Republican celebrates demise of Obamacare

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

This is the world we are living in today.
http://imgur.com/A5V7svI

[Burney]

This is the world we are living in today.
http://imgur.com/A5V7svI

I do wish people would stop highlighting individual examples of stupidity as though they were emblematic of anything wider.

The world has never been any different. It's always had stupid people and clever people in it on every side of every argument.

Always remember: 'The plural of anecdote is not data'.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

I do wish people would stop highlighting individual examples of stupidity as though they were emblematic of anything wider.

The world has never been any different. It's always had stupid people and clever people in it on every side of every argument.

Always remember: 'The plural of anecdote is not data'.

I hardly ever do this tbf - but, with the caveat that this is not fake obvs, this is just so monumentally stupid I consider it worth sharing :shrug:

[Burney]

I hardly ever do this tbf - but, with the caveat that this is not fake obvs, this is just so monumentally stupid I consider it worth sharing :shrug:

Oh, I know. It's just a trope that gets on my wick and is used by all sides of every argument to justify their position.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

Oh, I know. It's just a trope that gets on my wick and is used by all sides of every argument to justify their position.
You'll be telling me there's some sort of agenda with videos like this next :hehe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuanrYGnIOI

[Burney]

You'll be telling me there's some sort of agenda with videos like this next :hehe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuanrYGnIOI

Brought to you, of course, by the same people who believe that all women should vote for a woman because...errr...she's a woman.

The stupidity is by no means restricted to one side.

[eastgermanautos]

Brought to you, of course, by the same people who believe that all women should vote for a woman because...errr...she's a woman.

The stupidity is by no means restricted to one side.

Well I guess the argument for voting for a woman is that no woman has been elected before. And also that, if you're a woman, your life is going to start sucking in about ten days' time. But hey. I ain't a chick, I don't give a fvck. Fvck off, Meryl Streep.

[Burney]

Well I guess the argument for voting for a woman is that no woman has been elected before. And also that, if you're a woman, your life is going to start sucking in about ten days' time. But hey. I ain't a chick, I don't give a fvck. Fvck off, Meryl Streep.

That's a remarkably reductive point of view that in effect robs women of their agency by insisting they show solidarity by virtue of their identity regardless of things like policy. Reduce people to mere functions of their identity labels and you can end up making a case that white people should all have voted against Obama.

[redgunamo]

That's a remarkably reductive point of view that in effect robs women of their agency by insisting they show solidarity by virtue of their identity regardless of things like policy. Reduce people to mere functions of their identity labels and you can end up making a case that white people should all have voted against Obama.

Yes, you did say before that the woman "thing" would be a far harder sell than the black "thing". Still, I guess the Obama-Frau will answer the question once and for all, in the fullness of time.

[eastgermanautos]

That's a remarkably reductive point of view that in effect robs women of their agency by insisting they show solidarity by virtue of their identity regardless of things like policy. Reduce people to mere functions of their identity labels and you can end up making a case that white people should all have voted against Obama.

There are some very concrete effects of the Trump election, including medical care and ****e like that. Also, the agenda, some of which has a gendered component. Women do not, as a rule, own a dozen assault rifles; that's more of a male thing. Trump will be an advocate for those blokes. You will no doubt say something about working class solidarity, closet socialist that you are. That women in blue-collar areas benefit from the policies Trump is advocating. That "women's issues" are marquee, middle class concerns; whereas blue-collar women need to worry about ****e like having their families hold together. Here is where the fakeness of Trump comes in. He's not actually -- I hope I'm wrong -- going to help blue-collar workers. He's cutting down their pay, their medical, all that stuff. It's just rich guy rules. The only thing they got is kicking out the immigrants, which might do some good. We'll see on that one.

[Ash]

The only thing they got is kicking out the immigrants, which might do some good. We'll see on that one.

Wasn't Obama doing that anyway? 3 million of them? The ones that got past the wall, I mean fence, that he and Hillary built.

[redgunamo]

There are some very concrete effects of the Trump election, including medical care and ****e like that. Also, the agenda, some of which has a gendered component. Women do not, as a rule, own a dozen assault rifles; that's more of a male thing. Trump will be an advocate for those blokes. You will no doubt say something about working class solidarity, closet socialist that you are. That women in blue-collar areas benefit from the policies Trump is advocating. That "women's issues" are marquee, middle class concerns; whereas blue-collar women need to worry about ****e like having their families hold together. Here is where the fakeness of Trump comes in. He's not actually -- I hope I'm wrong -- going to help blue-collar workers. He's cutting down their pay, their medical, all that stuff. It's just rich guy rules. The only thing they got is kicking out the immigrants, which might do some good. We'll see on that one.

