Only two more months of Jeremy Corbyn :-(

[Monty92]

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[Billy Goat Sverige]

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Even if they get a credible replacement they'll have to reverse the sort of majority that will take at least two elections to overturn. They've really ****ed themselves over.

[Sir C]

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But remember, after they've been reduced to 100 seats, Momentum will declare that they lost because they were too centrist, and put in a really left wing leader. :hehe:

[Burney]

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Yes. A real shame, that. He's really made politics so much funnier.

[Burney]

But remember, after they've been reduced to 100 seats, Momentum will declare that they lost because they were too centrist, and put in a really left wing leader. :hehe:

They're already turning on each other savagely before campaigning's even begun. This could be one of the weirdest election campaigns ever.

[Monty92]

Yes. A real shame, that. He's really made politics so much funnier.

Do you think they'll go hard on the IRA and general terrorist sympathising stuff during the campaign, or will they be cautious about such tactics after the damage it did to Goldsmith when he tried it with Khan?

[SWv2]

They're already turning on each other savagely before campaigning's even begun. This could be one of the weirdest election campaigns ever.

Is it utterly impossible that he / they may do okay??

[Pat Vegas]

Is it utterly impossible that he / they may do okay??

Well the anti brexit types are quite shouty. so perhaps they will. As previous 'polls' in recent times have been very wrong.

[Sir C]

Is it utterly impossible that he / they may do okay??

Utterly. And that's before the Tories even open the filing cabinet rammed with IRA/Hamas/Commie stories. They might not even bother.

[SWv2]

Well the anti brexit types are quite shouty. so perhaps they will. As previous 'polls' in recent times have been very wrong.

Well quite, I am curious as to how the vehement anti-Brexit people will go, and there is quite a lot of them.

Is it impossible that they see the whole thing as a Tory made mess and vote accordingly.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

Is it utterly impossible that he / they may do okay??

Most polls show a 20% lead. Now while polls haven't been completely accurate of late they're not that inaccurate.

[Pat Vegas]

Well quite, I am curious as to how the vehement anti-Brexit people will go, and there is quite a lot of them.

Is it impossible that they see the whole thing as a Tory made mess and vote accordingly.

I wouldn't be surprised.

However will UKIP voters still vote UKIP? they had 12% of seats last time.

There are a lot of fed up labour supporters too so I don't know where they will vote.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

Well quite, I am curious as to how the vehement anti-Brexit people will go, and there is quite a lot of them.

Is it impossible that they see the whole thing as a Tory made mess and vote accordingly.

Not as simple as that though. There's people for and against brexit in both camps. IMO tt's far more likely a pro-brexit labour voter would switch to the tories than a anti-brexit tory voter moving to Corbyn's labour or the lib dems.

[Luis Anaconda]

Not as simple as that though. There's people for and against brexit in both camps. IMO tt's far more likely a pro-brexit labour voter would switch to the tories than a anti-brexit tory voter moving to Corbyn's labour or the lib dems.
Given Corbyn's abysmal performance during the referendum and since (doesn't even mention Brexit in his statement just now ffs) no one anti-Brexit would vote for that joker

[Burney]

Do you think they'll go hard on the IRA and general terrorist sympathising stuff during the campaign, or will they be cautious about such tactics after the damage it did to Goldsmith when he tried it with Khan?

I don't know that it'll be necessary. Unless he performs unexpectedly well, he'll hang himself without them having to do anything.

[SWv2]

Given Corbyn's abysmal performance during the referendum and since (doesn't even mention Brexit in his statement just now ffs) no one anti-Brexit would vote for that joker

Poor Jorge, so quickly forgotten.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

Malcolm Rifkind says it will be like Michael Foot only worse
:hehe:

[Burney]

Poor Jorge, so quickly forgotten.

You also have to appreciate that an awful lot of Labour supporters want Corbyn gone at any cost and may see voting tactically (or not at all) as a means to that end.

As to Brexit, it doesn't split on Party lines. Labour's traditional base is pro-Brexit, while many of the LibDems' traditional heartlands in the southwest are pro-Brexit and won't respond well to an anti-Brexit message and thus will probably stay Tory. The LibDems may pick up seats in urban areas, but that is most likely to be at the expense of Labour rather than the tories. Meanwhile, the tories have the most disciplined and homogenous party and voter base, meaning they should romp home.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

You also have to appreciate that an awful lot of Labour supporters want Corbyn gone at any cost and may see voting tactically (or not at all) as a means to that end.

As to Brexit, it doesn't split on Party lines. Labour's traditional base is pro-Brexit, while many of the LibDems' traditional heartlands in the southwest are pro-Brexit and won't respond well to an anti-Brexit message and thus will probably stay Tory. The LibDems may pick up seats in urban areas, but that is most likely to be at the expense of Labour rather than the tories. Meanwhile, the tories have the most disciplined and homogenous party and voter base, meaning they should romp home.

There's also 4 million UKIP voters likely to vote Tory this time around.

[SWv2]

You also have to appreciate that an awful lot of Labour supporters want Corbyn gone at any cost and may see voting tactically (or not at all) as a means to that end.

As to Brexit, it doesn't split on Party lines. Labour's traditional base is pro-Brexit, while many of the LibDems' traditional heartlands in the southwest are pro-Brexit and won't respond well to an anti-Brexit message and thus will probably stay Tory. The LibDems may pick up seats in urban areas, but that is most likely to be at the expense of Labour rather than the tories. Meanwhile, the tories have the most disciplined and homogenous party and voter base, meaning they should romp home.

