It's only 10 points :cloud9: it's on

[Pat Vegas]

Wenger in.

[Sir C]

Wenger in.

Wenger is clearly a genius. I mean, he's got 50 points, and the other manager with 50 points, Pochettino, is generally lauded as the Greatest Thing That's Ever Happened To Football, so the same must be true of Wenger. Right?

[Pat Vegas]

Wenger is clearly a genius. I mean, he's got 50 points, and the other manager with 50 points, Pochettino, is generally lauded as the Greatest Thing That's Ever Happened To Football, so the same must be true of Wenger. Right?

You forgot to log in as Monty.

However I think if we are to win league some how we would have to win all of our remaining games.

Silly Arsenal have got me fooled into thinking we will beat Bayern this time.
This is clearly not based on form.

[World's End Stella]

Wenger is clearly a genius. I mean, he's got 50 points, and the other manager with 50 points, Pochettino, is generally lauded as the Greatest Thing That's Ever Happened To Football, so the same must be true of Wenger. Right?

No, not really. Because only a silly person would judge a manager based solely on where they sit in the table at any given time.

It's rather more complicated than that. Easier to just stop caring, anyway. :thumbup:

[Sir C]

You forgot to log in as Monty.

However I think if we are to win league some how we would have to win all of our remaining games.

Silly Arsenal have got me fooled into thinking we will beat Bayern this time.
This is clearly not based on form.

We're not going to win all our remaining games, and Chelsea aren't going to drop 10 points, I'm afraid. And at the moment I can't see a way past Bayern, unless we stumble across a rich vein of form somewhere.

[Sir C]

No, not really. Because only a silly person would judge a manager based solely on where they sit in the table at any given time.

It's rather more complicated than that. Easier to just stop caring, anyway. :thumbup:

So one doesn't judge a manger by results?

OK.

[Pat Vegas]

We're not going to win all our remaining games, and Chelsea aren't going to drop 10 points, I'm afraid. And at the moment I can't see a way past Bayern, unless we stumble across a rich vein of form somewhere.

I have calculated Chelsea will drop 7 points guaranteed using fash science.
the additional 3 will have to come from results such as yesterday.

[Pat Vegas]

No, not really. Because only a silly person would judge a manager based solely on where they sit in the table at any given time.

It's rather more complicated than that. Easier to just stop caring, anyway. :thumbup:

We are usually told to judge him in May. In May we are told let's see what next season brings.

[Burney]

So one doesn't judge a manger by results?

OK.

The Baby Jesus does not like this :-(

[Pokster]

So one doesn't judge a manger by results?

OK.

Surely it depends on the expectations of the club before the season begins.. a manager at Chelsea and Arsenal (for example) willbe judged completely differently than a manager at West Brom.

So it isn't all about results

[Sir C]

Surely it depends on the expectations of the club before the season begins.. a manager at Chelsea and Arsenal (for example) willbe judged completely differently than a manager at West Brom.

So it isn't all about results

So Pochettino is all that's wonderful because Spurs expect to be shít, and Wenger is useless because Arsenal expect to win the league?

I've heard some nonsense in my time, but this probably takes the chocolate Hob Nob.

[Burney]

So Pochettino is all that's wonderful because Spurs expect to be shít, and Wenger is useless because Arsenal expect to win the league?

I've heard some nonsense in my time, but this probably takes the chocolate Hob Nob.

Yes. Essentially it is the argument of the spoilt brat who expects to get a top of the range bike for Christmas and is outraged when they receive the lower-spec version versus the relatively impoverished child who does not expect the top-of-the-range bike and for whom the the lower-spec version is more than they ever expected.

[Sir C]

Yes. Essentially it is the argument of the spoilt brat who expects to get a top of the range bike for Christmas and is outraged when they receive the lower-spec version versus the relatively impoverished child who does not expect the top-of-the-range bike and for whom the the lower-spec version is more than they ever expected.

:nod: This is also expressed by the whine, 'But the club told us that we were moving to the Emirates in order to win things'.

One is reminded almost daily of Spoilt Bástard from Viz. Timmy's everywhere.

[World's End Stella]

So one doesn't judge a manger by results?

