Hmm, it seems to me that Labour need to connect with their traditional support base.

[Sir C]

Time to wheel out the big guns, surely?

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[redgunamo]

Time to wheel out the big guns, surely?

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Well, I think he looks very nice.

[Sir C]

Well, I think he looks very nice.

Oh, I definitely would, obviously.

[Luis Anaconda]

Time to wheel out the big guns, surely?

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*******s to him, sir C- He appears to be in the remake of Whiskey Galore - HOW CAN YOU REMAKE A FILM THAT IS PRACTICALLY PERFECT?

It had James Robertson Justice in it for God's sake

[Luis Anaconda]

Well, I think he looks very nice.

He's no Basil Radford though

[Burney]

*******s to him, sir C- He appears to be in the remake of Whiskey Galore - HOW CAN YOU REMAKE A FILM THAT IS PRACTICALLY PERFECT?

It had James Robertson Justice in it for God's sake

It does seem very remiss of this country to have allowed James Robertson Justice to die without at least retaining enough of his generic material to clone him - or at least his beard.

[Sir C]

*******s to him, sir C- He appears to be in the remake of Whiskey Galore - HOW CAN YOU REMAKE A FILM THAT IS PRACTICALLY PERFECT?

It had James Robertson Justice in it for God's sake

One hesitates to use intemperate language, la, but the fellow is clearly a twisted deviant. Interfering with Whiskey Galore is a monstrous act of cultural vandalism.

He is often seen in the workplace of a friend of mine and always used the female toilets. I find this distateful.

[Burney]

One hesitates to use intemperate language, la, but the fellow is clearly a twisted deviant. Interfering with Whiskey Galore is a monstrous act of cultural vandalism.

He is often seen in the workplace of a friend of mine and always used the female toilets. I find this distateful.

What?! That's repellent. They should have the bugger arrested.

[Sir C]

What?! That's repellent. They should have the bugger arrested.

Well, the fúcker walks around wearing a dress, so he should clearly be incarcerated.

[Burney]

Well, the fúcker walks around wearing a dress, so he should clearly be incarcerated.

I always knew that transvestism was the thin end of the crazy wedge.

What's his preferred pronoun?

[Luis Anaconda]

It does seem very remiss of this country to have allowed James Robertson Justice to die without at least retaining enough of his generic material to clone him - or at least his beard.

I'd like to think there is a lab somewhere that did and is just waiting for the right time to unleash an army of JRJs on the world

[Peter]

I always knew that transvestism was the thin end of the crazy wedge.

What's his preferred pronoun?

Oh those ****s get on my ****ing nerves. We have an existing pronoun that is non gender specific- It. Apparently that is offensive.

Tough ****ing ****- it or that, he/she.

They want mixed toilets at work. Its not ****ing Ally McBeal....

[redgunamo]

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I'd like to think there is a lab somewhere that did and is just waiting for the right time to unleash an army of JRJs on the world

[Sir C]

Oh those ****s get on my ****ing nerves. We have an existing pronoun that is non gender specific- It. Apparently that is offensive.

Tough ****ing ****- it or that, he/she.

They want mixed toilets at work. Its not ****ing Ally McBeal....

Ally McBeal! I haven't thought of her in years.

I liked Ally McBeal. I liked the bloke who said, "Can I get a courtesy flush? I like a clean bowl."

[Luis Anaconda]

Oh those ****s get on my ****ing nerves. We have an existing pronoun that is non gender specific- It. Apparently that is offensive.

Tough ****ing ****- it or that, he/she.

They want mixed toilets at work. Its not ****ing Ally McBeal....

No Harrison Ford is

[Luis Anaconda]

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Not toot sweet at all, r

[redgunamo]

Not toot sweet at all, r

Just goes to show, all that glitters is not Goldfinger.

[Burney]

Oh those ****s get on my ****ing nerves. We have an existing pronoun that is non gender specific- It. Apparently that is offensive.

Tough ****ing ****- it or that, he/she.

They want mixed toilets at work. Its not ****ing Ally McBeal....

You'll not be surprised to learn that I blame Blair for all this sort of thing. Once you start mandating tolerance of 'diversity' and policing the language accordingly, you open the floodgates for all manner of nonsensical fùckery.

[Burney]

No Harrison Ford is

Reminds me of that joke: What's the difference between a counterfeit dollar and Callista Flockhart?

Well one is a phoney buck...

[Sir C]

No Harrison Ford is

Wait, Harrison Ford is boning Ally McBeal? She's about 21 and he's 100 if he's a day, ffs!

Sick bástard.

[Peter]

You'll not be surprised to learn that I blame Blair for all this sort of thing. Once you start mandating tolerance of 'diversity' and policing the language accordingly, you open the floodgates for all manner of nonsensical fùckery.

Yeah, I get that you think that, b.

I think the problem is you have a generation that grew up being taught about the heroic struggles against prejudice undertaken by previous generations and they want their own. So now we have to change toilet customs for a few awkward and confused benders who cant decide whether to piss standing up.

