:****sportwimb: This whole erasing records things in athletic seems very silly.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

They're getting rid of all world records pre 2005 and yet people are still cheating regularly. In 30 years time do they wipe out records again?

[Pokster]

They're getting rid of all world records pre 2005 and yet people are still cheating regularly. In 30 years time do they wipe out records again?

All samples are now kept and stored, so they can be retested in future when new testing procedures have been developed.... the Women's 400m record has been a joke for over 30 years, hardf to believe that only about 4 of the top 20 times have been set in the last 12 years considering how just about every record has been broken on a number of occasions.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

All samples are now kept and stored, so they can be retested in future when new testing procedures have been developed.... the Women's 400m record has been a joke for over 30 years, hardf to believe that only about 4 of the top 20 times have been set in the last 12 years considering how just about every record has been broken on a number of occasions.

It's very harsh on the clean athletes though. If i was Jonathan Edwards i'd be fuming.

[Burney]

They're getting rid of all world records pre 2005 and yet people are still cheating regularly. In 30 years time do they wipe out records again?

Well now we have transgender athletes smashing female records, the whole thing's become absurd. Might as well write female sport off as a sacrifice to gender theory.

[Luis Anaconda]

All samples are now kept and stored, so they can be retested in future when new testing procedures have been developed.... the Women's 400m record has been a joke for over 30 years, hardf to believe that only about 4 of the top 20 times have been set in the last 12 years considering how just about every record has been broken on a number of occasions.

Bob Beamon's long jump record lasted 23 years - and now Mike Powell's has survived since 1991. Is that proof both were on drugs then? Jonathan Edwards is 20 years now isn't it. Michael Johnson held the 400m record for 17 years. These things happen *

*though I've just seen where the women's 400m record holder came from :yikes:

[redgunamo]

Well now we have transgender athletes smashing female records, the whole thing's become absurd. Might as well write female sport off as a sacrifice to gender theory.

Yes, all in a vain attempt to remain relevant, in the age when football threatened to take over.

It's all about priorities, innit. Notice how the FA managed to easily find a perfectly reasonable way to ensure positive tests remained private? Why didn't the athletics panjandra (panjandrums?) think of this? Because they didn't want or care to, that's why.

[World's End Stella]

Yes, utterly laughable and confirms what I have always thought, that Coe is a self-absorbed, self-serving cretin of the highest order.

Let's erase all the world records before 2005 so that clean athletes like Usain Bolt can be given the recognition they deserve. :hehe:

[IUFG]

Bob Beamon's long jump record lasted 23 years

wasn't that 'at altitude' ?

Thinner air makes all the difference, you see.
That and the drugs,

[Luis Anaconda]

wasn't that 'at altitude' ?

Thinner air makes all the difference, you see.
That and the drugs,

Mexico City, so yes, but surely there were competitions at altitude in the years after that

[Burney]

Yes, utterly laughable and confirms what I have always thought, that Coe is a self-absorbed, self-serving cretin of the highest order.

Let's erase all the world records before 2005 so that clean athletes like Usain Bolt can be given the recognition they deserve. :hehe:

Would that be the Usain Bolt who is about the only member of the Jamaican 4x100 team from London 2012 who hasn't been busted for doping? :rubchin:

[World's End Stella]

Would that be the Usain Bolt who is about the only member of the Jamaican 4x100 team from London 2012 who hasn't been busted for doping? :rubchin:

Oh yeah. The same Usain Bolt who in one year went from a tall, skinny sprinter with a personal best of 10.0 to a tall, massively built sprinter who broke the world record by running 9.7.

And the same Usain Bolt who runs for a country where one of the athletics Olympics reps admitted that there had been no out of competition testing for years. :hehe:

[World's End Stella]

Mexico City, so yes, but surely there were competitions at altitude in the years after that

Also, the legend is that somehow the machine that tested the wind speed was broken at the time of his jump. Some estimates were that it was as high as 5m/s (2m/s is the max allowable for a world record) at the time of his jump.