OK.

Um, no. That's not what I said and you know it. Now stop it!

[Luis Anaconda]

Yes. Essentially it is the argument of the spoilt brat who expects to get a top of the range bike for Christmas and is outraged when they receive the lower-spec version versus the relatively impoverished child who does not expect the top-of-the-range bike and for whom the the lower-spec version is more than they ever expected.
Speaking of people with low expectations, I liked this quote:

"every member of the shadow cabinet is capable of becoming leader."

Weren't about half them incapable of gaining a place in the shadow cabinet six months ago

[Pokster]

So Pochettino is all that's wonderful because Spurs expect to be shít, and Wenger is useless because Arsenal expect to win the league?

I've heard some nonsense in my time, but this probably takes the chocolate Hob Nob.

Sorry, I don't remember saying either of those things.

MP is judged as he SEEMS to be improving Spurs each season, AW is judged as Arsenal seem to be treading water every season

[Burney]

Speaking of people with low expectations, I liked this quote:

"every member of the shadow cabinet is capable of becoming leader."

Weren't about half them incapable of gaining a place in the shadow cabinet six months ago

To be fair, dear old Jezza has really lowered the bar in terms of qualifications to be leader. Anyone capable of going a day without saying or doing something that drops them two percentage points in the polls is now considered stunningly over-qualified.

Mind you, I did like that description of Angela Rayner as "a bit charity shop-looking” and “weird” :hehe:

[IUFG]

I do believe Gazidis said the move to the Grove was to enable us to "compete with any club in the world"

That sort of statement does sort of set a level of expectation for fans.
I didn't realise he only meant competing on a financial level. . .

edit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20220153

[Sir C]

I do believe Gazidis said the move to the Grove was to enable us to "compete with any club in the world"

That sort of statement does sort of set a level of expectation for fans.
I didn't realise he only meant competing on a financial level. . .

edit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20220153

Well, yes. 'Compete'. Not 'win everything every year because it will be easy.'

[Sir C]

To be fair, dear old Jezza has really lowered the bar in terms of qualifications to be leader. Anyone capable of going a day without saying or doing something that drops them two percentage points in the polls is now considered stunningly over-qualified.

Mind you, I did like that description of Angela Rayner as "a bit charity shop-looking” and “weird” :hehe:

Is there no way they could get Ken Loach in?

[Burney]

Is there no way they could get Ken Loach in?

Dear God, but that mendacious, agitprop-producing communist needs shooting! He's basically made a living by libelling his own country in order to please a bunch of fat, lefty frogs at Cannes.

Mind you, he's 80 and a relic of a bygone age. He'll be dead soon. :cloud9:

[SWv2]

So Pochettino is all that's wonderful because Spurs expect to be shít, and Wenger is useless because Arsenal expect to win the league?

I've heard some nonsense in my time, but this probably takes the chocolate Hob Nob.

I am not sure I have ever read anywhere people claiming that Pochetinno is the best thing ever, which in itself renders your entire contribution a nonsense. As pointed out earlier (by Fash I think), it is the sort of utterly ridiculous ****e which we expect from Monty, not you.

[Luis Anaconda]

I am not sure I have ever read anywhere people claiming that Pochetinno is the best thing ever, which in itself renders your entire contribution a nonsense. As pointed out earlier (by Fash I think), it is the sort of utterly ridiculous ****e which we expect from Monty, not you.

Tell that to Manukrishnan
https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/is-mauricio-pochettino-best-manager-premier-league

[Sir C]

I am not sure I have ever read anywhere people claiming that Pochetinno is the best thing ever, which in itself renders your entire contribution a nonsense. As pointed out earlier (by Fash I think), it is the sort of utterly ridiculous ****e which we expect from Monty, not you.

Hyperbole is a linguistic device, using exaggeration to make a point. I can appreciate that you might struggle with such advanced reading and comprehension.

I'll try to keep things a bit simpler for you in future, sw :thumbup:

[SWv2]

Hyperbole is a linguistic device, using exaggeration to make a point. I can appreciate that you might struggle with such advanced reading and comprehension.

