Hang abouts! If we win our two games in hand on Liverpool we're back in the top four

[Monty92]

I thought we were unmitigated gash?

[Pat Vegas]

I thought we were unmitigated gash?

Not necessarily, we can still be 5th on goal difference if City win their game in Hand.

[redgunamo]

I thought we were unmitigated gash?

You need to learn to give your team more credit then, imo. Not just your mum.

[Pat Vegas]

You need to learn to give your team more credit then, imo. Not just your mum.

I like that now that top 4 finish is the solution to everything.

[Sir C]

I thought we were unmitigated gash?

If we don't win our two games in hand we won't, though.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

I thought we were unmitigated gash?

Well no. The discussion has been more about how the team continues to have the same failings. Top 4 is irrelevant.

[Luis Anaconda]

I thought we were unmitigated gash?

Seriously, surely even you get bored with posts like this

[Pat Vegas]

Seriously, surely even you get bored with posts like this

I have this image in my head of Monty masturbating furiously as he post these types of threads.

Back in 5

[Luis Anaconda]

I have this image in my head of Monty masturbating furiously as he post these types of threads.

Back in 5

:hehe: I feel slightly queasy now

[redgunamo]

I like that now that top 4 finish is the solution to everything.

:nod: Rather than a means to an end, it has become an end in itself.

[Monty92]

I have this image in my head of Monty masturbating furiously as he post these types of threads.

Back in 5

Which is why I laugh in the face of my girlfriend when she tells me I can't multi-task.

[redgunamo]

Well no. The discussion has been more about how the team continues to have the same failings. Top 4 is irrelevant.

Right. The top four was meant to be a base camp from which we would mount an assault on the title. Sadly, inevitably, talk of financial issues has overshadowed all that, even though it was never just about the money; there was also the development of our young players, the improvement of the squad as a whole and all the invaluable experience we'd gain of regularly winning the Top Four cup and so on.

Actually, even ill-advised, genius ideas like refusing to join Manchester United and Chelsea in spending our Summers globetrotting for cash seem an awfully long time ago now, don't they :-\

[Burney]

I thought we were unmitigated gash?

I believe that is known as the tyranny of low expectations.

[Rich]

Not necessarily, we can still be 5th on goal difference if City win their game in Hand.

I wish Arsene would just tell us what he is planning to do. Then we can either focus on getting behind him and his re-build of the squard or look forward to times of change.

Maybe it's because the board are having doubts, who knows.

[redgunamo]

If we don't win our two games in hand we won't, though.

The important thing is the team responded very well to the setbacks we've suffered lately. And the supporters at the ground too actually. If we were sitting pretty in the top four right now, things would be getting ugly, imo. Or more ugly.

[Monty92]

I believe that is known as the tyranny of low expectations.

No, our expectations are to have a manager as reliably good as Mourinho, Klopp or Guardiola.

Oh.

[redgunamo]

I believe that is known as the tyranny of low expectations.

Soft bigotry, wasn't it? Darkies and all that? POTUS41?

[Burney]

Soft bigotry, wasn't it? Darkies and all that? POTUS41?

That's certainly the earliest use of the term, but tyranny is also used and works better in this context.

[redgunamo]

No, our expectations are to have a manager as reliably good as Mourinho, Klopp or Guardiola.

Oh.

Yeah, since we last won anything decent, there's about a dozen titles and a few European Cups in that little lot :-|

[Sir C]

That's certainly the earliest use of the term, but tyranny is also used and works better in this context.

"cruel and oppressive government or rule."

Seems a little extreme.

[Burney]

No, our expectations are to have a manager as reliably good as Mourinho, Klopp or Guardiola.

Oh.

I'm referring to the fact that you appear to be crowing about the possibility of us - maybe, if everything goes to plan - scraping into the top four. That's not a good look. :-(

[Burney]

"cruel and oppressive government or rule."

Seems a little extreme.

What could be more cruel and oppressive than the acceptance that one may only aspire to mediocrity?

[redgunamo]

"cruel and oppressive government or rule."

Seems a little extreme.

Yes, on balance, I'd prefer to be a soft bigot.

[Luis Anaconda]

I believe that is known as the tyranny of low expectations.

As opposed to having to do Dickens for A level which is presumably the tyranny of Great Expectations

[Sir C]

What could be more cruel and oppressive than the acceptance that one may only aspire to mediocrity?

I thought we were talking about football, though. There's nothing cruel or oppressive about football. It is a leisure activity.

This current appetite for wailing, gnashing hyperbole is reducing all discussion to, well, nonsense.

[redgunamo]

What could be more cruel and oppressive than the acceptance that one may only aspire to mediocrity?