[redgunamo]

Oh yeah. The same Usain Bolt who in one year went from a tall, skinny sprinter with a personal best of 10.0 to a tall, massively built sprinter who broke the world record by running 9.7.

And the same Usain Bolt who runs for a country where one of the athletics Olympics reps admitted that there had been no out of competition testing for years. :hehe:

Oh, I didn't know all that. I'd always cut the Windians some slack as they do have quite a long history of producing world class athletes (cricket fast bowlers) of the Usain Bolt type.

Perhaps there really is more to it.

[World's End Stella]

Oh, I didn't know all that. I'd always cut the Windians some slack as they do have quite a long history of producing world class athletes (cricket fast bowlers) of the Usain Bolt type.

Perhaps there really is more to it.

Not Jamaica in sprinting. If you check the history of sprinting you'll find Jamaica surprisingly under-represented with only Don Quarrie really having achieved anything. They were late to the drug game, it seems but judging by the builds on their sprinters they seem to be making up for lost time, Second fastest man in the world after Bolt at one point, Yohan Blake:

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[Burney]

Oh, I didn't know all that. I'd always cut the Windians some slack as they do have quite a long history of producing world class athletes (cricket fast bowlers) of the Usain Bolt type.

Perhaps there really is more to it.

I don't think it's necessarily an either/or between being world-class athletes and being drugged up.

[Burney]

Not Jamaica in sprinting. If you check the history of sprinting you'll find Jamaica surprisingly under-represented with only Don Quarrie really having achieved anything. They were late to the drug game, it seems but judging by the builds on their sprinters they seem to be making up for lost time, Second fastest man in the world after Bolt at one point, Yohan Blake:

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They had Merlene Ottey, who I used to fancy.

Although she was full of drugs, too, wasn't she?

[World's End Stella]

Usain when he wasn't world class and Usain when he was just a few years later
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[World's End Stella]

They had Merlene Ottey, who I used to fancy.

Although she was full of drugs, too, wasn't she?

Yes, she was a bit of all right. Not sure about her doping record, though.

[redgunamo]

I don't think it's necessarily an either/or between being world-class athletes and being drugged up.

No, fair point. But not Courtney surely :-(

[Billy Goat Sverige]

Oh yeah. The same Usain Bolt who in one year went from a tall, skinny sprinter with a personal best of 10.0 to a tall, massively built sprinter who broke the world record by running 9.7.

And the same Usain Bolt who runs for a country where one of the athletics Olympics reps admitted that there had been no out of competition testing for years. :hehe:

Hang on. He only used to focus on the 200m. He started training with the 100m in mind and started running more 100m races which is why you saw his times drop quickly. He ran 19.93 for the 200m at 17 ffs so he was obviously talented.

[redgunamo]

Not Jamaica in sprinting. If you check the history of sprinting you'll find Jamaica surprisingly under-represented with only Don Quarrie really having achieved anything. They were late to the drug game, it seems but judging by the builds on their sprinters they seem to be making up for lost time, Second fastest man in the world after Bolt at one point, Yohan Blake:

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That's what I mean; before, they'd have played cricket maybe? I really don't know.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

Usain when he wasn't world class and Usain when he was just a few years later
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Comparing the physique of a junior athlete at 18/19 to a 25 year old :rolleyes:

[Burney]

Usain when he wasn't world class and Usain when he was just a few years later
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To be fair, he was 18/19 in that pic. You would expect a man to develop physically between 18 and 22

Although I must say, he seems to have been quite well developed in other areas at that point. :-(

[Burney]

No, fair point. But not Courtney surely :-(

Of course not. I'm not sure there were drugs around that would've helped back then.

Holding was apparently a potentially world-class 400m runner before he started with the fast bowling.