I suggested a third toilet called 'other' for all the various weirdos and tossers. Didn't go down well.

There is also an issue with dyslexics and other blaggers using the disabled toilets which should be set aside for spaccas.

I think I am just reaching an age where this stuff annoys me.

[Luis Anaconda]

Wait, Harrison Ford is boning Ally McBeal? She's about 21 and he's 100 if he's a day, ffs!

Sick bástard.

52 and 74, but yes.

[Burney]

Yeah, I get that you think that, b.

I think the problem is you have a generation that grew up being taught about the heroic struggles against prejudice undertaken by previous generations and they want their own. So now we have to change toilet customs for a few awkward and confused benders who cant decide whether to piss standing up.

I suggested a third toilet called 'other' for all the various weirdos and tossers. Didn't go down well.

There is also an issue with dyslexics and other blaggers using the disabled toilets which should be set aside for spaccas.

I think I am just reaching an age where this stuff annoys me.

My mother is convinced they're mostly just common or garden pooves who are sufficiently ashamed of their poovery that they feel the need to legitimise it as a quasi-medical condition.

I think she has a point.

[Burney]

52 and 74, but yes.

He's never only 74, is he? Could have sworn he was 80-odd.
How olds Clint Eastwoid? He must be pushing 90 now, surely?

[Peter]

My mother is convinced they're mostly just common or garden pooves who are sufficiently ashamed of their poovery that they feel the need to legitimise it as a quasi-medical condition.

I think she has a point.

Attention-seeking ****s is the other main possibility, plus the modern desire to play the victim. When did being a victim become an aspirational thing?

[redgunamo]

My mother is convinced they're mostly just common or garden pooves who are sufficiently ashamed of their poovery that they feel the need to legitimise it as a quasi-medical condition.

I think she has a point.

Certainly, but it was the weakening of more traditional values that opened the door for it.

[redgunamo]

Attention-seeking ****s is the other main possibility, plus the modern desire to play the victim. When did being a victim become an aspirational thing?

When it became so lucrative obviously.

[Peter]

When it became so lucrative obviously.

And when was that?

[Ash]

Attention-seeking ****s is the other main possibility, plus the modern desire to play the victim. When did being a victim become an aspirational thing?

It certainly got a boost the 90's, when PR firms were hired to cast specific groups as victims needing military intervention in their favour. Also there was the Diana thing which seemed to glorify victimhood.

I agree with your earlier point about "a generation that grew up being taught about the heroic struggles against prejudice undertaken by previous generations and they want their own." Though I would be squeemish about using the word 'bender'.

[redgunamo]

And when was that?

Don't ask me! You're the one who paid attention at school.

[redgunamo]

It certainly got a boost the 90's, when PR firms were hired to cast specific groups as victims needing military intervention in their favour. Also there was the Diana thing which seemed to glorify victimhood.

I agree with your earlier point about "a generation that grew up being taught about the heroic struggles against prejudice undertaken by previous generations and they want their own." Though I would be squeemish about using the word 'bender'.

Nobody is against prejudice, A. In fact, everybody wants to get a piece of it. 'Twas ever thus.

[SWv2]

It certainly got a boost the 90's, when PR firms were hired to cast specific groups as victims needing military intervention in their favour. Also there was the Diana thing which seemed to glorify victimhood.

I agree with your earlier point about "a generation that grew up being taught about the heroic struggles against prejudice undertaken by previous generations and they want their own." Though I would be squeemish about using the word 'bender'.

Nothing wrong with being a Bender.

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[Peter]

It certainly got a boost the 90's, when PR firms were hired to cast specific groups as victims needing military intervention in their favour. Also there was the Diana thing which seemed to glorify victimhood.

I agree with your earlier point about "a generation that grew up being taught about the heroic struggles against prejudice undertaken by previous generations and they want their own." Though I would be squeemish about using the word 'bender'.

I wouldn't call a gay bloke a bender. I use it for the awkward sods who wont let you call them anything else.

[redgunamo]

I wouldn't call a gay bloke a bender. I use it for the awkward sods who wont let you call them anything else.

Would you call a bender "gay"?

[Burney]

Would you call a bender "gay"?

In my experience, the better class of bender couldn't give a toss what you call them - within reason.

[redgunamo]

In my experience, the better class of bender couldn't give a toss what you call them - within reason.

Right. Sticks and stones and a' that. Can't expect Peter's sort to understand though, can you.

[7sisters]

Le singe dan l'arbre,

Yes, wasn't that his launch pad to comedy ? that, and the whole transgender schtick

[Luis Anaconda]

He's never only 74, is he? Could have sworn he was 80-odd.
How olds Clint Eastwoid? He must be pushing 90 now, surely?