Hardly anybody thinks of it that way though, as for 99% of the planet, throughout history, achieving mediocrity represents a triumph.

And I don't mean that old two-seater Stag chunk of scrap my old man loves so much.

[redgunamo]

As opposed to having to do Dickens for A level which is presumably the tyranny of Great Expectations

Very good. And Squadron certainly enjoyed a Christmas Carroll last night. Anyway, he had him trussed and bound like a turkey.

[redgunamo]

I thought we were talking about football, though. There's nothing cruel or oppressive about football. It is a leisure activity.

This current appetite for wailing, gnashing hyperbole is reducing all discussion to, well, nonsense.

No, sticks and stones and a' that. It's just words and pictures, innit.

[World's End Stella]

No, our expectations are to have a manager as reliably good as Mourinho, Klopp or Guardiola.

Oh.

No, I think our expectations are to have a manager who will leverage the financial power of the club, and any other means at his disposal, in order to try and win trophies.

The view of many, for very good reasons imo, is that Arsene Wenger is no longer such a manager.

[Burney]

I thought we were talking about football, though. There's nothing cruel or oppressive about football. It is a leisure activity.

This current appetite for wailing, gnashing hyperbole is reducing all discussion to, well, nonsense.

Who is wailing or hyperbolising? I'm well aware it's just football, but am equally aware that clinging to a vague hope of scraping into the top four at this stage of the season represents failure by the standards that Arsenal Football Club and Arsene Wenger have defined for themselves and thus is nowt for Monty to be getting a chubby about.

[The Insider]

Yeah, since we last won anything decent, there's about a dozen titles and a few European Cups in that little lot :-|

1. I may be just an old fart, but I class the FA Cup as significant.
2. We are always **** mid-decade - 50s, 60s, 70s, 80, 90s - even 00s after 2004
3. Guardiola won everything at Barca (Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Neymar etc.) and the League at Bayern - my dead gran could have won these
4. Mourinho has been utter **** for quite a few years now. His last term at Chelsea and current one at United are utterly shameful given his experience and resources
5. What has Klopp won? And what a **** up his brave new dawn at the Scouse dogs has become.
6. Even Poche****to has admitted that a top four finish is the same as winning a trophy anywhere else in Europe.

I could go on, but I am boring myself. Suffice to say, we will miss him when he is gone.

:titles:

[Rich]

I thought we were talking about football, though. There's nothing cruel or oppressive about football. It is a leisure activity.

This current appetite for wailing, gnashing hyperbole is reducing all discussion to, well, nonsense.

I enjoyed Arsene's comments on the people protesting outside the training ground. Essentially 'I wish I could waste my day like that'. Imagine the mouth foaming from the protesters on reading that.

Also, Per donated money to the Mesut Ozil Missing Person Fund :-(

[Sir C]

Who is wailing or hyperbolising? I'm well aware it's just football, but am equally aware that clinging to a vague hope of scraping into the top four at this stage of the season represents failure by the standards that Arsenal Football Club and Arsene Wenger have defined for themselves and thus is nowt for Monty to be getting a chubby about.

Yes, but there's nothing tyrannical about it.

[Monty92]

I'm referring to the fact that you appear to be crowing about the possibility of us - maybe, if everything goes to plan - scraping into the top four. That's not a good look. :-(

I am not crowing about that, though there is reason to crow.

[Rich]

No, I think our expectations are to have a manager who will leverage the financial power of the club, and any other means at his disposal, in order to try and win trophies.

The view of many, for very good reasons imo, is that Arsene Wenger is no longer such a manager.

But we don't know about the club's financial model.

[Luis Anaconda]

Very good. And Squadron certainly enjoyed a Christmas Carroll last night. Anyway, he had him trussed and bound like a turkey.
I expect Carroll's was a Bleak House last night. Hard Times, indeed

[Burney]

Yes, but there's nothing tyrannical about it.

The tyranny is what you might call your actual metaphor, though.

[redgunamo]

1. I may be just an old fart, but I class the FA Cup as significant.
2. We are always **** mid-decade - 50s, 60s, 70s, 80, 90s - even 00s after 2004
3. Guardiola won everything at Barca (Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Neymar etc.) and the League at Bayern - my dead gran could have won these
4. Mourinho has been utter **** for quite a few years now. His last term at Chelsea and current one at United are utterly shameful given his experience and resources
5. What has Klopp won? And what a **** up his brave new dawn at the Scouse dogs has become.
6. Even Poche****to has admitted that a top four finish is the same as winning a trophy anywhere else in Europe.

I could go on, but I am boring myself. Suffice to say, we will miss him when he is gone.

