Sweet Jesus, there is no one to vote for in this election :-(

[Sir C]

Tory manifesto: "Our responsibility to one another is greater than the rights we hold as individuals."

The Conservative party has gone full socialist.

[Pokster]

Tory manifesto: "Our responsibility to one another is greater than the rights we hold as individuals."

The Conservative party has gone full socialist.

That's why they are in Halifax

[Burney]

Tory manifesto: "Our responsibility to one another is greater than the rights we hold as individuals."

The Conservative party has gone full socialist.

I know. I mean it's one thing to park your tanks on the other chap's lawn. It's quite another to decide you actually prefer his lawn to your own, though. :-(

[Pat Vegas]

Tory manifesto: "Our responsibility to one another is greater than the rights we hold as individuals."

The Conservative party has gone full socialist.

Plus I am bored of voting. I feel like I've been at the polling station far to many times recently.
2 elections, a brexit and a mayor.

[Sir C]

I know. I mean it's one thing to park your tanks on the other chap's lawn. It's quite another to decide you actually prefer his lawn to your own, though. :-(

Can you believe this shít?

“We do not believe in untrammelled free markets”
“We reject the cult of selfish individualism”

[Monty92]

Tory manifesto: "Our responsibility to one another is greater than the rights we hold as individuals."

The Conservative party has gone full socialist.

I'm getting irrationally nervous about this election. I feel a bit like being 3-0 up against Spurs with 10 minutes to play. You know it's done and dusted, but you can't wait for the ref to blow up just in case.

[redgunamo]

Plus I am bored of voting. I feel like I've been at the polling station far to many times recently.
2 elections, a brexit and a mayor.

Voting is probably as important as it's ever been now, as people don't get too many opportunities to decide anything much in life.

[Sir C]

I'm getting irrationally nervous about this election. I feel a bit like being 3-0 up against Spurs with 10 minutes to play. You know it's done and dusted, but you can't wait for the ref to blow up just in case.

It won't make much difference. Looking at the Tory manifesto, if we elect a Conservative government it will be like living in poland in 1980, or a Labour government, the USSR at a similar period.

In short, we are doomed to life under the jackboot of jorge and his ilk.

[redgunamo]

It won't make much difference. Looking at the Tory manifesto, if we elect a Conservative government it will be like living in poland in 1980, or a Labour government, the USSR at a similar period.

In short, we are doomed to life under the jackboot of jorge and his ilk.

#DrainTheSwamp

[Sir C]

#DrainTheSwamp

What's that now?

[Burney]

I'm getting irrationally nervous about this election. I feel a bit like being 3-0 up against Spurs with 10 minutes to play. You know it's done and dusted, but you can't wait for the ref to blow up just in case.

Relax. People aren't going to vote for Corbyn. Even more amusingly, the Lib Dems' strategy of being the party of remain looks like it's going to explode in their faces. :hehe:

[Burney]

It won't make much difference. Looking at the Tory manifesto, if we elect a Conservative government it will be like living in poland in 1980, or a Labour government, the USSR at a similar period.

In short, we are doomed to life under the jackboot of jorge and his ilk.

Yes. I've been worried ever since I found out she was a Christian. 'Christian' in C of E talk basically means 'commie' these days. :-(

[redgunamo]

What's that now?

Good point. It doesn't really work for London, does it, because it's not an actual swamp the way Washington DC is :-\

[Burney]

Good point. It doesn't really work for London, does it, because it's not an actual swamp the way Washington DC is :-\

There's Hackney Marshes. You could drain those, I guess.

[Monty92]

Relax. People aren't going to vote for Corbyn. Even more amusingly, the Lib Dems' strategy of being the party of remain looks like it's going to explode in their faces. :hehe:

My missus is :-\ , although she claims to be doing so in order to retain some semblance of an opposition, rather than because she actually wants Corbyn in power.

[Burney]

It won't make much difference. Looking at the Tory manifesto, if we elect a Conservative government it will be like living in poland in 1980, or a Labour government, the USSR at a similar period.

