What's the point of our Top4 Trophy anyway? Gets us a mighty pot of money - meh! My

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

ticket isn't any cheaper. The CL is a tourney we cannae win and seem to have no intention of winning as we simply do not have the calibre of squad that has a chance.

I'm with WES..I want relegation battles and managers being sacked every other week and the rapid disappearance from the ArabBowl of the insufferable cvnts who either ought to have stuck with rugby or who ignore the match for most of the time while they tackle social media then hold their cvnting iPhones aloft whenever anything happens.

[Pat Vegas]

ticket isn't any cheaper. The CL is a tourney we cannae win and seem to have no intention of winning as we simply do not have the calibre of squad that has a chance.

I'm with WES..I want relegation battles and managers being sacked every other week and the rapid disappearance from the ArabBowl of the insufferable cvnts who either ought to have stuck with rugby or who ignore the match for most of the time while they tackle social media then hold their cvnting iPhones aloft whenever anything happens.

:nod: I would like UEFA to remove the 4th spot.
No other sport you get something for being 4th.

Plus anytime you say you are not happy with Wenger everyone has to go to the extreme opposite of being in the relegation zone.
:shrug: Why does it have to be from one extreme to another?

[redgunamo]

Yes, but it's easier to launch a tilt at the title from the top four*, ain't it, so you'd think.

In fact, all it actually does is destroy the myth that there really can be such a thing as "development" in football. People who go just want to see their team win that game and couldn't give a stuff about what happens in the next game, which they may not even attend.



*If you don't count Leicester City.



ticket isn't any cheaper. The CL is a tourney we cannae win and seem to have no intention of winning as we simply do not have the calibre of squad that has a chance.

I'm with WES..I want relegation battles and managers being sacked every other week and the rapid disappearance from the ArabBowl of the insufferable cvnts who either ought to have stuck with rugby or who ignore the match for most of the time while they tackle social media then hold their cvnting iPhones aloft whenever anything happens.

[SWv2]

Plus anytime you say you are not happy with Wenger everyone has to go to the extreme opposite of being in the relegation zone.
:shrug: Why does it have to be from one extreme to another?

I don't understand the fear agenda driven by the rabidly pro-Wenger staying chaps pointing at Utd / Moyes as being relevant. Why not point at other clubs who manage to transition from one regime to another without such a doomsday scenario.

For all we know it may lead to relative failure but equally it may lead to relative progress.

[Pokster]

I don't understand the fear agenda driven by the rabidly pro-Wenger staying chaps pointing at Utd / Moyes as being relevant. Why not point at other clubs who manage to transition from one regime to another without such a doomsday scenario.

For all we know it may lead to relative failure but equally it may lead to relative progress.

The change has to happen at some stage, so it makes sense to look at it as a strong possibility this summer and see what candidates are out there that MIGHt improve us from where we are at the moment (which is constantly treading water).
If he is given a new 2-3yr contract then the board are just kicking the can down the road.

[redgunamo]

:nod: I would like UEFA to remove the 4th spot.
No other sport you get something for being 4th.

Plus anytime you say you are not happy with Wenger everyone has to go to the extreme opposite of being in the relegation zone.
:shrug: Why does it have to be from one extreme to another?

As Charlie points out, for most of us, real football only began in 1996. Before that the Arsenal were often to be found languishing in the relegation zone and it's only Wenger's genius what's kept us up .

[Pat Vegas]

I don't understand the fear agenda driven by the rabidly pro-Wenger staying chaps pointing at Utd / Moyes as being relevant. Why not point at other clubs who manage to transition from one regime to another without such a doomsday scenario.

For all we know it may lead to relative failure but equally it may lead to relative progress.

Exactly. A new manager might bring more out of the current players.As we usually have only one game plan. Maybe another one may have different philosophy which might be even better. Sure a new manager will bring in new additions and there would be some departures but I don't think it would see such a drastic change.