:titles:

Seen. It's only within the context of this ongoing discussion that the Cup doesn't count.

[Sir C]

The tyranny is what you might call your actual metaphor, though.

I appreciate that, of course.

Perhaps I should tweet about it, or, as we now know it, 'unleash a twitterstorm'.

[Burney]

I am not crowing about that, though there is reason to crow.

Why is there reason to crow? And please don't say because we may not be quite as bad as some have made out. :-(

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

I have this image in my head of Monty masturbating furiously as he post these types of threads.

Back in 5

Do you suppose he can touch his own skinless pecker with the tip of his nose?

[Monty92]

Why is there reason to crow? And please don't say because we may not be quite as bad as some have made out. :-(

Because we have a chance to finish in the top four for the 22nd season in a row. This is an undeniably commendable thing that few other cubs can match :shrug:

[Burney]

I appreciate that, of course.

Perhaps I should tweet about it, or, as we now know it, 'unleash a twitterstorm'.

Perhaps so. Maybe then you could end up having to retire from twitter because you're being trolled like Owen Jones?

[The Insider]

Seen. It's only within the context of this ongoing discussion that the Cup doesn't count.

I beg to differ! It is acutely relevant to this discussion.

There are five 'major' trophies up for grabs each season: UCL, EPL, FAC, UEL and FLC - in that order of importance.

In the last three years We have won two and so have United, Liverpool and Spuds have won **** all. Only The two mega bucks boys have won more than us and we have also qualified for the UCL each year which only City have have also done. We are definitely not in the halycon days of the early Wenger Years, but it aint that ****!

:titles:

[Sir C]

No, I think our expectations are to have a manager who will leverage the financial power of the club, and any other means at his disposal, in order to try and win trophies.

The view of many, for very good reasons imo, is that Arsene Wenger is no longer such a manager.

Did you go to Barrafina last nght?

[Burney]

Because we have a chance to finish in the top four for the 22nd season in a row. This is an undeniably commendable thing that few other cubs can match :shrug:

But - other than in a long-term historical sense - it doesn't represent progress, does it? Indeed, over the course of Wenger's career, it represents the reverse. Clinging onto top four 'status' by our fingernails would hardly be a cause for celebration - that's what we were doing a few seasons ago when we were skint. :shrug:

[redgunamo]

But we don't know about the club's financial model.

I reckon we do, after last season :-|

[Sir C]

Perhaps so. Maybe then you could end up having to retire from twitter because you're being trolled like Owen Jones?

Yes, I could retire because of the violence inflicted on me by the words of twitter trolls, only to magically reappear, refreshed and convalesced, 12 hours later :clap:

[redgunamo]

Do you suppose he can touch his own skinless pecker with the tip of his nose?

I sometimes wonder if he can actually do anything else. Obviously I don't wonder about this very often.

No, not very often at all.

[Luis Anaconda]

But - other than in a long-term historical sense - it doesn't represent progress, does it? Indeed, over the course of Wenger's career, it represents the reverse. Clinging onto top four 'status' by our fingernails would hardly be a cause for celebration - that's what we were doing a few seasons ago when we were skint. :shrug:

You can compare it to something like Coventry's run in the First Division/Premier League. Only Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal played in the top flight for everyone of the 34 seasons that they did. Hugely impressive but basically they were just hanging on for years and when they did go down, they were ****ed

[Monty92]

But - other than in a long-term historical sense - it doesn't represent progress, does it? Indeed, over the course of Wenger's career, it represents the reverse. Clinging onto top four 'status' by our fingernails would hardly be a cause for celebration - that's what we were doing a few seasons ago when we were skint. :shrug:

Yes, you are right. We have not achieved what we could all progress in recent years. But progress would require us to improve from an already commendable level of achievement and consistency, which is certainly something to celebrate (albeit not with an open top bus parade).

[Burney]

You can compare it to something like Coventry's run in the First Division/Premier League. Only Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal played in the top flight for everyone of the 34 seasons that they did. Hugely impressive but basically they were just hanging on for years and when they did go down, they were ****ed

Yes, I sometimes get a bit sad about poor old Coventry's plight. But then I remember that David Burrows played for them and I get over it.

[redgunamo]

I beg to differ! It is acutely relevant to this discussion.

There are five 'major' trophies up for grabs each season: UCL, EPL, FAC, UEL and FLC - in that order of importance.

In the last three years We have won two and so have United, Liverpool and Spuds have won **** all. Only The two mega bucks boys have won more than us and we have also qualified for the UCL each year which only City have have also done. We are definitely not in the halycon days of the early Wenger Years, but it aint that ****!

