Ugh! May and Corbyn are going to have a 'Leaders' debate'

[Burney]

:-(

I'd really hoped that we were going to avoid this sort of crap altogether. It's so utterly ghastly and American and I cannot seriously believe it's going to change the way anyone at all votes.

[Sir C]

:-(

I'd really hoped that we were going to avoid this sort of crap altogether. It's so utterly ghastly and American and I cannot seriously believe it's going to change the way anyone at all votes.

Oh God, he'll appear all reasonable and avuncular and she'll do her Cruella de Ville and thick people might fall for it. :-(

Anyways, fancy the butt?

[Luis Anaconda]

:-(

I'd really hoped that we were going to avoid this sort of crap altogether. It's so utterly ghastly and American and I cannot seriously believe it's going to change the way anyone at all votes.
It worked out well for Nick Clegg... oh

I do agree they are pointless though - maybe they could actually just do an episode of Pointless instead. I would vote for someone who could get all the pointless answers from players who played in the 1980 cup final

[Burney]

Oh God, he'll appear all reasonable and avuncular and she'll do her Cruella de Ville and thick people might fall for it. :-(

Anyways, fancy the butt?

Yes. Sorry. Whatever's easiest.

I think this is what we suggested before.


You have to bear in mind I'm new to this game. However, would a strongly fennel-y, dried garlic and onion rub not be a good thing, imparting a deal of natural sweetness and aroma, but without the cloying sugar?

I wonder if we could find a way to inject the flavour of sage into it? Perhaps something more citric.
Injecting a great lump of pork is my favourite thing. I insist that you have the pleasure. It's, well, sexy.

[Ash]

Oh God, he'll appear all reasonable and avuncular and she'll do her Cruella de Ville and thick people might fall for it. :-(


I think I'll keep an open mind, watch the debate and probably vote for the one with the kindest face.

[Burney]

I think I'll keep an open mind, watch the debate and probably vote for the one with the kindest face.

Strangely enough, the big danger could be her giving him too savage a kicking and people starting to feel sorry for him.

[SWv2]

:-(

I'd really hoped that we were going to avoid this sort of crap altogether. It's so utterly ghastly and American and I cannot seriously believe it's going to change the way anyone at all votes.

What other political party Leaders are taking part?

[Luis Anaconda]

What other political party Leaders are taking part?

Any **** with a rosette by the looks of it - UKIP, Green, the nationalists, Sinn Fein ...

[Burney]

What other political party Leaders are taking part?

None. That's the point, I think, from May's point of view. She wants to minimise the threat from the LibDems by painting them as irrelevant.

[Sir C]

I think I'll keep an open mind, watch the debate and probably vote for the one with the kindest face.

People say he has a kind face, which I find odd, given that he is a snaggle-toothed communist with a penchant for enslaving humanity.

[SWv2]

None. That's the point, I think, from May's point of view. She wants to minimise the threat from the LibDems by painting them as irrelevant.

Oh, I thought that in terms of trying to be seen as impartial or whatever they had to invite all and sundry on instead of just giving a national platform to two.

A high risk strategy from T May.

[Sir C]

It worked out well for Nick Clegg... oh

I do agree they are pointless though - maybe they could actually just do an episode of Pointless instead. I would vote for someone who could get all the pointless answers from players who played in the 1980 cup final

Jennings, Rice, O'Leary, Young ( :hehe: ) Nelson, Talbot, Brady, Rix, Price, Sunderland, Stapleton.

[IUFG]

Jennings, Rice, O'Leary, Young ( :hehe: ) Nelson, Talbot, Brady, Rix, Price, Sunderland, Stapleton.

a great side...you wouldn't get many of that lot pansying about like our current crop of powder-puff tarts.

[Sir C]

a great side...you wouldn't get many of that lot pansying about like our current crop of powder-puff tarts.

The first 5 players on that list would be arrested for assault after their first tackle these days :hehe:

Sammy Nelson was probably mentally unwell, in retrospect. He enjoyed hurting people.

[Luis Anaconda]

None. That's the point, I think, from May's point of view. She wants to minimise the threat from the LibDems by painting them as irrelevant.

Ah right - then there will be other "debates" with figures from the parties just not the top bods

[Burney]

People say he has a kind face, which I find odd, given that he is a snaggle-toothed communist with a penchant for enslaving humanity.