I actually think Moyes wasn't given enough time.

[Sir C]

ticket isn't any cheaper. The CL is a tourney we cannae win and seem to have no intention of winning as we simply do not have the calibre of squad that has a chance.

I'm with WES..I want relegation battles and managers being sacked every other week and the rapid disappearance from the ArabBowl of the insufferable cvnts who either ought to have stuck with rugby or who ignore the match for most of the time while they tackle social media then hold their cvnting iPhones aloft whenever anything happens.

Quite fun though. I've had some lovely nights out in Milan and Munich off the back of it.

Remember when we used to sometimes qulaify for the UEFA cup? Remember how exciting it was when foreign teams came to Highbury? Remember how amazing it was to see Spartak Moscow play football from another planet as they tore us a new sphincter? Remember being boggle-eyed in amazement that you were actually seeing Roberto Bettega, Marco Tardelli and Dino Zoff? (And Steve Walford)

You've been spoiled, man.

[Pat Vegas]

Quite fun though. I've had some lovely nights out in Milan and Munich off the back of it.

Remember when we used to sometimes qulaify for the UEFA cup? Remember how exciting it was when foreign teams came to Highbury? Remember how amazing it was to see Spartak Moscow play football from another planet as they tore us a new sphincter? Remember being boggle-eyed in amazement that you were actually seeing Roberto Bettega, Marco Tardelli and Dino Zoff? (And Steve Walford)

You've been spoiled, man.

Sir C I don't think that because we once played nice football or had success in the past that we can't want/expect some more?
What about the youngsters today. There are kids / nearly teens who have only seen arsenal win a couple of FA cups. They will never have seen those good years.

[redgunamo]

Exactly. A new manager might bring more out of the current players.As we usually have only one game plan. Maybe another one may have different philosophy which might be even better. Sure a new manager will bring in new additions and there would be some departures but I don't think it would see such a drastic change.

I actually think Moyes wasn't given enough time.

Moyes certainly wasn't given enough money, as it turns out.

As for Wenger, the thing is, He certainly hasn't done enough for us (fans, club, board, whomever) to boot, hound or harry Him out. He doesn't deserve that, does He. So the only other thing is for Him to decide Himself when to call it a day.

[SWv2]

As Charlie points out, for most of us, real football only began in 1996. Before that the Arsenal were often to be found languishing in the relegation zone and it's only Wenger's genius what's kept us up .

I think this is a little over-dramatic.

Never had you down as a poof.

[Sir C]

Sir C I don't think that because we once played nice football or had success in the past that we can't want/expect some more?
What about the youngsters today. There are kids / nearly teens who have only seen arsenal win a couple of FA cups. They will never have seen those good years.

I'm referring to the rubbish years, when we dreamed of finishing in the top 4 and winning the odd cup. We were happy with the small successes, like getting into the UEFA cup and enjoying the experience. We didn't demand titles and trophies; we enjoyed what we had.*

*Except the cab drivers in the East Stand. They moaned like *******s.

[SWv2]

Quite fun though. I've had some lovely nights out in Milan and Munich off the back of it.

Remember when we used to sometimes qulaify for the UEFA cup? Remember how exciting it was when foreign teams came to Highbury? Remember how amazing it was to see Spartak Moscow play football from another planet as they tore us a new sphincter? Remember being boggle-eyed in amazement that you were actually seeing Roberto Bettega, Marco Tardelli and Dino Zoff? (And Steve Walford)

You've been spoiled, man.

That is simply time, progress and the big money machinations of modern day football.

[Pat Vegas]

Moyes certainly wasn't given enough money, as it turns out.

As for Wenger, the thing is, He certainly hasn't done enough for us (fans, club, board, whomever) to boot, hound or harry Him out. He doesn't deserve that, does He. So the only other thing is for Him to decide Himself when to call it a day.