:titles:

I agree. The "everything is rubbish" schtick is just Monty being a drama queen. Nobody is saying that at all, not even him.

The discussion is, we want to be better, we are not yet where we want to be; is Wenger still the man to get us there.

Nobody imagined we'd need players from Real Madrid and Barcelona just so we could win a few more FA cups.

[Luis Anaconda]

Yes, I sometimes get a bit sad about poor old Coventry's plight. But then I remember that David Burrows played for them and I get over it.

Christ, I had forgotten about David Burrows - what a ****

[Burney]

Yes, you are right. We have not achieved what we could all progress in recent years. But progress would require us to improve from an already commendable level of achievement and consistency, which is certainly something to celebrate (albeit not with an open top bus parade).

But is that not our minimum expectation now? And equally, does that not mean that you are tacitly accepting that, should we fail to achieve it, some very serious questions need to be asked about the management of the team?

[Sir C]

But is that not our minimum expectation now? And equally, does that not mean that you are tacitly accepting that, should we fail to achieve it, some very serious questions need to be asked about the management of the team?

Must we have 'minimum expectations' and 'ask serious questions', though? It all sounds terribly dramatic.

It is, after all, a game.

[redgunamo]

Yes, you are right. We have not achieved what we could all progress in recent years. But progress would require us to improve from an already commendable level of achievement and consistency, which is certainly something to celebrate (albeit not with an open top bus parade).

That's an interesting point; perhaps if Wenger had insisted on open-topped bus parades whenever we qualified for the Champions League, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Burney]

Christ, I had forgotten about David Burrows - what a ****

:hehe: I used to have to run a conference at the Ricoh Arena. This took place in what was laughingly called 'The Legends Lounge', which was lined with pictures of Coventry...errr...'greats'. This meant speaking from the lectern, one had a bloody great picture of Burrows in one's line of sight. :-(

[Luis Anaconda]

:hehe: I used to have to run a conference at the Ricoh Arena. This took place in what was laughingly called 'The Legends Lounge', which was lined with pictures of Coventry...errr...'greats'. This meant speaking from the lectern, one had a bloody great picture of Burrows in one's line of sight. :-(

Was there one of Micky Gynn - I liked Micky Gynn. Tiny wee fella. As opposed to Mickey Quinn - fat tosser

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

I sometimes wonder if he can actually do anything else. Obviously I don't wonder about this very often.

No, not very often at all.

I should think if he ever engages in a little soixante-neuf with his GLW, the tip of his outrageously large olfactory organ penetrates her back passage. Whether she finds this edifying or not is a perfectly valid subject for idle speculation methinks.

[redgunamo]

Must we have 'minimum expectations' and 'ask serious questions', though? It all sounds terribly dramatic.

It is, after all, a game.

Certainly people prefer to see their team win the league. There's nothing wrong with that, imo.

[Burney]

Must we have 'minimum expectations' and 'ask serious questions', though? It all sounds terribly dramatic.

It is, after all, a game.

Well you say it's just a game, but it's also a business, isn't it? It employs a bunch of people whose incomes and even jobs may be threatened should it start to enter a period of serious decline. So we may think 'It's just a game', but the people who run the club may not.

[Burney]

Was there one of Micky Gynn - I liked Micky Gynn. Tiny wee fella. As opposed to Mickey Quinn - fat tosser

There was certainly one of Quinn. Gynn, I'm not sure about.

[Sir C]

Well you say it's just a game, but it's also a business, isn't it? It employs a bunch of people whose incomes and even jobs may be threatened should it start to enter a period of serious decline. So we may think 'It's just a game', but the people who run the club may not.

Well, quite. For the shareholders it is a serious matter and they are entitled to ask whatever questions they deem appropriate.

The rest of us are just watching a bunch of lads kick an inflated sphere about. It's nothing to get excited about.

I'm wearing my pragmatic head today.

[Ash]

No, I think our expectations are to have a manager who will leverage the financial power of the club, and any other means at his disposal, in order to try and win trophies.

The view of many, for very good reasons imo, is that Arsene Wenger is no longer such a manager.

Leverage. :redcard:

Get off. Get off the fùcking pitch now WES. There's no excuse for that kind of behaviour.

[Burney]

Well, quite. For the shareholders it is a serious matter and they are entitled to ask whatever questions they deem appropriate.

The rest of us are just watching a bunch of lads kick an inflated sphere about. It's nothing to get excited about.

I'm wearing my pragmatic head today.

Oh, I agree. As you know, I'm even less likely than you to get myself excited about it. However, I just felt Monty's tone a tad misplaced and felt the need to pull him up on it.