I cannot pretend to understand politics. I simply see every one of them as being liars and treat them all with equal disdain.

[Burney]

There's also 4 million UKIP voters likely to vote Tory this time around.

Well few if any of them will vote for a Corbyn-led Labour party - despite many being traditional Labour voters.

The fact is that, whatever else happens, Labour is almightily fùcked.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

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I bet Corbyn is busy writing his victory speech :hehe:

[Burney]

I bet Corbyn is busy writing his victory speech :hehe:

The funniest thing is if Corbyn and the left try to hang on after a devastating electoral defeat. That could be hilarious.

[Luis Anaconda]

The funniest thing is if Corbyn and the left try to hang on after a devastating electoral defeat. That could be hilarious.

He may well do - the constant carping that it is the destructive Blairists who are causing all their problems show no signs of abating and it's clear who will be to blame when they are hammered

[Burney]

He may well do - the constant carping that it is the destructive Blairists who are causing all their problems show no signs of abating and it's clear who will be to blame when they are hammered

The problem is that many of those Blairists will have lost their seats and thus leave the left in total control of the Party. At which point, I'd have thought a split would be inevitable.

[AFC East]

I cannot pretend to understand politics. I simply see every one of them as being liars and treat them all with equal disdain.

It's why I've never voted.

[World's End Stella]

Do we know what the Lib Dems plan on doing re Brexit as part of their campaign? Campaign as a Remain party, commit to a new referendum prior or post the negotiations? Something else?

If the Lib Dems manage to find a sensible Remain platform I would not discount them draining the Tories (and Labour) of a large number of votes.

[SWv2]

Do we know what the Lib Dems plan on doing re Brexit as part of their campaign? Campaign as a Remain party, commit to a new referendum prior or post the negotiations? Something else?

If the Lib Dems manage to find a sensible Remain platform I would not discount them draining the Tories (and Labour) of a large number of votes.

Can you back out (in the event of a new referendum) now that the process has officially begun?

[World's End Stella]

Can you back out (in the event of a new referendum) now that the process has officially begun?

I would have thought so, the EU would jump at the chance, I think.

[Peter]

They're already turning on each other savagely before campaigning's even begun. This could be one of the weirdest election campaigns ever.

I can confidently predict that Labour will mount the most hilarious, catastrophic election campaign since the infamous 'longest suicide note' campaign of 1983. You are going to love it.

So am I. Getting rid of Corbyn three years earlier than expected is a nice bonus from our generous PM. A minor tactical gamble which could backfire. THe last thing she needs over the next two years is effective opposition and that is the last thing she has at the moment.

[Peter]

The problem is that many of those Blairists will have lost their seats and thus leave the left in total control of the Party. At which point, I'd have thought a split would be inevitable.

The Party has faced this repeatedly over the years. The response is always to run back to the centre ground.

Whoever takes over is basically facing the Kinnock years.... structural change that destroys your own leadership but starts the work for the next guy.

[Peter]

Well few if any of them will vote for a Corbyn-led Labour party - despite many being traditional Labour voters.

The fact is that, whatever else happens, Labour is almightily fùcked.

Very tough election to predict in terms of behaviour and spread. Obviously the outcome (a Conservative landslide) is easier to predict.

[Peter]

Most polls show a 20% lead. Now while polls haven't been completely accurate of late they're not that inaccurate.

Wait until Corbyn starts campaigning. That 20% lead will be extended in no time.

[Burney]

The Party has faced this repeatedly over the years. The response is always to run back to the centre ground.

Whoever takes over is basically facing the Kinnock years.... structural change that destroys your own leadership but starts the work for the next guy.

Does that not assume that Corbyn and the left will definitely step aside? Could you not end up with them dog-in-the-mangering? They know they'll never get another chance to control the Labour Party (and that, it would appear, is what matters most to them) - I wonder if they'll let it go that easily?

[Peter]

Does that not assume that Corbyn and the left will definitely step aside? Could you not end up with them dog-in-the-mangering? They know they'll never get another chance to control the Labour Party (and that, it would appear, is what matters most to them) - I wonder if they'll let it go that easily?

Not easily, but a catastrophic election result does wonders for a party rethink. Corbyn's position will be completely untenable. The first thing to go has to be the ridiculous system for electing the leader. All this has to happen but the election will bring it fward

[Burney]

Not easily, but a catastrophic election result does wonders for a party rethink. Corbyn's position will be completely untenable. The first thing to go has to be the ridiculous system for electing the leader. All this has to happen but the election will bring it fward

But Corbyn's position has been pretty much untenable for over a year now. And he's still leader because there are enough lunatics out there who are Labour members who'll keep him in place. I have a distinct feeling that merely leading Labour into its most catastrophic election defeat since 1935 won't be enough to stop them voting for him. They'll believe that this sort of 'purge' will be a good thing.

Never underestimate just what raving fûcking madmen these people are, p.

[Peter]

But Corbyn's position has been pretty much untenable for over a year now. And he's still leader because there are enough lunatics out there who are Labour members who'll keep him in place. I have a distinct feeling that merely leading Labour into its most catastrophic election defeat since 1935 won't be enough to stop them voting for him. They'll believe that this sort of 'purge' will be a good thing.

Never underestimate just what raving fûcking madmen these people are, p.

They also get bored very easily and very quickly. I am not saying it will happen overnight but an early election will hasten the process. There is pretty much no party organisation on the ground in around 50% of the country and none of those people are coming back until that tosser is gone. This will be the first election in 40 years that my mum hasn't been part of.