In short, we are doomed to life under the jackboot of jorge and his ilk.

In happier news, did you see young Mr Hepworth has another out?

[Burney]

My missus is :-\ , although she claims to be doing so in order to retain some semblance of an opposition, rather than because she actually wants Corbyn in power.

:-( We've long since established that your missus is a goddamn communist, though, haven't we?

You should threaten to withdraw conjugal rights until such time as she comes to her senses and votes tory imo. Or just lock her in the house on election day.

[Monty92]

:-( We've long since established that your missus is a goddamn communist, though, haven't we?

You should threaten to withdraw conjugal rights until such time as she comes to her senses and votes tory imo. Or just lock her in the house on election day.

No point voting Tory where I live. It's Lab or Lib.

[Burney]

No point voting Tory where I live. It's Lab or Lib.

Ugh! This is why you need to move. You're surrounded by commie filth.

[Burney]

No point voting Tory where I live. It's Lab or Lib.

Also, have you not guilt-tripped the woman with your ethnicity? Have you not pointed out that she's threatening to vote for the party that panders to vile anti-semites who fantasise about having your race wiped off the face of the earth?

I don't think you're working hard enough on her, m.

[Sir C]

In happier news, did you see young Mr Hepworth has another out?

Oh yes, it's in the queue.

[Monty92]

Also, have you not guilt-tripped the woman with your ethnicity? Have you not pointed out that she's threatening to vote for the party that panders to vile anti-semites who fantasise about having your race wiped off the face of the earth?

I don't think you're working hard enough on her, m.

Yes, we watched Tom Holland's ISIS documentary yesterday (which I found rather disappointing) and I pointed out that the beardy Allans featured were friends of the chap she's planning to vote for.

I also reminded her that my childhood was scarred by a constant fear that my dad (who worked in the city) would be blown up by the IRA, who Jez actively supported.

She insisted she's not voting for him. I rolled my eyes.

It's a laugh a minute in our house :-|

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

Also, have you not guilt-tripped the woman with your ethnicity?

Isn't she more jewish than him though? I should imagine being married to Monty would turn even the most devout special brew into a rabid jew-baiter

[redgunamo]

There's Hackney Marshes. You could drain those, I guess.

And not a moment too soon apparently

https://saveleytonmarsh.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adidas-2.jpg

[redgunamo]

Yes, we watched Tom Holland's ISIS documentary yesterday (which I found rather disappointing) and I pointed out that the beardy Allans featured were friends of the chap she's planning to vote for.

I also reminded her that my childhood was scarred by a constant fear that my dad (who worked in the city) would be blown up by the IRA, who Jez actively supported.

She insisted she's not voting for him. I rolled my eyes.

It's a laugh a minute in our house :-|

Married life, innit. We curled up on the sofa and watched Mary Poppins, while nibbling on tortillas and barbecue.

Soy sauce all over my new bitter lemon-coloured pyjamas :-|

[Burney]

Yes, we watched Tom Holland's ISIS documentary yesterday (which I found rather disappointing) and I pointed out that the beardy Allans featured were friends of the chap she's planning to vote for.

I also reminded her that my childhood was scarred by a constant fear that my dad (who worked in the city) would be blown up by the IRA, who Jez actively supported.

She insisted she's not voting for him. I rolled my eyes.

It's a laugh a minute in our house :-|

I thought it very interesting, but was annoyed by how much it pulled its punches by constantly letting mainstream Islam off the hook.

That said, he clearly did something right if we're to judge by the amount of abuse he's getting from Islamist scum at the moment.

And have you not pointed out to her that every single vote Labour gets will be seen as an endorsement of its current leadership?

[Burney]

Married life, innit. We curled up on the sofa and watched Mary Poppins, while nibbling on tortillas and barbecue.

Soy sauce all over my new bitter lemon-coloured pyjamas :-|

Mary Poppins as directed by Michael Mann?

[redgunamo]

Mary Poppins as directed by Michael Mann?