Is it Decline and Fall again tonight? It's on at the same time as the Saxon violence thing, I think.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

I thought we were unmitigated gash?


Your mum is unmitigated gash

[Burney]

Leverage. :redcard:

Get off. Get off the fùcking pitch now WES. There's no excuse for that kind of behaviour.

You know he pronounced it to rhyme with Dame Edna Everage as well. :-(

[Burney]

Your mum is unmitigated gash

:hehe: Played.

[Ash]

Very good. And Squadron certainly enjoyed a Christmas Carroll last night. Anyway, he had him trussed and bound like a turkey.

We think times are bad for us, but over at the Taxpayers' Bowl it's definitely a Bleak House.

[SWv2]

Well no. The discussion has been more about how the team continues to have the same failings. Top 4 is irrelevant.

POTY young man, I congratulate you. A succinct summation of events given without hyperbole nor bias.

:clap:

[Sir C]

Oh, I agree. As you know, I'm even less likely than you to get myself excited about it. However, I just felt Monty's tone a tad misplaced and felt the need to pull him up on it.

Is it Decline and Fall again tonight? It's on at the same time as the Saxon violence thing, I think.

I'm not sure, I've got it set to record. glw out tonight, so I need to decide which lump of meat I'm going to experiment with. So far I have Komadoed a leg of lamb (slow roast with smoke) and some fat rib-eyes (seared then finished over indirect heat.) Both results have been marvellous. (The steaks might have benefitted from 30 seconds less cooking.) Perhaps I should try some pigflesh.

[SWv2]

No, our expectations are to have a manager as reliably good as Mourinho, Klopp or Guardiola.

Oh.

Christ alive, you really are an actual headwanding spastic with potentially less football knowledge than even Rich.

Just stand back and have a read of your input above.

You utter fúcking dick.

[Burney]

We think times are bad for us, but over at the Taxpayers' Bowl it's definitely a Bleak House.

Sure everyone would cheer if they go down?

[Luis Anaconda]

I'm not sure, I've got it set to record. glw out tonight, so I need to decide which lump of meat I'm going to experiment with. So far I have Komadoed a leg of lamb (slow roast with smoke) and some fat rib-eyes (seared then finished over indirect heat.) Both results have been marvellous. (The steaks might have benefitted from 30 seconds less cooking.) Perhaps I should try some pigflesh.
It's on Friday nights I think. Finally saw the second half of episode one last night. Quite superb

[Ash]

I thought we were talking about football, though. There's nothing cruel or oppressive about football. It is a leisure activity.

This current appetite for wailing, gnashing hyperbole is reducing all discussion to, well, nonsense.

As AWIMB conclusively proved in a lengthy discussion the other week, it's more than a business or leisure activity. Passion. Pwide. Love.

And getting mad and letting off steam is what football was invented for anyway. As an outlet for 19th century workers forced into grinding poverty having had not only their surplus value but their very lives and souls sucked out of them by unrestrained, vampiric capitalism. Great days.

[Burney]

It's on Friday nights I think. Finally saw the second half of episode one last night. Quite superb

Isn't it, though? I'm very pleasantly surprised by how good Jack Whitehall is, I must admit. Well first I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't feel my usual strong urge to strike him and then was impressed by his acting.

[Burney]

Christ alive, you really are an actual headwanding spastic with potentially less football knowledge than even Rich.

Just stand back and have a read of your input above.

You utter fúcking dick.

I really think there's no need for this sort of abuse, sw. Can we not all behave as gentlemen? :shrug:

[redgunamo]

Well, quite. For the shareholders it is a serious matter and they are entitled to ask whatever questions they deem appropriate.

The rest of us are just watching a bunch of lads kick an inflated sphere about. It's nothing to get excited about.

I'm wearing my pragmatic head today.

It's each to their own, innit. You like television; is that not just a game, a play?

[Monty92]

But is that not our minimum expectation now? And equally, does that not mean that you are tacitly accepting that, should we fail to achieve it, some very serious questions need to be asked about the management of the team?

I don't think supporter expectation should matter in an ideal world.

I think those questions would be asked by the incumbent himself, who is likely to be best placed to ask and answer them (while has has the desire to do so) given he knows the club and his players better than anyone on earth.

[Ash]

I expect Carroll's was a Bleak House last night. Hard Times, indeed

I have been :noah:ed This is why it is important to read the whole thread before replying.

[Sir C]

As AWIMB conclusively proved in a lengthy discussion the other week, it's more than a business or leisure activity. Passion. Pwide. Love.

And getting mad and letting off steam is what football was invented for anyway. As an outlet for 19th century workers forced into grinding poverty having had not only their surplus value but their very lives and souls sucked out of them by unrestrained, vampiric capitalism. Great days.