[redgunamo]

Of course not. I'm not sure there were drugs around that would've helped back then.

Holding was apparently a potentially world-class 400m runner before he started with the fast bowling.

Or the money to pay for them either probably. But yes, this is the sort of thing I mean. Pedigree, see. You can't beat a good pedigree.

[Pokster]

Usain when he wasn't world class and Usain when he was just a few years later
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so he was 18 or 19 in the first picture...... I think even with your blinkers on that at 19 practically every person in the world develops more muscle mass as weigth training kicks in

[World's End Stella]

Hang on. He only used to focus on the 200m. He started training with the 100m in mind and started running more 100m races which is why you saw his times drop quickly. He ran 19.93 for the 200m at 17 ffs so he was obviously talented.

He ran the 400 at the world juniors, as I recall. I don't think he even won.

But that isn't really relevant, BGS. No one, and I mean no one, goes from 10 flat to 9.7 in one year, unless they're using drugs.

[Pokster]

He ran the 400 at the world juniors, as I recall. I don't think he even won.

But that isn't really relevant, BGS. No one, and I mean no one, goes from 10 flat to 9.7 in one year, unless they're using drugs.

you are funny.... in a strange ****ed up way

[World's End Stella]

so he was 18 or 19 in the first picture...... I think even with your blinkers on that at 19 practically every person in the world develops more muscle mass as weigth training kicks in

He ran 9.72 in 2008 when he was 21, so 2 years after that first photo and his physique at the Olympics later that year was no different from the picture I posted.

Drugs, I'm afraid, chaps.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

He ran the 400 at the world juniors, as I recall. I don't think he even won.

But that isn't really relevant, BGS. No one, and I mean no one, goes from 10 flat to 9.7 in one year, unless they're using drugs.

Dina Asher-Smith (someone who was also a 200m specialist as a junior) went from 11.23 to 10.99 in the space of a year. Young athletes make massive improvements, especially in the case of sprinters focusing on different sprinting events.

[Pokster]

He ran 9.72 in 2008 when he was 21, so 2 years after that first photo and his physique at the Olympics later that year was no different from the picture I posted.

Drugs, I'm afraid, chaps.

Or the facft he didn't start training to run 100m until 2007... he was the Junior world record holder and was being primed to run 400m... he only started running 100m when he broke the Jamaican record at 200m and his coach let him.

Just face facts, you are barking mad and know as little about this as you seem to do about football

[World's End Stella]

Dina Asher-Smith (someone who was also a 200m specialist as a junior) went from 11.23 to 10.99 in the space of a year. Young athletes make massive improvements, especially in the case of sprinters focusing on different sprinting events.

Context, BGS. 10.99 is about 0.5 secs off the world record, Bolt went from an average 100m time at the world class level to destroying the world record in one year.

BTW, here he is winning the Olympic gold medal at the age of 21 some 2 years after the above photo.

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[Pokster]

Context, BGS. 10.99 is about 0.5 secs off the world record, Bolt went from an average 100m time at the world class level to destroying the world record in one year.

BTW, here he is winning the Olympic gold medal at the age of 21 some 2 years after the above photo.

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clutchingatstrawsWIMB... he broke the world record in his 5th senior 100m race, he had already broken world junior 200m records
he was running time when he was 16 that Michael Johnmson didn't run until he was in his 20's

[World's End Stella]

Dina Asher-Smith (someone who was also a 200m specialist as a junior) went from 11.23 to 10.99 in the space of a year. Young athletes make massive improvements, especially in the case of sprinters focusing on different sprinting events.

Well, yes, you would expect a dramatic improvement if Bolt was 19 years old running the 200m only and then began focusing on the 100m as well. And this was shown when he moved down to 10 flat, a remarkable improvement.

To then drop another 3/10s of a second in one year while his physique changed dramatically and he smashed the world record by over a 1/10 of a second (an astonishing amount) is pretty much inconceivable. Without drugs.