A £70,000 salary defines you as rich?

[Sir C]

What utter tosh. £70,000 equates to around £4,000 per month, net. Call it £1,000 per week.

Now let's subtract essentials: Cigarettes and booze, £210 per week. Food, £200 per week.

So we're left with £590 per week to pay for motoring expenses, eating out, holidays and staff?

Fúck off. Impossible.

Obviously you can live reasonably comfortably on £70k (assuming you don't have a mortgage, naturally) but 'rich'? Absolute nonsense.

Shows how out of touch with ordinary people the left is.

[Peter]

What utter tosh. £70,000 equates to around £4,000 per month, net. Call it £1,000 per week.

Now let's subtract essentials: Cigarettes and booze, £210 per week. Food, £200 per week.

So we're left with £590 per week to pay for motoring expenses, eating out, holidays and staff?

Fúck off. Impossible.

Obviously you can live reasonably comfortably on £70k (assuming you don't have a mortgage, naturally) but 'rich'? Absolute nonsense.

Shows how out of touch with ordinary people the left is.

Switch to roll ups, Chief. You'll save a fortune. Asda do a very presentable own brand lager that could save you a couple of bob.

With the whole Brexit deal you are going to run out of foreigners to exploit so you may have to cut back on the staff and do a bit of hoovering yourself.

[Pat Vegas]

What utter tosh. £70,000 equates to around £4,000 per month, net. Call it £1,000 per week.

Now let's subtract essentials: Cigarettes and booze, £210 per week. Food, £200 per week.

So we're left with £590 per week to pay for motoring expenses, eating out, holidays and staff?

Fúck off. Impossible.

Obviously you can live reasonably comfortably on £70k (assuming you don't have a mortgage, naturally) but 'rich'? Absolute nonsense.

Shows how out of touch with ordinary people the left is.

:nod: It's definitely not 'Monty Money' :-)

and if you are on a 70k salary you are going to live in a different way. Therefore you will most likely have a higher mortgage than others as you've perhaps bought a more expensive place and more expensive to run and maintain car.

[Pat Vegas]

Switch to roll ups, Chief. You'll save a fortune. Asda do a very presentable own brand lager that could save you a couple of bob.

With the whole Brexit deal you are going to run out of foreigners to exploit so you may have to cut back on the staff and do a bit of hoovering yourself.

roll ups are not nice. :-(

[Peter]

roll ups are not nice. :-(

I switched last year and its fantastic once you find the right tobacco and filters for you.

I buy mine duty free. I smoke like a chimney but I spent 58 quid on tobacco last November and haven't spent a penny since.

Best decision I ever made.

[Peter]

:nod: It's definitely not 'Monty Money' :-)

and if you are on a 70k salary you are going to live in a different way. Therefore you will most likely have a higher mortgage than others as you've perhaps bought a more expensive place and more expensive to run and maintain car.

At times of national crisis we must all pull together and tighten our belts out of civic duty for this country that we all love. Some personal sacrifices may be necessary.

You know, like the ones we ask poor people to make all the time.

[Pat Vegas]

At times of national crisis we must all pull together and tighten our belts out of civic duty for this country that we all love. Some personal sacrifices may be necessary.

You know, like the ones we ask poor people to make all the time.

Hang on. What Crisis! :-)

[Sir C]

At times of national crisis we must all pull together and tighten our belts out of civic duty for this country that we all love. Some personal sacrifices may be necessary.

You know, like the ones we ask poor people to make all the time.

Yes, it's deeply unfait that 1% of the population only pays 27% of income tax receipts. Surely these scavengers who do nothng better than work hard to create employment and wealth should carry every other lazy, feckless victim?

[Pat Vegas]

Yes, it's deeply unfait that 1% of the population only pays 27% of income tax receipts. Surely these scavengers who do nothng better than work hard to create employment and wealth should carry every other lazy, feckless victim?

If you ever accidentally put on channel 5 there is bound to be a benefits programme on.

They all smoke.

[Peter]

Yes, it's deeply unfait that 1% of the population only pays 27% of income tax receipts. Surely these scavengers who do nothng better than work hard to create employment and wealth should carry every other lazy, feckless victim?

That 1% work hard to create wealth do they? The people that work for them may well do and it is hardly a badge of honour particularly if you are intent on keeping all of that created wealth for yourself.