Now that was a system that worked, a. Until the bleeding-heart liberals got their way and destroyed the comptitiveness of our manufacturing base and gave away our empire.

Look what we're left with now. A shítshow governed by wimps like Cameron and May and a opposition with a distaste for jews and those who labour.

It's a poor outlook, and no mistake.

[Sir C]

I really think there's no need for this sort of abuse, sw. Can we not all behave as gentlemen? :shrug:

:hehe: You see your error here, no?

[SWv2]

Now that was a system that worked, a. Until the bleeding-heart liberals got their way and destroyed the comptitiveness of our manufacturing base and gave away our empire.

Look what we're left with now. A shítshow governed by wimps like Cameron and May and a opposition with a distaste for jews and those who labour.

It's a poor outlook, and no mistake.

I thought you were a fan of Cameron?

[redgunamo]

As AWIMB conclusively proved in a lengthy discussion the other week, it's more than a business or leisure activity. Passion. Pwide. Love.

And getting mad and letting off steam is what football was invented for anyway. As an outlet for 19th century workers forced into grinding poverty having had not only their surplus value but their very lives and souls sucked out of them by unrestrained, vampiric capitalism. Great days.

Right. And it's a good thing football has nothing to do with unrestrained, vampiric capitalism anymore. Great days :-|

[Sir C]

I thought you were a fan of Cameron?

On a personal level, he is very pleasant company. A charming chap and a gentleman. I have the utmost rerspect for him as a human being. As a politician, less so. He was elected leader of the Conservative party yet governed like the limpest Liberal.

He made it legal for pooves to marry each other, for example. Yes, a man married to a man. :shrug: Surely the Good Lord will send us a flood to sweep the earth clean of this filth?

[Burney]

:hehe: You see your error here, no?

Yes, but I feel that, like Henry Higgins with Eliza Doolittle, we can mould the unpromising material that is sw into at least a reasonable simulacrum of a gentleman

[Sir C]

Yes, but I feel that, like Henry Higgins with Eliza Doolittle, we can mould the unpromising material that is sw into at least a reasonable simulacrum of a gentleman

The chap wears denim trousers and plimsolls to work, b. He is far beyond our help.

[redgunamo]

I don't think supporter expectation should matter in an ideal world.

I think those questions would be asked by the incumbent himself, who is likely to be best placed to ask and answer them (while has has the desire to do so) given he knows the club and his players better than anyone on earth.

It *does* matter though; that's why professional football folk get paid so much.

[Burney]

On a personal level, he is very pleasant company. A charming chap and a gentleman. I have the utmost rerspect for him as a human being. As a politician, less so. He was elected leader of the Conservative party yet governed like the limpest Liberal.

He made it legal for pooves to marry each other, for example. Yes, a man married to a man. :shrug: Surely the Good Lord will send us a flood to sweep the earth clean of this filth?

My father still can't get over gay marriage. Seems to think that berties being allowed to tie the knot invalidates the status of his marriage or something.
I have pointed out that I find his new-found reverence for the institution somewhat surprising, but to no avail.

[SWv2]

I really think there's no need for this sort of abuse, sw. Can we not all behave as gentlemen? :shrug:

Well perhaps the language was a little feisty but we have all sat here for years as he has pontificated and looked down his nose at "thick" football supporters and then he pours forth with nonsense like he did earlier.

It is the hypocrisy that annoys me so B. The hypocrisy and the tedium, don't forget the tedium. One half-decent result against shít opposition and sure as hell we know it's coming and ...... Boom!

[Burney]

Well perhaps the language was a little feisty but we have all sat here for years as he has pontificated and looked down his nose at "thick" football supporters and then he pours forth with nonsense like he did earlier.

It is the hypocrisy that annoys me so B. The hypocrisy and the tedium, don't forget the tedium. One half-decent result against shít opposition and sure as hell we know it's coming and ...... Boom!

But we all have our peccadilloes, don't we? With me it's transgenders and politics, you're obsessed with Paul Weller, Sir C can bang on for days about airyplanes and Springsteen and with Monty it just happens to be a compulsive need to say 'I told you so' to his fellow Arsenal fans. We must accept these aspects of one another in a spirit of amity imo.

Besides, I see Weller has produced another infant. Dirty, dirty old man. :-(

[redgunamo]

Yes, but I feel that, like Henry Higgins with Eliza Doolittle, we can mould the unpromising material that is sw into at least a reasonable simulacrum of a gentleman

Gaaaaaaaarn!