I have considered that actually; there's similarities there. MP is already practically perfect though, of course. No need for a remake or "re-imagining" :-|

Even though, I understand there is one currently on its way :-|

[Burney]

I have considered that actually; there's similarities there. MP is already practically perfect though, of course. No need for a remake or "re-imagining" :-|

Even though, I understand there is one currently on its way :-|

Yes. That Blunt woman's in it, I understand.

I suppose your ideal film would a Michael Mann epic about hare coursing?

[Pat Vegas]

No point voting Tory where I live. It's Lab or Lib.

That's what it was like when I was in Islington. but now I am under Enfield Southgate it's tory.

[Monty92]

I thought it very interesting, but was annoyed by how much it pulled its punches by constantly letting mainstream Islam off the hook.

That said, he clearly did something right if we're to judge by the amount of abuse he's getting from Islamist scum at the moment.

And have you not pointed out to her that every single vote Labour gets will be seen as an endorsement of its current leadership?

Yes, I said during the programme "I'd love to see his Twitter feeed tonight"

The last 30 minutes were good - the stuff about Napoleon and the idea that the west is re-shaping the perception of Muhammad took things into thought-provoking territory. Basically the first hour I found a total waste of time, but I guess that was designed to draw in the uninitiated.

Also, he's got a weird face and mannerisms.

[Burney]

Yes, I said during the programme "I'd love to see his Twitter feeed tonight"

The last 30 minutes were good - the stuff about Napoleon and the idea that the west is re-shaping the perception of Muhammad took things into thought-provoking territory. Basically the first hour I found a total waste of time, but I guess that was designed to draw in the uninitiated.

Also, he's got a weird face and mannerisms.

He has. I've got several of his books and they are good, but rather over-written.

The first half was intended to illustrate the real horror of what it means to be a non-muslim in a Wahabbist state. In that sense, I think it was effective. It clearly touched some raw nerves as he's now getting it in the neck (as it were) from any number of Islamist apologists saying that slavery under Islam isn't so bad and trying to claim the Prophet Mohammed didn't knob a nine-year-old (he clearly did).

[Ash]

Plus I am bored of voting. I feel like I've been at the polling station far to many times recently.
2 elections, a brexit and a mayor.

Son, you are disappoint. :-(

People fought, and people died for your right to vote.

[Ash]

No point voting Tory where I live. It's Lab or Lib.

Tactical vote against the Illiberal Undemocrats then. Vote for the one party out of the two that respects the result of the referendum.

How do you feel about PR? Proper PR, not that joke fob-off that Cameron chucked Clegg the other year which was designed to put back PR for a generation. And it worked. Clegg, you phucking mug!

[Ash]

Tory manifesto: "Our responsibility to one another is greater than the rights we hold as individuals."


I rather like that. I might vote for them. :thumbup:

[World's End Stella]

Yes, we watched Tom Holland's ISIS documentary yesterday (which I found rather disappointing) and I pointed out that the beardy Allans featured were friends of the chap she's planning to vote for.

I also reminded her that my childhood was scarred by a constant fear that my dad (who worked in the city) would be blown up by the IRA, who Jez actively supported.

She insisted she's not voting for him. I rolled my eyes.

It's a laugh a minute in our house :-|

Have you tried the 'have you seen his taxation policies? Anus and her brother will never go to private school once he's done with us' line?

It's quite effective pulling at a mother's heart strings like that, I used it to encourage Mrs WES to return to work earlier than she wanted to.

[Monty92]

I rather like that. I might vote for them. :thumbup:

But isn't the conservative principle of individual responsibility rooted in the belief that, by according responsibility to the individual, you will in turn encourage a culture in which fewer people require others to take responsibility for them?

[Ash]

But isn't the conservative principle of individual responsibility rooted in the belief that, by according responsibility to the individual, you will in turn encourage a culture in which fewer people require others to take responsibility for them?