Anyway, I hardly think 70 grand puts you in the top 1%. Lets stay on topic here.....

[SWv2]

What utter tosh. £70,000 equates to around £4,000 per month, net. Call it £1,000 per week.

Now let's subtract essentials: Cigarettes and booze, £210 per week. Food, £200 per week.

So we're left with £590 per week to pay for motoring expenses, eating out, holidays and staff?

Fúck off. Impossible.

Obviously you can live reasonably comfortably on £70k (assuming you don't have a mortgage, naturally) but 'rich'? Absolute nonsense.

Shows how out of touch with ordinary people the left is.

Are you confusing material wealth and perceived social status with the intangible matters of life where one can truly say to be “rich”?

Happiness, health, inner peace.

You may profess in public to have loads of money and live the life of a bon viveur but given you have this week unfortunately suffered a mini-stroke (TIA, remember this) you are indeed far from rich.

[Pat Vegas]

That 1% work hard to create wealth do they? The people that work for them may well do and it is hardly a badge of honour particularly if you are intent on keeping all of that created wealth for yourself.

Anyway, I hardly think 70 grand puts you in the top 1%. Lets stay on topic here.....
Just over 5% of tax payers in the UK earn over 70 grand.

[Peter]

Are you confusing material wealth and perceived social status with the intangible matters of life where one can truly say to be “rich”?

Happiness, health, inner peace.

You may profess in public to have loads of money and live the life of a bon viveur but given you have this week unfortunately suffered a mini-stroke (TIA, remember this) you are indeed far from rich.

You can't tax happiness or good health. Pity ;)

[Pat Vegas]

Are you confusing material wealth and perceived social status with the intangible matters of life where one can truly say to be “rich”?

Happiness, health, inner peace.

You may profess in public to have loads of money and live the life of a bon viveur but given you have this week unfortunately suffered a mini-stroke (TIA, remember this) you are indeed far from rich.

What is the difference between Rich and Wealthy?

[Pat Vegas]

You can't tax happiness or good health. Pity ;)

But a lot of taxes go to sadness and bad health.

[Peter]

Just over 5% of tax payers in the UK earn over 70 grand.

There you go. Its irrelevant to the discussion.

[Pat Vegas]

There you go. Its irrelevant to the discussion.

It's a bit flawed though. What if you have a couple where won earns 70k and the other doesn't work.

Or a couple who both earn under 70k but combined are over? are they rich?

[Peter]

But a lot of taxes go to sadness and bad health.

Well of course. Do you want people to be sad?

[Peter]

It's a bit flawed though. What if you have a couple where won earns 70k and the other doesn't work.

Or a couple who both earn under 70k but combined are over? are they rich?

In neither circumstance are they rich. They still couldn't buy a **** house in an average area of London.

[Pat Vegas]

Well of course. Do you want people to be sad?

I am very selfish about things.

That's why I never understood the outcry NHS spending and 'WHAT ABOUT THE NURSES?' probably as I am ignorant.

Surely you know what you are getting yourself into when you sign up

[Pat Vegas]

In neither circumstance are they rich. They still couldn't buy a **** house in an average area of London.

:nod: though a moderate lifestyle with that sort of income would allow potential for some decent saving.

[Peter]

I am very selfish about things.

That's why I never understood the outcry NHS spending and 'WHAT ABOUT THE NURSES?' probably as I am ignorant.

Surely you know what you are getting yourself into when you sign up

One could make the same argument re the military but it would seem a little cold. I think the issues in the NHS tend to be about workload, hours and the strain on the system as much as about pay. I don't think most nurses appreciate how much will be asked of them when they go in.

[Peter]

:nod: though a moderate lifestyle with that sort of income would allow potential for some decent saving.

True, but that hardly sounds like riches does it.

[Pat Vegas]

One could make the same argument re the military but it would seem a little cold. I think the issues in the NHS tend to be about workload, hours and the strain on the system as much as about pay. I don't think most nurses appreciate how much will be asked of them when they go in.

When I was at school, I am not sure if it's still the same these days but joining the Army was the choice you made if you messed up your exams. Or working in a garage.

[redgunamo]

Happiness, health, inner peace.

Well said, SW. Sadly, far too many people nowadays have been conned into believing money, or indeed work, to be the be-all-and-end-all of everything.