[Sir C]

But we all have our peccadilloes, don't we? With me it's transgenders and politics, you're obsessed with Paul Weller, Sir C can bang on for days about airyplanes and Springsteen and with Monty it just happens to be a compulsive need to say 'I told you so' to his fellow Arsenal fans. We must accept these aspects of one another in a spirit of amity imo.

Besides, I see Weller has produced another infant. Dirty, dirty old man. :-(

I so do not go on and on about aeroplanes. I may very occasionally point out a factual error in a conversation about aviation; you wouldn't wish me to turn my face from ignorance?

[Burney]

Gaaaaaaaarn!

Quite so. I don't think sw will ever be safe to take to the Royal Enclosure, to be honest, but one does one's best.

[redgunamo]

My father still can't get over gay marriage. Seems to think that berties being allowed to tie the knot invalidates the status of his marriage or something.
I have pointed out that I find his new-found reverence for the institution somewhat surprising, but to no avail.

Well, quite. People have been asking for it for years, often without realising. Now, at this point, what difference does it make.

[Burney]

I so do not go on and on about aeroplanes. I may very occasionally point out a factual error in a conversation about aviation; you wouldn't wish me to turn my face from ignorance?

My dear chap, don't take on so. i positively welcome your enlightening discussion of planes and vectors and thrust and whatnot.

[SWv2]

But we all have our peccadilloes, don't we? With me it's transgenders and politics, you're obsessed with Paul Weller, Sir C can bang on for days about airyplanes and Springsteen and with Monty it just happens to be a compulsive need to say 'I told you so' to his fellow Arsenal fans. We must accept these aspects of one another in a spirit of amity imo.

Besides, I see Weller has produced another infant. Dirty, dirty old man. :-(

Indeed, 8 at latest count by 4 different partners I seem to recall. Not sure how he manages as I struggle at time with 2.

Still, new album in May for us all to enjoy meanwhile I am sure you are grooving to Street Rituals by Stone Foundation in which he appears on 2-3 tracks. Modern British soul.

Nice.

[SWv2]

Quite so. I don't think sw will ever be safe to take to the Royal Enclosure, to be honest, but one does one's best.

Is it a pub?

[Burney]

Is it a pub?

Of a sort, sw. Of a sort.

[Burney]

Well, quite. People have been asking for it for years, often without realising. Now, at this point, what difference does it make.

Your mum's been asking for it for years.

[Sir C]

Well, quite. People have been asking for it for years, often without realising. Now, at this point, what difference does it make.

It's unnatural. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, and so on.

They were already allowed to engage in a legal partnership. Giving sodomites equal rights with normal people will do nothing less than encourage our children to engage in these bestial acts.

When Russian tanks are disembarking at Dover and our brave soldiers are all busy sucking each others dicks, we'll realise our mistake.

[Pat Vegas]

It's unnatural. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, and so on.

They were already allowed to engage in a legal partnership. Giving sodomites equal rights with normal people will do nothing less than encourage our children to engage in these bestial acts.

When Russian tanks are disembarking at Dover and our brave soldiers are all busy sucking each others dicks, we'll realise our mistake.

This thread is too long I can't work out what's going on.

[redgunamo]

Quite so. I don't think sw will ever be safe to take to the Royal Enclosure, to be honest, but one does one's best.

Practically perfect in every way, that film. Just like Mary Poppins.

[Burney]

This thread is too long I can't work out what's going on.

We've gone from Arsenal's prospects of making the top four to Sir C's gay uniform fetish.

Do keep up!

[Burney]

Practically perfect in every way, that film. Just like Mary Poppins.

Yes. Like all the best musicals, you sort of don't notice it's a musical. I feel like this about Oliver! also.

[redgunamo]

It's unnatural. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, and so on.

They were already allowed to engage in a legal partnership. Giving sodomites equal rights with normal people will do nothing less than encourage our children to engage in these bestial acts.

When Russian tanks are disembarking at Dover and our brave soldiers are all busy sucking each others dicks, we'll realise our mistake.

That's the point; there *aren't* any children. Anyway, not enough. And if there's not going to be any kids, what difference does it make if your wife (or husband, I suppose) is a man or a woman or even your pet baboon.

[SWv2]

It's unnatural. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, and so on.

They were already allowed to engage in a legal partnership. Giving sodomites equal rights with normal people will do nothing less than encourage our children to engage in these bestial acts.

When Russian tanks are disembarking at Dover and our brave soldiers are all busy sucking each others dicks, we'll realise our mistake.

All the rage in Ireland now.

Poofs, avocado and Gin. Quite the heady mix.

[Burney]

That's the point; there *aren't* any children. Anyway, not enough. And if there's not going to be any kids, what difference does it make if your wife (or husband, I suppose) is a man or a woman or even your pet baboon.