He gets peevish, nasty and sort of feral when put under pressure, though. If that side of him comes out, he'll be even more fûcked. And he's not terribly clever, so there's every chance he'll get wound up.

[Peter]

:-(

I'd really hoped that we were going to avoid this sort of crap altogether. It's so utterly ghastly and American and I cannot seriously believe it's going to change the way anyone at all votes.

Its not a debate is it? I thought it was just taking audience questions, separately?

May has done well to avoid it. She isn't remotely impressive or warm and is bloody miles ahead. Corbyn would probably make himself look even worse in a debate but she doesn't need that.

[Luis Anaconda]

Jennings, Rice, O'Leary, Young ( :hehe: ) Nelson, Talbot, Brady, Rix, Price, Sunderland, Stapleton.

Technically correct in that those 11 players all took part but Nelson was sub - controversially dropped for John Devine. Then arguably more controversially made the 12th man meaning when we were looking for a game changer we were faced with just swapping left backs. I was 8 and could tell that was a bad move

Parkes, Stewart, Bonds, Martin, Lampard, Pearson, Allen ( :hehe: ), Brooking, Devonshire, Pike, Cross since you ask

couldn't get the West Ham subs though - Paul Brush

[Peter]

He gets peevish, nasty and sort of feral when put under pressure, though. If that side of him comes out, he'll be even more fûcked. And he's not terribly clever, so there's every chance he'll get wound up.

He peers out over his notes like a condescending sociology lecturer. The very picture of 'unelectable ****'...

[Luis Anaconda]

He gets peevish, nasty and sort of feral when put under pressure, though. If that side of him comes out, he'll be even more fûcked. And he's not terribly clever, so there's every chance he'll get wound up.

Speaking of peevish, nasty and sort of feral - I almost felt sorry for Rooney yesterday. Trying to foul the Ox and getting nowhere ****ing near :hehe:

[Pokster]

The first 5 players on that list would be arrested for assault after their first tackle these days :hehe:

Sammy Nelson was probably mentally unwell, in retrospect. He enjoyed hurting people.

And Graham Rix might be checking out the ball girls to see if any were suitable

[Sir C]

Technically correct in that those 11 players all took part but Nelson was sub - controversially dropped for John Devine. Then arguably more controversially made the 12th man meaning when we were looking for a game changer we were faced with just swapping left backs. I was 8 and could tell that was a bad move

Parkes, Stewart, Bonds, Martin, Lampard, Pearson, Allen ( :hehe: ), Brooking, Devonshire, Pike, Cross since you ask

couldn't get the West Ham subs though - Paul Brush

Ooh, I had a vague recollection of Devine playing but didn't have the strength of my convictions to go with it. A lesson to be learnt there la.

Brooking :-(

[IUFG]

Technically correct in that those 11 players all took part but Nelson was sub - controversially dropped for John Devine. Then arguably more controversially made the 12th man meaning when we were looking for a game changer we were faced with just swapping left backs. I was 8 and could tell that was a bad move

Parkes, Stewart, Bonds, Martin, Lampard, Pearson, Allen ( :hehe: ), Brooking, Devonshire, Pike, Cross since you ask

couldn't get the West Ham subs though - Paul Brush

The current crop would be proud to defend like that for the goal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTRC906iFM

3.09 :bow:

[Burney]

Its not a debate is it? I thought it was just taking audience questions, separately?

May has done well to avoid it. She isn't remotely impressive or warm and is bloody miles ahead. Corbyn would probably make himself look even worse in a debate but she doesn't need that.

Oh, well in that case fair enough. It'll make feck all difference anyway. I quite liked the thing in the French presidential debate where there was no audience and minimal mediation by the host. Nobody needs the audience clapping like performing seals and getting all puffed up because they're getting to ask a question.

[SWv2]

Ooh, I had a vague recollection of Devine playing but didn't have the strength of my convictions to go with it. A lesson to be learnt there la.

Brooking :-(


I seem to recall the European loss a few days later hurting more.

The glamour of Europe, Kempes and Bonhof, us not being utter shít (unlike at Wembley), then the penalties, Liam’s last ever kick of a ball for us etc.

Devastated I was.

[Sir C]

I seem to recall the European loss a few days later hurting more.