The way I look at it is do you want to play in a team where we work for each other, or play in a team who operates as a collection of individuals? And I say this to a man who prefers making an assist to scoring a goal. ;-)

[Monty92]

Tactical vote against the Illiberal Undemocrats then. Vote for the one party out of the two that respects the result of the referendum.

How do you feel about PR? Proper PR, not that joke fob-off that Cameron chucked Clegg the other year which was designed to put back PR for a generation. And it worked. Clegg, you phucking mug!

Dunno, never really engaged with that issue. I remember from the referendum people saying it would make it easier for extremist parties to gain influence. Presumably if 2015 had been PR, then UKIP would have been much better placed to ensure we don't end up with a fake Brexit.

That would have been good. But then maybe it would allow ovarian cancer deserving c*nts like the women's equality party to gain influence. That would not be good.

[Monty92]

The way I look at it is do you want to play in a team where we work for each other, or play in a team who operates as a collection of individuals? And I say this to a man who prefers making an assist to scoring a goal. ;-)

It depends on who you're assisting I guess.

Ozil to Sanchez on Tuesday, yes. Sanchez to Ozil vs Stoke, yes.

Bellerin to Giroud vs Stoke, no :-(

Scrounging French **** will only go and spend his goal bonus on hair product :rolleyes:

[Burney]

Dunno, never really engaged with that issue. I remember from the referendum people saying it would make it easier for extremist parties to gain influence. Presumably if 2015 had been PR, then UKIP would have been much better placed to ensure we don't end up with a fake Brexit.

That would have been good. But then maybe it would allow ovarian cancer deserving c*nts like the women's equality party to gain influence. That would not be good.

The problem with PR is that it appeals to people's ill thought out ideas of who it might be nice to throw a vote to here and there and then we end up with the cünts in Parliament, fücking things up.
So, for instance, your mum (or similar) might vote for her first choice party based on some hard reasons and then chuck a sympathy vote at - for instance - the Greens on the grounds that she thinks it's probably nice to look after the planet and...y'know...recycling and trees and stuff.
Then, before you know it, we end up with these hemp-clad lunatics hanging around in Parliament wielding actual power with their absurd, luddite ideas. AND PEOPLE WILL END UP HAVING TO PANDER TO THEM IN ORDER TO GET ANYTHING DONE! :banghead:
Before you know it, meat-free Monday is a statutory requirement and Foie Gras is illegal. And all because some voters didn't really think about it that much.
No, I'll stick to FPTP, thanks. It concentrates the voter's mind and keeps utter spastics out of power where they belong.

[Ash]

Dunno, never really engaged with that issue. I remember from the referendum people saying it would make it easier for extremist parties to gain influence. Presumably if 2015 had been PR, then UKIP would have been much better placed to ensure we don't end up with a fake Brexit.

That would have been good. But then maybe it would allow ovarian cancer deserving c*nts like the women's equality party to gain influence. That would not be good.

Extremist = Anyone outside of the establishment party bubble?

I thought you had got the argument that free speech includes free speech for people we disagree with. This principle extends to democracy. I don't know what the Women's Equality Party would like to do, but if I disagreed with them I wouldn't be afraid to debate their politics. And surely nor would you.

[Ash]

The problem with PR is that it appeals to people's ill thought out ideas of who it might be nice to throw a vote to here and there and then we end up with the cünts in Parliament, fücking things up.
So, for instance, your mum (or similar) might vote for her first choice party based on some hard reasons and then chuck a sympathy vote at - for instance - the Greens on the grounds that she thinks it's probably nice to look after the planet and...y'know...recycling and trees and stuff.
Then, before you know it, we end up with these hemp-clad lunatics hanging around in Parliament wielding actual power with their absurd, luddite ideas. AND PEOPLE WILL END UP HAVING TO PANDER TO THEM IN ORDER TO GET ANYTHING DONE! :banghead:
Before you know it, meat-free Monday is a statutory requirement and Foie Gras is illegal. And all because some voters didn't really think about it that much.
No, I'll stick to FPTP, thanks. It concentrates the voter's mind and keeps utter spastics out of power where they belong.