So what you're saying is that Sir C and I (both of whom are in marriages without children) might as well be homos? :-(

[Burney]

All the rage in Ireland now.

Poofs, avocado and Gin. Quite the heady mix.

Of the three, I think I object most to avocados.

[Sir C]

All the rage in Ireland now.

Poofs, avocado and Gin. Quite the heady mix.

And what, pray, does the Church have to say about these pooves and their unnatural practices?

[SWv2]

So what you're saying is that Sir C and I (both of whom are in marriages without children) might as well be homos? :-(

His suggestion that we factor in baboons is not very helpful given that is how the very bad Aids began in the first place.

[Ash]

POTY young man, I congratulate you. A succinct summation of events given without hyperbole nor bias.

:clap:

Post of the Year?


It's only April.

[Burney]

His suggestion that we factor in baboons is not very helpful given that is how the very bad Aids began in the first place.

Be that as it may, sw, any man prepared to try and fùck a baboon has my sincere admiration. Vicious things they are. With bloody great teeth.

[Ash]

Do you suppose he can touch his own skinless pecker with the tip of his nose?

You are Ken Livingstone and I claim my five pounds.

[redgunamo]

Yes. Like all the best musicals, you sort of don't notice it's a musical. I feel like this about Oliver! also.

Good call. Phil Collins was in that, I think. Maybe on the stage.

[SWv2]

And what, pray, does the Church have to say about these pooves and their unnatural practices?

Well I have not spoken directly with clergy on this issue but I suspect they are not fully on board given that the whole man on man or man on boy thing goes against all the teachings of the Bible and as such the catholic church.

I suspect chicks on chicks is cool as long as they are not the stereotypical lezzer munters.

[Ash]

Hardly anybody thinks of it that way though, as for 99% of the planet, throughout history, achieving mediocrity represents a triumph.


Well, seeing as most people celebrate their birthdays, just staying alive must be widely seen as some kind of triumph. And surely the person of unlimited ambition is never satisfied, or happy, while the simple chap who says "fùckit, this'll do" can enjoy life in the moment.

[SWv2]

Post of the Year?


It's only April.

Judge him in May.

[Luis Anaconda]

Isn't it, though? I'm very pleasantly surprised by how good Jack Whitehall is, I must admit. Well first I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't feel my usual strong urge to strike him and then was impressed by his acting.

In the few episodes of Fresh Meat I saw he was good but basically playing himself. Cracking cast around him - even Yara Greyjoy is good

[Burney]

You are Ken Livingstone and I claim my five pounds.

Did you see this, a? :hehe:

https://twitter.com/qynq/status/849208319692681220

[Burney]

In the few episodes of Fresh Meat I saw he was good but basically playing himself. Cracking cast around him - even Yara Greyjoy is good

Yes, I liked Fresh Meat but, as you say, he was simply an extension of his stage persona.

The chap playing Captain Grimes was especially good. Douglas Hodge, was it?

[Luis Anaconda]

Yes, I liked Fresh Meat but, as you say, he was simply an extension of his stage persona.

The chap playing Captain Grimes was especially good. Douglas Hodge, was it?

Yep - fine actor. Hard to believe David Suchet hasn't done anything comic since Blott on the Landscape. I want to watch that again now

[redgunamo]

So what you're saying is that Sir C and I (both of whom are in marriages without children) might as well be homos? :-(

Well, as I say, aside from a measure of squeamishness at bedtime, what difference would it make. Jeeves and Wooster, Holmes and Watson, even Higgins and Pickering, of course. There's nothing wrong with it, is there.

Call it "chums".

[Ash]

Did you see this, a? :hehe:

https://twitter.com/qynq/status/849208319692681220

I like that twitter account's Bladerunner avatar.

[Pokster]

So what you're saying is that Sir C and I (both of whom are in marriages without children) might as well be homos? :-(

We all have doubts about you both already

[redgunamo]

Well, seeing as most people celebrate their birthdays, just staying alive must be widely seen as some kind of triumph. And surely the person of unlimited ambition is never satisfied, or happy, while the simple chap who says "fùckit, this'll do" can enjoy life in the moment.

People need to watch more Michael Mann films, imo. They are all about mans' fear of ageing and what it means and what you're supposed to do about it.

[World's End Stella]

Did you go to Barrafina last nght?

Sadly no, the Barrafina and theatre trip is planned for the summer when my sister is over from Vancouver.

I just like to be prepared :-)

[barrybueno]

Post of the Year?


It's only April.

It's worse than that Ash, he works in tax years... The lad SWv2 has lost his head a little there I feel.