And this is why you have people at games with Banners. I don't agree with them but they probably feel the club doesn't give two ****s and it's the only way to show their frustration.

Don't get me wrong if you bring a anti wenger banner to a game you are clearly a wrongun.

Wenger should have jacked it in after the 2 fa cup wins imo.

[Sir C]

That is simply time, progress and the big money machinations of modern day football.

:shrug: That doesn't make it right.

[redgunamo]

I think this is a little over-dramatic.

Never had you down as a poof.

I was trying to be funny. You know, sarcastic, satirical :-(

[Mo Britain less Europe]

Chelsea are going to win the title at a canter with a fairly average team (insofar as title winning teams go) because they're not in Europe. But of course they have an owner who will put money into the team Europe or no Europe.

It's a badge of honour to always qualify for the CL. Brings money, exposure, fans... but my feeling is that we have often been overstretched by being involved in so many trophies and ended up collapsing in a heap.

And yes, we can win it. It would require some luck and other teams under-performing but look at that last Liverpool team tha won it.

[Pat Vegas]

Chelsea are going to win the title at a canter with a fairly average team (insofar as title winning teams go) because they're not in Europe. But of course they have an owner who will put money into the team Europe or no Europe.

It's a badge of honour to always qualify for the CL. Brings money, exposure, fans... but my feeling is that we have often been overstretched by being involved in so many trophies and ended up collapsing in a heap.

And yes, we can win it. It would require some luck and other teams under-performing but look at that last Liverpool team tha won it.

We are not a lucky team Mo. We will never win it. We had 2 chances and we ****ed them up.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

And yes, we can win it. It would require some luck and other teams under-performing but look at that last Liverpool team tha won it.

You can't do what Liverpool did wit'out a Stevie G though Mo'

Steve Gerrard Gerrard
He's a ****in retard retard
The ****in big lump o' lard
Steve Gerrard Gerrard

[redgunamo]

And this is why you have people at games with Banners. I don't agree with them but they probably feel the club doesn't give two ****s and it's the only way to show their frustration.

Don't get me wrong if you bring a anti wenger banner to a game you are clearly a wrongun.

Wenger should have jacked it in after the 2 fa cup wins imo.

Fair enough. About a dozen years in charge of the Arsenal would've been enough, I've always said. Invincibles, Champions League final, new ground; job done, thank you very much and we all wish you well in your future career at Real Madrid or wherever. Return whenever you've time as our honoured guest, to unveil a statue of yourself perhaps.

We had a pretty unique set of circumstances going on though, so it's understandable He's stuck around, I think.

[redgunamo]

You can't do what Liverpool did wit'out a Stevie G though Mo'

Steve Gerrard Gerrard
He's a ****in retard retard
The ****in big lump o' lard
Steve Gerrard Gerrard

looooooooooooooooool :clap:

[SWv2]

:shrug: That doesn't make it right.

No perhaps not but a lot of the glamour then was the fact it was unknown or relatively unknown, footballers names one may see in Shoot magazine or a stadium referenced in an end of yea annual or almanac.

World Cups were better then, or seemed so. International Football was better then, more glamorous, or seemed so.

The famous black and white stripes of the old lady or the all-white of Real Madrid which would conjure up mental images of mythical teams of di Stefano and Puskas who of course none of us would have seen.

Now you just stick on channel 404 or 414 and you can see these teams most nights of the week.

Progress my ageing Dutch friend. Change. Embrace it.

Wenger out.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

Progress my ageing Dutch friend. Change. Embrace it.

Wenger out.

You mean ageing, half Irish old soak surely? - with an expired pilot's license hanging out of his arse

[SWv2]

You mean ageing, half Irish old soak surely? - with an expired pilot's license hanging out of his arse

Herbs - as you will know I don't lower myself to his specific brand of bully tactics, but yes.

[Sir C]

You mean ageing, half Irish old soak surely? - with an expired pilot's license hanging out of his arse

Ageing? Certainly.