87 this month

[Ash]

Le singe dan l'arbre,

Yes, wasn't that his launch pad to comedy ? that, and the whole transgender schtick

Action transvestite. Or liberal imperialist as I would describe him. Bragged about being "thinly read" while proposing violent solutions to complex problems he wasn't remotely interested in trying to understand.

I did like his surrealism though. And his James Mason and Sean Connery voices. And his Darth Vader with the lunch tray sketch. And Mrs Badcrumble.

[Sir C]

Action transvestite. Or liberal imperialist as I would describe him. Bragged about being "thinly read" while proposing violent solutions to complex problems he wasn't remotely interested in trying to understand.

I did like his surrealism though. And his James Mason and Sean Connery voices. And his Darth Vader with the lunch tray sketch. And Mrs Badcrumble.

I heard him making jokes about God and Jesus once. The blasphemous ****.

[Burney]

Action transvestite. Or liberal imperialist as I would describe him. Bragged about being "thinly read" while proposing violent solutions to complex problems he wasn't remotely interested in trying to understand.

I did like his surrealism though. And his James Mason and Sean Connery voices. And his Darth Vader with the lunch tray sketch. And Mrs Badcrumble.

I think as a society, we probably need to re-examine this received idea that the ability to make people laugh constitutes a profound intellectual achievement that suggests your opinions on other matters have any particular weight.

[Ash]

Nobody is against prejudice, A. In fact, everybody wants to get a piece of it. 'Twas ever thus.

Well, yes, it all depends on what sort of prejudice is fashionable. Today it is fashionable to pre-judge Leave voters, for example, by people who don't realise they are bigots.

[Ash]

I think as a society, we probably need to re-examine this received idea that the ability to make people laugh constitutes a profound intellectual achievement that suggests your opinions on other matters have any particular weight.

I'm tempted to say something about stock jokes against UKIP and the Daily Mail for BBC studio audiences, but it's probably a wider matter, where succesful entertainers have long felt they have a responsibility or mission to use their reach for something they believe to be right. Frank Sinatra was very supportive of FDR, for example.

[Burney]

I'm tempted to say something about stock jokes against UKIP and the Daily Mail for BBC studio audiences, but it's probably a wider matter, where succesful entertainers have long felt they have a responsibility or mission to use their reach for something they believe to be right. Frank Sinatra was very supportive of FDR, for example.

I don't think it's that complex. The thing you have to remember about performers is that they do what they do because they crave acceptance and approval. This means they will always be drawn to the accepted wisdom of whatever milieu they inhabit and will adopt the politics that they think will get them applause.

[Peter]

Would you call a bender "gay"?

I would probably ask him what his name was and call him by that. I doubt I would often have cause to refer to his sexual preference as it is of no interest to me. If it really matters to him then we are probably not going to get along...

[Peter]

I don't think it's that complex. The thing you have to remember about performers is that they do what they do because they crave acceptance and approval. This means they will always be drawn to the accepted wisdom of whatever milieu they inhabit and will adopt the politics that they think will get them applause.

This is only really an issue because people pay far too much attention to celebrities. Dangerous in its own right.

[redgunamo]

He's no Basil Radford though

Decent free-kick last night though, all the same.

[redgunamo]

Yeah, I get that you think that, b.

I think the problem is you have a generation that grew up being taught about the heroic struggles against prejudice undertaken by previous generations and they want their own. So now we have to change toilet customs for a few awkward and confused benders who cant decide whether to piss standing up.

I suggested a third toilet called 'other' for all the various weirdos and tossers. Didn't go down well.

There is also an issue with dyslexics and other blaggers using the disabled toilets which should be set aside for spaccas.

I think I am just reaching an age where this stuff annoys me.

No, you had a couple of generations that lost all credibility, having brought the world to its knees in great big wars and such to the point that their descendents roundly rejected both them and everything they stood for. Not that they had any better ideas or anything, simply that so long as it was new and different, it must be good and if it was old and traditional and their parents did it, it must be bad.

This phenomenon is particularly stark on the continent (oddly enough, I suppose) where you have teenage Germans, for example, bemoaning the fact that, on their worldly travels, they are often subjected to Nazi jibes, even though that whole sorry business had obviously nothing to do with them. You can readily understand the resentment felt towards their forefathers that way.

Why this curiosity should be so prevalent among urban trendies in London and New York remains something of a mystery. But then, cities are always about the exotic, aren't they.

[redgunamo]

I think as a society, we probably need to re-examine this received idea that the ability to make people laugh constitutes a profound intellectual achievement that suggests your opinions on other matters have any particular weight.

As I just said to P, they don't have to have any particular weight. What's important is that their opinions have a different weight to their parents'.

[redgunamo]

Well, yes, it all depends on what sort of prejudice is fashionable. Today it is fashionable to pre-judge Leave voters, for example, by people who don't realise they are bigots.

Yes, I understand they call it "weaponising compassion or empathy" nowadays. Choose which groups matter and which groups don’t, then you control the conversation, the culture and the politics.