[Pat Vegas]

Well said, SW. Sadly, far too many people nowadays have been conned into believing money, or indeed work, to be the be-all-and-end-all of everything.

for me it's just that if you have a place to live that is paid off you are in a good position in life.
That's where the main expense in life is.

[SWv2]

for me it's just that if you have a place to live that is paid off you are in a good position in life.
That's where the main expense in life is.

You are obsessed on the whole property thing, in fact on this basis you should really be Irish.

As a person that rented for close to 20 years and has owned for 13 I am still unsure which I prefer. There is obvious long-term benefits to ownership but there is 30 or more years of at times ******* aching expense to get there, and you could very well be dead by then.

[Pat Vegas]

You are obsessed on the whole property thing, in fact on this basis you should really be Irish.

As a person that rented for close to 20 years and has owned for 13 I am still unsure which I prefer. There is obvious long-term benefits to ownership but there is 30 or more years of at times ******* aching expense to get there, and you could very well be dead by then.

Unfortunately so. I have this urge to keep moving forward.
Lots of changes have happened in the past 5-6 years, want to keep that going.

[redgunamo]

When I was at school, I am not sure if it's still the same these days but joining the Army was the choice you made if you messed up your exams. Or working in a garage.

That was always #fakenews, to satisfy anti-war types. The forces has always been an excellent career choice; doctors, lawyers, management; there's allsorts in there.

I suppose it wasn't all that long ago people used to similarly sneer at professional footballers; too thick to get a proper job. But I don't think anyone's laughing at the Jack Wilsheres and Raheem Sterlings now, are they, with their millions.

[redgunamo]

for me it's just that if you have a place to live that is paid off you are in a good position in life.
That's where the main expense in life is.

Only if there's children. It makes no difference either way otherwise.

[Sir C]

Are you confusing material wealth and perceived social status with the intangible matters of life where one can truly say to be “rich”?

Happiness, health, inner peace.

You may profess in public to have loads of money and live the life of a bon viveur but given you have this week unfortunately suffered a mini-stroke (TIA, remember this) you are indeed far from rich.

I profess no such thing, sw. I live a simple life but value the essential small pleasures which seperate us from the beasts, that is all.

[Pat Vegas]

Only if there's children. It makes no difference either way otherwise.

nah I could spend that rent/mortgage money on guitars.

[Luis Anaconda]

If you ever accidentally put on channel 5 there is bound to be a benefits programme on.

They all smoke.

That would be pornographer and tax avoider Richard Desmond's Channel 5 would it?

[Sir C]

That would be pornographer and tax avoider Richard Desmond's Channel 5 would it?

And may I enquire what is wrong with pornographing and tax avoiding, la?

[redgunamo]

nah I could spend that rent/mortgage money on guitars.

There you are then; it makes no difference.

[Luis Anaconda]

And may I enquire what is wrong with pornographing and tax avoiding, la?

I made no judgement, merely a description of what he is.

His porn is rubbish though

[Pat Vegas]

I made no judgement, merely a description of what he is.

His porn is rubbish though

I remember when Channel 5 used to show those terrible movies late at night.
It usually had the same woman in them with a rubbish story.

Titles like Executive briefs.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

What utter tosh. £70,000 equates to around £4,000 per month, net. Call it £1,000 per week.

Now let's subtract essentials: Cigarettes and booze, £210 per week. Food, £200 per week.

So we're left with £590 per week to pay for motoring expenses, eating out, holidays and staff?

Fúck off. Impossible.

Obviously you can live reasonably comfortably on £70k (assuming you don't have a mortgage, naturally) but 'rich'? Absolute nonsense.

Shows how out of touch with ordinary people the left is.

You'd get taxed 55% on that over here :hehe:

:-|

[Sir C]

You'd get taxed 55% on that over here :hehe:

:-|

Someone's got to pay for all that free childcare, b.

[SWv2]

I profess no such thing, sw. I live a simple life but value the essential small pleasures which seperate us from the beasts, that is all.

Out of curiosity who was it that decided this arbitrary figure of £70k??

It does not seem a lot to me as you have correctly pointed out a few normal outgoings would eat into that quite considerably.

Moving away from the cut and thrust of debate regarding the concepts of rich v wealth, I personally would define being wealthy as being able to live the life one wanted to the very full, and at 70k I am not sure that would always be the case.

I suspect the figure was the output of some scientist of analyst **** with a massively large head, a chap (or female, who knows) who once they stepped out of the safe environs of their office or lab would struggle to find their own arse using both hands.