I do appreciate the 'getting things done' argument in favour of FPTP but I do find the keenest supporters are those who FPTP benefits - basically the two biggest mainstream parties, who know that the pendulum usually swings back their way eventually. You focus on the negative, but there can be genuinely good ideas (according to taste, obv) that deserve a voice too. And perhaps a new kind of politics is overdue but the inertia of the old system with its established parties and cheerleaders of media support prevent this.

The other thing is that currently millions of voters are completely disenfranchised as their vote is totally meaningless when their preferred party is a distant third in their constituency.

[Monty92]

Extremist = Anyone outside of the establishment party bubble?

I thought you had got the argument that free speech includes free speech for people we disagree with. This principle extends to democracy. I don't know what the Women's Equality Party would like to do, but if I disagreed with them I wouldn't be afraid to debate their politics. And surely nor would you.

Don't worry, I get all of that. I was merely ruminating on the various permutations and how it would be useful right now for there to be 50+ UKIP MPs. On balance, however, I think I'm with Berni.

The Women's Equality Party would make you lick clean the menstrual emissions from their universal, state-provided, reusable sanitary towels as a reparation for your crimes as a member of the patriarchy.

[redgunamo]

I do appreciate the 'getting things done' argument in favour of FPTP but I do find the keenest supporters are those who FPTP benefits - basically the two biggest mainstream parties, who know that the pendulum usually swings back their way eventually. You focus on the negative, but there can be genuinely good ideas (according to taste, obv) that deserve a voice too. And perhaps a new kind of politics is overdue but the inertia of the old system with its established parties and cheerleaders of media support prevent this.

The other thing is that currently millions of voters are completely disenfranchised as their vote is totally meaningless when their preferred party is a distant third in their constituency.

We like it that way though, it suits our character. Millions of lefties are disenfranchised in Henley-on-Thames too, but surely that's their own fault; why would that sort want to live in such a place.

And it is a common mistake to imagine foreigners do it any better.

[redgunamo]

Extremist = Anyone outside of the establishment party bubble?

I thought you had got the argument that free speech includes free speech for people we disagree with. This principle extends to democracy. I don't know what the Women's Equality Party would like to do, but if I disagreed with them I wouldn't be afraid to debate their politics. And surely nor would you.

Nobody's got time for all that debating stuff because they have lives. That's what democracy is really about; taking responsibility for yourself and your family and dealing with the consequences of your decisions and actions. The only people who have the time and inclination to discuss anything with whichever random lunatic syndicate happens to hove into view is those that are unwilling or unable to accept this.

In any case, it would never be a case of me disagreeing with them; I don't need to, I already know what's right for me and my family and my community and my environment. And it's all non-negotiable in any case; I haven't got the time to negotiate it, I've got children to feed.

[Burney]

Don't worry, I get all of that. I was merely ruminating on the various permutations and how it would be useful right now for there to be 50+ UKIP MPs. On balance, however, I think I'm with Berni.

The Women's Equality Party would make you lick clean the menstrual emissions from their universal, state-provided, reusable sanitary towels as a reparation for your crimes as a member of the patriarchy.

Well quite. PR it seems to me allows one to vote with one's superego AND one's id. That strikes me as a dangerous combination.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

My heart says UKIP but my head says they're fcuked. As soon as one of the two major parties sees an opening towards the centre they abandon their traditional voters because they have nowhere else to go.

The statement in the Tory manifesto is not just anti-Tory, it is shocking. "Rights" by definition are things we are entitled to, it s not a "right" to smack someone in the face for fun. But responsibilty to others trumping these? Even if those others are completely irresponsible? Is our responsibility to Ian Brady greater than the rights of the kids he tortured and murdered? Shame on May and shame on the Tories.

[eastgermanautos]

Well quite. PR it seems to me allows one to vote with one's superego AND one's id. That strikes me as a dangerous combination.

What are all you fools talking about?