBC, take them more seriously that way.

And that "mujahadeen" you're talking about, we used to call them the "Prada Front" because they were mostly spoiled, rich kids from Illinois or wherever out to have an adventure and a punch up and mostly worried about the telling off they were going to get when they returned home and Dad wanted to know about their Mastercard bill and also why their studies were in the toilet.



Oh, I do blame the Germans for starting it. :nod: In a sense the civil wars were a continuation of WW2, where the pro-Nazi Krvats actually shocked the Germans with their brutality, and Bosian muslims fought in the SS. These inconvenient truths were why PR firms (specifically Ruder Finn) were hired to portray the Serbian sides as Nazis. The old getting your retaliation in first.

I've no doubt you are right about many of the locals, but the Muj were bussed in too, and some of the 911 crew fought there. As, I've been told, was the Westminster killer. Izetbegovic (ex SS recruiter) stated in his book that there could be "no peaceful co-existance" between them and the infidel. This latter influence was why my Macedonian pal joined the JNA.

[Ash]

Jorge, as part of the ruling (and I mean 'ruling') authoritarian leftist culture.


But it was the Left that most loudly took up the cause of 'humanitarian intervention' in Jugoslavia and were at the forefront of demands for military action. That was the point at which I left the Left, as I saw them as liberal imperialists. By the time Kosovo came round most of my allies in opposing that war were right-wing libertarians, but the left were for the most part positively ecstatic at the bombing of Serbia. This is why I believe that Tony Blair is a more dangerous and violent nationalist than Nigel Farage.

[redgunamo]

It's a trait of the modern left in general, I'm afraid. They actively hate Britishness and find any suggestion that there may be anything positive about this country's legacy disgusting. This is why they lap up the ahistorical rhetoric of Islamists.

And that's why it was always important to wear your England shirt and show your real colours, despite any squeamishness. The right sort's failure to do so just encouraged them.

[redgunamo]

But it was the Left that most loudly took up the cause of 'humanitarian intervention' in Jugoslavia and were at the forefront of demands for military action. That was the point at which I left the Left, as I saw them as liberal imperialists. By the time Kosovo came round most of my allies in opposing that war were right-wing libertarians, but the left were for the most part positively ecstatic at the bombing of Serbia. This is why I believe that Tony Blair is a more dangerous and violent nationalist than Nigel Farage.

That was all just for show, I thought. Sort of "Vote for us, everyone! Us Lefties can bomb people too!"

It's true though, sad to say, but although the finest people you will ever meet in life go to war, it is also a powerful arsehole magnet. Bosnia was especially bad because, being on the mainland, half of Europe's surly, disaffected teens could easily get there by road and rail :-\

[Ash]

It's what all you urban trendies wanted. You know, "modern, liberal, secular" and all that rot.

You asked for it :shrug:

Ayatollah Blair? Secular?

He was practically a protestant, catholic and muslim all at once imo.

[redgunamo]

Ayatollah Blair? Secular?

He was practically a protestant, catholic and muslim all at once imo.

Oh, don't look at me; I don't even know what the word means. B came up with the "modern, liberal etc." stuff yesterday. I merely made the point that that thinking actually pre-dates Blair by several decades and that most of his sort support, sustain and encourage it.

You could even blame the Pill or Women's Lib, imo, but not Blair.

[Ash]

Nah, sorry. Salman Rushdie was the canary in this particular coalmine. We watched a community in this country call for a man to be killed for blasphemy and threatened to the point that the state had to protect him full-time and it didn't wake us up to the fact that something had gone very, very wrong in our muslim population. That was in 1989. We pussyfooted around them then and they saw we were weak.

That's a fair point in terms of demonstrating the touchy sensitivity, murderous fanaticism and intolerance of apostacy, but you can trace all that back a very long way. Probably to the start, in fact. :-|

[Burney]

That's a fair point in terms of demonstrating the touchy sensitivity, murderous fanaticism and intolerance of apostacy, but you can trace all that back a very long way. Probably to the start, in fact. :-|

I think it was the point at which we first should have realised that multiculturalism had utterly failed as regarded the muslim community. The 'muslims as victims' thing has deeper roots, though. You could go back to Israel or latterly Afghanistan (that film where Rambo's fighting alongside the Allans looks bloody weird now) for that. Bosnia was a relative latecomer.

[Ash]

I think it was the point at which we first should have realised that multiculturalism had utterly failed as regarded the muslim community. The 'muslims as victims' thing has deeper roots, though. You could go back to Israel or latterly Afghanistan (that film where Rambo's fighting alongside the Allans looks bloody weird now) for that. Bosnia was a relative latecomer.

Afghanistan was year zero for me, although I believe in terms of global promotion and radicalisation it got to about No 35 in the charts, whereas Bosnia went to No 1 and stayed there. I consider Zbigniew Brzezinski as a key grandparent of contemporary Islamic terror.

[redgunamo]

I think it was the point at which we first should have realised that multiculturalism had utterly failed as regarded the muslim community. The 'muslims as victims' thing has deeper roots, though. You could go back to Israel or latterly Afghanistan (that film where Rambo's fighting alongside the Allans looks bloody weird now) for that. Bosnia was a relative latecomer.

It was already too late by that point though, enormous social change was already afoot. Simply, we needed more people and we couldn't be too fussy about who they were or how they wanted to live and behave.

Immigration is an enterprise and immigrants will go where the best terms and conditions are on offer.

[Burney]

It was already too late by that point though, enormous social change was already afoot. Simply, we needed more people and we couldn't be too fussy about who they were or how they wanted to live and behave.

Immigration is an enterprise and immigrants will go where the best terms and conditions are on offer.

In the early days we certainly didn't think it through in terms of cultural compatibility, no. Enoch Powell copped on, but picked the wrong target.

Weirder, though, is the idea that Merkel let all the migrants in because of low German birthrates, etc, etc. There are literally millions of unemployed young men and women in Italy, Spain and Greece. Why not encourage them in instead of hordes of uneducated muslim men? Surely if the EU means anything, that should have been the obvious answer, shouldn't it? Does rather suggest it might have been more about German guilt and virtue signalling pure demographics.

[redgunamo]

In the early days we certainly didn't think it through in terms of cultural compatibility, no. Enoch Powell copped on, but picked the wrong target.

Weirder, though, is the idea that Merkel let all the migrants in because of low German birthrates, etc, etc. There are literally millions of unemployed young men and women in Italy, Spain and Greece. Why not encourage them in instead of hordes of uneducated muslim men? Surely if the EU means anything, that should have been the obvious answer, shouldn't it? Does rather suggest it might have been more about German guilt and virtue signalling pure demographics.

Sure. But, as with her daddy Kohl and the Wall, it just sort of happened and she tried to make the best of it.

And don't forget that poor Europeans are just as infertile as Germans are so that wouldn't really help.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

Burney is right about the Salman Rushdie affair being a watershed moment. At that point the state should have taken decisive action against all and everyone calling for his death.

Instead the taxpayer had to spend loads of money to protect a citizen who had written a novel from being lynched by whipped-up mobs of religious bigots.