The glamour of Europe, Kempes and Bonhof, us not being utter shít (unlike at Wembley), then the penalties, Liam’s last ever kick of a ball for us etc.

Devastated I was.

Yes. It was particularly painful standing at Heysel :-(

For some obscure reason I ended up on a charter flight out of Southend... with the supporter's club.

There were deviants on that aeroplane.

[IUFG]

I seem to recall the European loss a few days later hurting more.

The glamour of Europe, Kempes and Bonhof, us not being utter shít (unlike at Wembley), then the penalties, Liam’s last ever kick of a ball for us etc.

Devastated I was.

Di Stefano was their manager. I had no idea at the time.

[SWv2]

Di Stefano was their manager. I had no idea at the time.

Nor I.

I wager LA did. Probably kneeled down on his sitting room floor with his special Di Stefano scrapbook.

[Burney]

Yes. It was particularly painful standing at Heysel :-(

For some obscure reason I ended up on a charter flight out of Southend... with the supporter's club.

There were deviants on that aeroplane.

Are there still such things as supporters' clubs? Or do they call them something slightly less redolent of meat paste sandwiches and blow-up sex dolls these days?

[IUFG]

I wager LA did.

:nod: nerd-like levels of knowledge

[Peter]

Oh, well in that case fair enough. It'll make feck all difference anyway. I quite liked the thing in the French presidential debate where there was no audience and minimal mediation by the host. Nobody needs the audience clapping like performing seals and getting all puffed up because they're getting to ask a question.

You want a slanging match? Same here. Just let them the two of them bite at each other. No audience- the public ruin everything, particularly the sort of arsehole that would go to something like this.

[Burney]

You want a slanging match? Same here. Just let them the two of them bite at each other. No audience- the public ruin everything, particularly the sort of arsehole that would go to something like this.

Exactly. The sort of self-regarding, subhuman filth who would go to Question Time should be kept as far away from the democratic process as possible. I mean seriously, what sort of a cûnt do you have to be to think to yourself: 'Ooh, Question Time's on near me. I'll sign up for that in the hope of saying something to a politician whilst oozing self-important smugness'. Pricks.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

Technically correct in that those 11 players all took part but Nelson was sub - controversially dropped for John Devine. Then arguably more controversially made the 12th man meaning when we were looking for a game changer we were faced with just swapping left backs. I was 8 and could tell that was a bad move


The theory was that Sammy could get forward more than John

[Peter]

Exactly. The sort of self-regarding, subhuman filth who would go to Question Time should be kept as far away from the democratic process as possible. I mean seriously, what sort of a cûnt do you have to be to think to yourself: 'Ooh, Question Time's on near me. I'll sign up for that in the hope of saying something to a politician whilst oozing self-important smugness'. Pricks.

Which is why Tony Benn was always good fun on there as he would happily tell them they were idiots.

I remember one bloke saying they chop your hand off in Singapore for stealing something (they don't) which is why they don't have any crime. Benn said "Well they don't have democracy in Singapore either, perhaps you'd like to try that as well and we wouldn't have to listen to your opinions"

A very childish answer, obviously. Shut the **** up though :)

[Sir C]

Which is why Tony Benn was always good fun on there as he would happily tell them they were idiots.

I remember one bloke saying they chop your hand off in Singapore for stealing something (they don't) which is why they don't have any crime. Benn said "Well they don't have democracy in Singapore either, perhaps you'd like to try that as well and we wouldn't have to listen to your opinions"

A very childish answer, obviously. Shut the **** up though :)

Odd, really, given that Kommissar Benn was such a fan (paid pawn) of the decidedly undemocratic Soviet Union.

[Peter]

Odd, really, given that Kommissar Benn was such a fan (paid pawn) of the decidedly undemocratic Soviet Union.

The Bollinger Bolshevik ;)

[Luis Anaconda]

The theory was that Sammy could get forward more than John

Well yes - the substitution on the circumstances made sense - it was more why have a 31-year-old full back on the bench rather than someone who might change things or at least celebrated wildly like Steve Walford the year previously. I might be remembering wrongly but Neill was heavily criticised as people thought Nelson being on the bench was a sop to an old friend having dropped him from the first XI. We were **** that day anyway not sure it would have made a lot of difference

[Ash]

Odd, really, given that Kommissar Benn was such a fan (paid pawn) of the decidedly undemocratic Soviet Union.