[Pat Vegas]

Out of curiosity who was it that decided this arbitrary figure of £70k??

It does not seem a lot to me as you have correctly pointed out a few normal outgoings would eat into that quite considerably.

Moving away from the cut and thrust of debate regarding the concepts of rich v wealth, I personally would define being wealthy as being able to live the life one wanted to the very full, and at 70k I am not sure that would always be the case.

I suspect the figure was the output of some scientist of analyst **** with a massively large head, a chap (or female, who knows) who once they stepped out of the safe environs of their office or lab would struggle to find their own arse using both hands.

Labour have decided :hehe:

I am beginning to believe they are just one big pisstake now.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

I made no judgement, merely a description of what he is.

His porn is rubbish though

Is it the porn where the tart waggles her mobile at the sad viewer ?

[Sir C]

Out of curiosity who was it that decided this arbitrary figure of £70k??

It does not seem a lot to me as you have correctly pointed out a few normal outgoings would eat into that quite considerably.

Moving away from the cut and thrust of debate regarding the concepts of rich v wealth, I personally would define being wealthy as being able to live the life one wanted to the very full, and at 70k I am not sure that would always be the case.

I suspect the figure was the output of some scientist of analyst **** with a massively large head, a chap (or female, who knows) who once they stepped out of the safe environs of their office or lab would struggle to find their own arse using both hands.

The Labour party, opening its election campaign by declaring that they will increase taxes on 'the rish'. When presse, they defined these 'rich' as those earning £70k+.

You are quite right. A decent safari holiday, for example, is going to cost you a minimum of £25k. A rich man who can't afford the holiday he would like is not, by definition, rich.

[redgunamo]

You'd get taxed 55% on that over here :hehe:

:-|

Yes, that's why you need all those immigrants, I suppose.

[Luis Anaconda]

I remember when Channel 5 used to show those terrible movies late at night.
It usually had the same woman in them with a rubbish story.

Titles like Executive briefs.
Shannon Tweed? I was working on TV listings mag when it launched, I'm sure her name cropped up a lot

[Pat Vegas]

Yes, that's why you need all those immigrants, I suppose.

I would like to introduce a new policy of capping immigrants earnings.
and possibly taxing them.

then they can stay at my Bed and Brexit hotel in Dover before they are processed and deported

[Viva Prat Vegas]

The Labour party, opening its election campaign by declaring that they will increase taxes on 'the rish'. When presse, they defined these 'rich' as those earning £70k+.

You are quite right. A decent safari holiday, for example, is going to cost you a minimum of £25k. A rich man who can't afford the holiday he would like is not, by definition, rich.

rish
presse

I think your stroke is getting worserer
:-(

[redgunamo]

Someone's got to pay for all that free childcare, b.

The irony being, of course, that no-one actually has any time to have children as they're all too busy working to pay all that tax and still afford a life :-|

[Sir C]

rish
presse

I think your stroke is getting worserer
:-(

I just had to stagger around a shop. Everyone thought I was píssed :-(

[Pat Vegas]

Shannon Tweed? I was working on TV listings mag when it launched, I'm sure her name cropped up a lot

She's Gene Simmons wife?

There was another lady with dark hair and massive Bristols. Sodd would know this sort of thing

[Pat Vegas]

rish
presse

I think your stroke is getting worserer
:-(

:hehe: or he's slowly turning chinese.

[Luis Anaconda]

She's Gene Simmons wife?

There was another lady with dark hair and massive Bristols. Sodd would know this sort of thing

My word - so she is. And yes Sodd would know - RIP Sodd

[Viva Prat Vegas]

I just had to stagger around a shop. Everyone thought I was píssed :-(

Or on Spice

[Sir C]

Or on Spice

Old Spice, perhaps.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

:hehe: or he's slowly turning chinese.

Recently I have been walking round and trying to say Chilli Sauce in a Greek accent
I have found that a pout helps make it sound authentic

[Pat Vegas]

Recently I have been walking round and trying to say Chilli Sauce in a Greek accent
I have found that a pout helps make it sound authentic

It annoys me if I have 'Italian' food in England and pronounce the items correctly the waiter doesn't know what I want.