I'll try to keep things a bit simpler for you in future, sw :thumbup:

Good man, patronising and arrogant by 10:30 on the Monday morning. You're on form.

[Ash]

I am not sure I have ever read anywhere people claiming that Pochetinno is the best thing ever, which in itself renders your entire contribution a nonsense. As pointed out earlier (by Fash I think), it is the sort of utterly ridiculous ****e which we expect from Monty, not you.

We should perhaps make allowance for a drop of hyperbole, but the praise is fullsome:

"Best manager in England" - Alex Ferguson
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sir-alex-ferguson-claims-mauricio-7342521

"One of world’s best managers" - Pep Guardiola
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/30/pep-guardiola-mauricio-pochettino-manchester-city-tottenham-best-world

"My favourite Premier League coach" - Gary Neville
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/12020485/Mauricio-Pochettino-is-my-favourite-Premier-League-coach-he-has-transformed-Tottenham-Hotspur.html

and the clincher:

"The best or definitely one of the best in the world" - Harry Kane
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenhams-harry-kane-i-believe-mauricio-pochettino-is-the-best-manager-in-the-world-a3442851.html

[Sir C]

Good man, patronising and arrogant by 10:30 on the Monday morning. You're on form.

You started the day by dismissing my opinion as 'utterly ridiculous shíte', so telling me I'm patronising and arrogant is quite hysterical.

[Burney]

You started the day by dismissing my opinion as 'utterly ridiculous shíte', so telling me I'm patronising and arrogant is quite hysterical.

Stop bickering, the pair of you. Honestly, why can't people just be nice?

[Luis Anaconda]

Stop bickering, the pair of you. Honestly, why can't people just be nice?
They're both Irish, b

[Pat Vegas]

Stop bickering, the pair of you. Honestly, why can't people just be nice?

It's just like being at the Emirates.

Not that I would know I haven't been in ages.

[Sir C]

Stop bickering, the pair of you. Honestly, why can't people just be nice?

I made a perfectly reasonable point and he wades in, as usual, with his ill-mannered vulgarity.

Probably still píssed.

I am prepared to accept an apology if it is suitably grovelling.

[Burney]

They're both Irish, b

So are we, but we're models of civility. :shrug:

[SWv2]

I apologise to no man when I have done no wrong.

[Pokster]

I made a perfectly reasonable point and he wades in, as usual, with his ill-mannered vulgarity.

Probably still píssed.

I am prepared to accept an apology if it is suitably grovelling.

I'll accept yours for your insult earlier and implying I have made comments about AW and MP

[Pokster]

So are we, but we're models of civility. :shrug:

You do realise you are talking to LA

[Burney]

I apologise to no man when I have done no wrong.

Why don't you just both strip naked and have a bit of a wrestle to break the sexual tension, you pair of queens?

[SWv2]

Why don't you just both strip naked and have a bit of a wrestle to break the sexual tension, you pair of queens?

Eh, I strip naked and wrestle with no man.

I am not sure I can speak for Dutch, each to their own and all that.

[SWv2]

We should perhaps make allowance for a drop of hyperbole, but the praise is fullsome:

"Best manager in England" - Alex Ferguson
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sir-alex-ferguson-claims-mauricio-7342521

"One of world’s best managers" - Pep Guardiola
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/30/pep-guardiola-mauricio-pochettino-manchester-city-tottenham-best-world

"My favourite Premier League coach" - Gary Neville
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/12020485/Mauricio-Pochettino-is-my-favourite-Premier-League-coach-he-has-transformed-Tottenham-Hotspur.html

and the clincher:

"The best or definitely one of the best in the world" - Harry Kane
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenhams-harry-kane-i-believe-mauricio-pochettino-is-the-best-manager-in-the-world-a3442851.html

Come now A, each media soundbite sillier than the previous one and each ludicrous claim probably levelled at Wenger at some point in his reign, and Mourinho, not yet Pep.

Silly.

[Burney]

Eh, I strip naked and wrestle with no man.

I am not sure I can speak for Dutch, each to their own and all that.