Half Irish? Fully Irish now, h.

Old soak? Can't argue.

Expired licence? Nah.

[Ash]

:nod: I would like UEFA to remove the 4th spot.
No other sport you get something for being 4th.


Apart from all those play-off spots for promotions up and down all the leagues.

Similarly, top four promotes you to Chumps League but for one year only.

[Ash]

Yes, but it's easier to launch a tilt at the title from the top four*, ain't it, so you'd think.

In fact, all it actually does is destroy the myth that there really can be such a thing as "development" in football. People who go just want to see their team win that game and couldn't give a stuff about what happens in the next game, which they may not even attend.



*If you don't count Leicester City.

Easier from without sometimes, as far as a single season goes. Difficult to play in the league after coming back from an away leg in Europe. And the match before sees you with one eye on the CL game too. Mourinho might have helped Chelsea win it in 2017 by taking them near to the relegation zone last time till he was sacked, ensuring that they had no distractions this season.

That year Gerrard fell on his arse too, when Liverpool nearly won it. No European games for them that year either. Obviously not the only factor, nor always applies but it can be a variable imo.

[redgunamo]

Apart from all those play-off spots for promotions up and down all the leagues.

Similarly, top four promotes you to Chumps League but for one year only.

Good point. And in the rugby, fourth puts you into a play-off for the title itself :homer:

[Ash]

I think this is a little over-dramatic.

Never had you down as a poof.

You really should work on your sarco-irony-detector, sir. Especially with reg, as he is rarely serious.

[Ash]

And yes, we can win it. It would require some luck and other teams under-performing but look at that last Liverpool team tha won it.

And the Chelsea team that won it. Worse than Spurs that year.

[Luis Anaconda]

Easier from without sometimes, as far as a single season goes. Difficult to play in the league after coming back from an away leg in Europe. And the match before sees you with one eye on the CL game too. Mourinho might have helped Chelsea win it in 2017 by taking them near to the relegation zone last time till he was sacked, ensuring that they had no distractions this season.

That year Gerrard fell on his arse too, when Liverpool nearly won it. No European games for them that year either. Obviously not the only factor, nor always applies but it can be a variable imo.
This will be the second season in a row that a team who hadn't qualified for Europe have won the league. Hardly conclusive evidence but with the suggestion that the increased TV payments have been a great leveler, Clive, making those post European games much harder, it may well be a bigger factor going forward

[redgunamo]

Easier from without sometimes, as far as a single season goes. Difficult to play in the league after coming back from an away leg in Europe. And the match before sees you with one eye on the CL game too. Mourinho might have helped Chelsea win it in 2017 by taking them near to the relegation zone last time till he was sacked, ensuring that they had no distractions this season.

That year Gerrard fell on his arse too, when Liverpool nearly won it. No European games for them that year either. Obviously not the only factor, nor always applies but it can be a variable imo.

Seems to be an issue unique to England, doesn't it. Everywhere else, the best players and teams are the ones that play the most games. Indeed that's *why* they're the best.

[redgunamo]

This will be the second season in a row that a team who hadn't qualified for Europe have won the league. Hardly conclusive evidence but with the suggestion that the increased TV payments have been a great leveler, Clive, making those post European games much harder, it may well be a bigger factor going forward

#KickEuropeOutofFootball :-(

[redgunamo]

And this is why you have people at games with Banners. I don't agree with them but they probably feel the club doesn't give two ****s and it's the only way to show their frustration.

Don't get me wrong if you bring a anti wenger banner to a game you are clearly a wrongun.

Wenger should have jacked it in after the 2 fa cup wins imo.

Over one hundert million quid a year at the gate; Arsenal supporters are the best in the world, I reckon.

[redgunamo]

You really should work on your sarco-irony-detector, sir. Especially with reg, as he is rarely serious.

If it's alright with you, I'll take that as a compliment.