Unless it's a proper italian restaurant and then they assume I know more and start waffling on in Italian and I have to stop them.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

It annoys me if I have 'Italian' food in England and pronounce the items correctly the waiter doesn't know what I want.
:hehe:
Waiter : Funghi ?
Pat : Pizza alla funguy
Waiter : Ahh Si si

[Rich]

Someone's got to pay for all that free childcare, b.

And let's not forget that all of the Allans need a nice warm bed.

[Ash]

roll ups are not nice. :-(

Opinion.

Economic necessity drove me to rollups 30 years ago and it wasn't long before I preferred them to cigs, which to me now mainly taste of the chemical fuses in them to keep them burning.

[Ash]

Happiness, health, inner peace.


Good man.

There's much to be said for being able to enjoy the Bare Necessities of Life.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.V02HPcbPzDc7npxFtc2EaACpEs&pid=15.1

[Pat Vegas]

Opinion.

Economic necessity drove me to rollups 30 years ago and it wasn't long before I preferred them to cigs, which to me now mainly taste of the chemical fuses in them to keep them burning.

I did my chest in and made my fingers dirty and smelly.
I am sure I would have got used to them.

[Ash]

In neither circumstance are they rich. They still couldn't buy a **** house in an average area of London.

Exactly. Really stoopid to call a 70k-incomer rich for this simple reason.

[Peter]

Opinion.

Economic necessity drove me to rollups 30 years ago and it wasn't long before I preferred them to cigs, which to me now mainly taste of the chemical fuses in them to keep them burning.

Right on, brother.

[Peter]

I did my chest in and made my fingers dirty and smelly.
I am sure I would have got used to them.

Good filters, the slimmer the better, and the right tobacco resolves this. I got used to them in a couple of days and fags now taste of **** to me.

[SWv2]

Good filters, the slimmer the better, and the right tobacco resolves this. I got used to them in a couple of days and fags now taste of **** to me.

You look like a rolly smoker all the same.

[AFC East]

What utter tosh. £70,000 equates to around £4,000 per month, net. Call it £1,000 per week.

Now let's subtract essentials: Cigarettes and booze, £210 per week. Food, £200 per week.

So we're left with £590 per week to pay for motoring expenses, eating out, holidays and staff?

Fúck off. Impossible.

Obviously you can live reasonably comfortably on £70k (assuming you don't have a mortgage, naturally) but 'rich'? Absolute nonsense.

Shows how out of touch with ordinary people the left is.

So it's the top 5%. Surprisingly low value. I'd have figured that at over £100k. I'd happily pay more tax if I thought it would do any good, but I'd imagine they'll just piss it up the wall anyway.

[Sir C]

Whose definition is it?

John McDonell.

[Peter]

You look like a rolly smoker all the same.

You mean I look poor?

[World's End Stella]

She's Gene Simmons wife?

There was another lady with dark hair and massive Bristols. Sodd would know this sort of thing

She happens to be Canadian, doncha know. Was a Playboy Playmate when I was a young man in university.

Bit of Canadian porn trivia for you chaps there.

[World's End Stella]

You mean I look poor?

Yes, when I met you, you did. You also looked like a hippy deviant as well.

No offence, of course. :-)

[World's End Stella]

After tax that would get you one year at a good boarding school.

Sadly :-(

[Peter]

Yes, when I met you, you did. You also looked like a hippy deviant as well.

No offence, of course. :-)

Guilty on both charges :)

[Luis Anaconda]

She happens to be Canadian, doncha know. Was a Playboy Playmate when I was a young man in university.

Bit of Canadian porn trivia for you chaps there.
Top top trivia indeed

[Pat Vegas]

Top top trivia indeed

:nod: I didn't know Wes was a playboy playmate.

[taxman10]

Average salary in the U.K. is something like 25k so using that as a basis 70k is probably not totally illogical being almost 3 times the average

As your earnings increase so do your outgoings, bigger house, nicer car, nicer holidays. You need to get over 500k to really feel flush, anything over that just goes into the pot for the supercar collection

[barrybueno]

Average salary in the U.K. is something like 25k so using that as a basis 70k is probably not totally illogical being almost 3 times the average

As your earnings increase so do your outgoings, bigger house, nicer car, nicer holidays. You need to get over 500k to really feel flush, anything over that just goes into the pot for the supercar collection

you scare me taxman, fancy a pint? I like to have ****z like you onside ;-)

[taxman10]

Lol. Probably worth pointing out I don't work for hmrc. The civil service never appealed to me