Is there any evidence that he was paid by the USSR? It was an accusation frequently thrown at people on the left, usually on a somewhat unsubstantiated basis.

He was passionate about parliamentary democracy though, and the whole process of clawing power off the elite, from Magna Carta to the Chartists and Suffragettes. Had he been around to help lead the Leave campaign from a democratic and self-determination perspective it would have been a more decisive victory, and less open to the nasty accusations of xenophobia etc.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

Well yes - the substitution on the circumstances made sense - it was more why have a 31-year-old full back on the bench rather than someone who might change things or at least celebrated wildly like Steve Walford the year previously. I might be remembering wrongly but Neill was heavily criticised as people thought Nelson being on the bench was a sop to an old friend having dropped him from the first XI. We were **** that day anyway not sure it would have made a lot of difference

Yes
Terry was too soft because Sammy was fit but John had impressed when filling in and so wanted both of them to be in the 12 on the day
I guess the manager predicted a comfortable win against a 2nd Division side and with that in mind saw room for sentiment by keeping both John and Sammy happy
I like your Walford joke :-)
Energetic John Hollins or young Paul Vaessen might have been less stupid substitute options

[Sir C]

Yes
Terry was too soft because Sammy was fit but John had impressed when filling in and so wanted both of them to be in the 12 on the day
I guess the manager predicted a comfortable win against a 2nd Division side and with that in mind saw room for sentiment by keeping both John and Sammy happy
I like your Walford joke :-)
Energetic John Hollins or young Paul Vaessen might have been less stupid substitute options

Walford was no laughing matter. The useless Spurs **** came on at 2-0 and within moments it was 2-2.

[Burney]

Is there any evidence that he was paid by the USSR? It was an accusation frequently thrown at people on the left, usually on a somewhat unsubstantiated basis.

He was passionate about parliamentary democracy though, and the whole process of clawing power off the elite, from Magna Carta to the Chartists and Suffragettes. Had he been around to help lead the Leave campaign from a democratic and self-determination perspective it would have been a more decisive victory, and less open to the nasty accusations of xenophobia etc.

He wasn't keen enough on clawing power away from the elite not to engage in a very exclusive inheritance tax dodge that kept all his money out of the hands of HMRC, though, was he?
As a keen critic of rank hypocrisy, I thought you'd appreciate that. ;-)

[Viva Prat Vegas]

Walford was no laughing matter. The useless Spurs **** came on at 2-0 and within moments it was 2-2.

:hehe:
I wonder if Walford is another one not invited to the White Hart Lane parade

[Sir C]

Is there any evidence that he was paid by the USSR? It was an accusation frequently thrown at people on the left, usually on a somewhat unsubstantiated basis.

He was passionate about parliamentary democracy though, and the whole process of clawing power off the elite, from Magna Carta to the Chartists and Suffragettes. Had he been around to help lead the Leave campaign from a democratic and self-determination perspective it would have been a more decisive victory, and less open to the nasty accusations of xenophobia etc.

:nod: SIS knew all about it. It was partly this fact which led to the planning of the military coup against Wilson's government in 1974.

It's a shame the army decided against; we'd have enjoyed years os strong and stable government under Lord Protector Mountbatten instead of 50 years of socialism.

[Burney]

:nod: SIS knew all about it. It was partly this fact which led to the planning of the military coup against Wilson's government in 1974.

It's a shame the army decided against; we'd have enjoyed years os strong and stable government under Lord Protector Mountbatten instead of 50 years of socialism.

Yes, but military coups, though. :-( We'd be no better than frogs or dagoes if we did that sort of thing.

[Sir C]

Yes, but military coups, though. :-( We'd be no better than frogs or dagoes if we did that sort of thing.

In extremis one must consider all options, b. Imagine if, in June, the Labour Party were able to do a Tower Hamlets with the postal vote and were 'elected' with 178% of the vote. What then? We'd be looking to the Imperial General Staff to liberate us, would we not?

[Ash]

:nod: SIS knew all about it.

Pffft. I bet they made it up as part of their evil machinations.

[Sir C]

Pffft. I bet they made it up as part of their evil machinations.

It is also believed by many that MI5 had a plan to kill Benn in the event that he succeeded Wilson as Labour leader.

I must say, it's good to know that the security services have our best interests at heart.