I'm just saying that all this butting heads is clearly just sublimating your deeper feelings for one another. NTTAWWI :shrug:

[Ash]

Come now A, each media soundbite sillier than the previous one and each ludicrous claim probably levelled at Wenger at some point in his reign, and Mourinho, not yet Pep.

Silly.

Surely it isn't so outlandish to suggest that there might be such a thing the best manager in England?

[SWv2]

Surely it isn't so outlandish to suggest that there might be such a thing the best manager in England?

Would that not change every year in line with the winner of the title?

Is a manager with a bottomless pit of money who delivers tangible success in the form of a trophy a better “manager” than his peer at a club with little or no finances or club infrastructure who manages to keep them competing with clubs of much bigger means?

It’s all a bit my dad is bigger than your dad to be honest.

Wenger is a very good manager. Pochetinno is a very good manager. One is arguably coming to the end of his days while the other is setting off on his path.

One manages a club with enormous resources, one of the top 10 in the world if we believe reports from industry specialists. The other does not. There is despite basic logic different expectations placed on both from their supporters.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

Pochettino, is generally lauded as the Greatest Thing That's Ever Happened To Football

Sauce please?

[Sir C]

Sauce please?

Several links below from Ash.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

Several links below from Ash.


...and yet somehow that is a reflection on our manager?

[Sir C]

...and yet somehow that is a reflection on our manager?

Well, yes. When one is lauded and the other decried, whilst results are the same, there's something amiss, no?

[Ash]

Would that not change every year in line with the winner of the title?

Is a manager with a bottomless pit of money who delivers tangible success in the form of a trophy a better “manager” than his peer at a club with little or no finances or club infrastructure who manages to keep them competing with clubs of much bigger means?

It’s all a bit my dad is bigger than your dad to be honest.

Wenger is a very good manager. Pochetinno is a very good manager. One is arguably coming to the end of his days while the other is setting off on his path.

One manages a club with enormous resources, one of the top 10 in the world if we believe reports from industry specialists. The other does not. There is despite basic logic different expectations placed on both from their supporters.

Not necessarily the winning of the title. The concept of best manager is an opinion, which, if expressed, might take into account all of the factors you mention. In terms of pounds spent per point harvested, I expect Poch is running high amongst the top-ranked clubs over the last two seasons. Agreed that the stock of a manager fluctuates with the team's fortunes, and would add that those fortunes will depend also on players and the coaching, scouting and other staff.

Or maybe Dr Nerg is right and the Spurs players are just doing well because they are doping. :shrug:

[Pat Vegas]

Not necessarily the winning of the title. The concept of best manager is an opinion, which, if expressed, might take into account all of the factors you mention. In terms of pounds spent per point harvested, I expect Poch is running high amongst the top-ranked clubs over the last two seasons. Agreed that the stock of a manager fluctuates with the team's fortunes, and would add that those fortunes will depend also on players and the coaching, scouting and other staff.

Or maybe Dr Nerg is right and the Spurs players are just doing well because they are doping. :shrug:

I think Spurs are doing well as they've actually not had any major departures in the past few seasons which was a regular to lose their stars. They are having a good period.

They have been fortunate with the rise of Alli and Kane. Unfortunately with Kane they seem to have actually found a player who seems to want to stick around and would probably stick around even if a big team comes looking. alli on the other hand I don't know.

most importantly it seems Spurs have actually given this manager a run at things. as usually they would have sacked him by now.

I am sure a disruption will turn up at some point.

[SWv2]

I am sure a disruption will turn up at some point.

Rumours of large Spanish clubs sniffing around their manager for one.

[Luis Anaconda]

Rumours of large Spanish clubs sniffing around their manager for one.

And PSG

http://www.espnfc.com/tottenham-hotspur/story/3059239/tottenham-coach-mauricio-pochettino-paris-saint-germain-are-my-team

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

Well, yes. When one is lauded and the other decried, whilst results are the same, there's something amiss, no?

Depends on the motivation. Selling articles or gaining clicks largely depends on the positivity or apathy of the intended reader. Hardy much point writing an article about how out of his depth potato head is when he appears to be doing a better job than all of his recent predecessors. Conversely, look at the type of people that look forward to reading a negative article about Mr Wenger.