[Burney]

In extremis one must consider all options, b. Imagine if, in June, the Labour Party were able to do a Tower Hamlets with the postal vote and were 'elected' with 178% of the vote. What then? We'd be looking to the Imperial General Staff to liberate us, would we not?

Oh, if power were seized illegally, of course. But not in the common run of things, no.

However, the chances of Labour managing to pull off something as complex as nationwide electoral fraud are pretty slim given they couldn't find their arses with both hands at the moment.

[Burney]

It is also believed by many that MI5 had a plan to kill Benn in the event that he succeeded Wilson as Labour leader.

I must say, it's good to know that the security services have our best interests at heart.

I saw Stella Rimington on telly a while back saying that no MI6 agent has ever been 'licensed to kill' outside wartime.

I thought: 'Well what fûcking good are they, then?'

[Sir C]

I saw Stella Rimington on telly a while back saying that no MI6 agent has ever been 'licensed to kill' outside wartime.

I thought: 'Well what fûcking good are they, then?'

I put it to you that what she means is, "When a member of MI5 kills in the line of duty we hold an internal enquiry to check that the execution was justified."

[PSRB]

Speaking of peevish, nasty and sort of feral - I almost felt sorry for Rooney yesterday. Trying to foul the Ox and getting nowhere ****ing near :hehe:

How did he not get booked for that?

[Sir C]

Oh, if power were seized illegally, of course. But not in the common run of things, no.

However, the chances of Labour managing to pull off something as complex as nationwide electoral fraud are pretty slim given they couldn't find their arses with both hands at the moment.

Balls to that, when the socialists are elected the seizure of power may be legal but it is certainly immoral. I would authorised any and all measures to keep them from enslaving our Dear People.

[Burney]

I put it to you that what she means is, "When a member of MI5 kills in the line of duty we hold an internal enquiry to check that the execution was justified."

I should bloody well hope they're out there topping people where necessary. Mind you, I think what she probably means is that killing people isn't their job as that's down to the military once the intelligence job's been done.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

How did he not get booked for that?

Because he was not Xhaka

[Peter]

It is also believed by many that MI5 had a plan to kill Benn in the event that he succeeded Wilson as Labour leader.

I must say, it's good to know that the security services have our best interests at heart.

And its the left that don't believe in democracy? :)

[Peter]

Balls to that, when the socialists are elected the seizure of power may be legal but it is certainly immoral. I would authorised any and all measures to keep them from enslaving our Dear People.

The will of the (Dear) people counts for nothing in your eyes?

[Sir C]

The will of the (Dear) people counts for nothing in your eyes?

Christ no. They are as thick as mince and, on occasion, need saving from themselves.

[Sir C]

And its the left that don't believe in democracy? :)

No; the left believe in dictatorship. We on the side of Right believe in democracy but recognise universal suffrage as a dangerous error.

One man, one vote. That is to say, one gentleman over the age of 30, and of property, one vote.

[Luis Anaconda]

Yes
Terry was too soft because Sammy was fit but John had impressed when filling in and so wanted both of them to be in the 12 on the day
I guess the manager predicted a comfortable win against a 2nd Division side and with that in mind saw room for sentiment by keeping both John and Sammy happy
I like your Walford joke :-)
Energetic John Hollins or young Paul Vaessen might have been less stupid substitute options
I thought we signed Hollins the following summer but you're right he could have been on the bench. Covered more positions for one thing.

[Burney]

I thought we signed Hollins the following summer but you're right he could have been on the bench. Covered more positions for one thing.

The thing I remember about John Hollins was that he appeared to be in his late 40s when we signed him.

[Ash]

Christ no. They are as thick as mince and, on occasion, need saving from themselves.

Tony Blair, Tim Farron and Jean-Claude Juncker like this.

You on the other hand, should realise that only the proles can now save you from the worst of your fears.

[Sir C]

Tony Blair, Tim Farron and Jean-Claude Juncker like this.

You on the other hand, should realise that only the proles can now save you from the worst of your fears.

I have been quoting Orwell for the past couple of years, actually. 'If there is hope,' wrote Winston, 'it lies in the proles.' The proles have spoken and saved us fom Clinton and the EU; now it is time to pat them on the head return them to their comfortable existence of pubs, pies and mashes, football pools and dog racing, which activities, I believe, keep them relatively supine.