They just don't like your sort, I think. Just as you don't like theirs.

It's a little late to start sucking up to them now, imo.

[Chief Arrowhead]

Wasn't Obama doing that anyway? 3 million of them? The ones that got past the wall, I mean fence, that he and Hillary built.

That simple question turns out to have a more than anticipated complex answer. The increased number of deportations is largely a result of a change in policy that began at the end of the Bush administration. Previously those caught within 100 miles of the border were simply rounded up, put on buses and let go at the border -- this policy was deemed "catch and release" and there was little documentation. Now the policy is those caught within 100 miles are documented (fingerprints, etc.) and then released. Some folks have been 'deported' many many times.

Conversely Obama determined that they would not pursue illegals outside of 100 miles. So if an illegal makes it to St. Louis the chance of him being deported is essentially zero -- unless he commits a felony. Sometimes not even then as they are in the judicial system and deportations from that part of the government is exceedingly rare.

As a result, human traffickers have developed a more complicated system that includes a 'trail' far beyond the border and into the heart of the country. From there local authorities have no ability to deport because the Obama policy turns a deaf ear to any local or state LE wanting to deport illegals. This change greatly increased the illegal 'migration' and it continues today.

Also, the human trafficking pipeline has proven particularly useful for also transporting drugs to places like Ottumwa, Iowa and Peoria, Illinois. Both of those towns are now essentially barrios and they're not the only ones. Illegals and drug-addled locals, that's small town America today.

[Lady Henry AKA The African Queen]

That simple question turns out to have a more than anticipated complex answer. The increased number of deportations is largely a result of a change in policy that began at the end of the Bush administration. Previously those caught within 100 miles of the border were simply rounded up, put on buses and let go at the border -- this policy was deemed "catch and release" and there was little documentation. Now the policy is those caught within 100 miles are documented (fingerprints, etc.) and then released. Some folks have been 'deported' many many times.

Conversely Obama determined that they would not pursue illegals outside of 100 miles. So if an illegal makes it to St. Louis the chance of him being deported is essentially zero -- unless he commits a felony. Sometimes not even then as they are in the judicial system and deportations from that part of the government is exceedingly rare.

As a result, human traffickers have developed a more complicated system that includes a 'trail' far beyond the border and into the heart of the country. From there local authorities have no ability to deport because the Obama policy turns a deaf ear to any local or state LE wanting to deport illegals. This change greatly increased the illegal 'migration' and it continues today.

Also, the human trafficking pipeline has proven particularly useful for also transporting drugs to places like Ottumwa, Iowa and Peoria, Illinois. Both of those towns are now essentially barrios and they're not the only ones. Illegals and drug-addled locals, that's small town America today.

Ah welcome back Chief.
We have missed your rabid anti-Obama bias.
I note you have no issue with Melania Trump working illegally before applying for citizenship as Trump's handbag.
so the basis oh her application being illegal, I am guessing you would be ok with her deportation?

Even I am mildly surprised that you would support a nutjob like Trump but I guess its in the DNA.

[redgunamo]

That simple question turns out to have a more than anticipated complex answer. The increased number of deportations is largely a result of a change in policy that began at the end of the Bush administration. Previously those caught within 100 miles of the border were simply rounded up, put on buses and let go at the border -- this policy was deemed "catch and release" and there was little documentation. Now the policy is those caught within 100 miles are documented (fingerprints, etc.) and then released. Some folks have been 'deported' many many times.

Conversely Obama determined that they would not pursue illegals outside of 100 miles. So if an illegal makes it to St. Louis the chance of him being deported is essentially zero -- unless he commits a felony. Sometimes not even then as they are in the judicial system and deportations from that part of the government is exceedingly rare.

As a result, human traffickers have developed a more complicated system that includes a 'trail' far beyond the border and into the heart of the country. From there local authorities have no ability to deport because the Obama policy turns a deaf ear to any local or state LE wanting to deport illegals. This change greatly increased the illegal 'migration' and it continues today.

Also, the human trafficking pipeline has proven particularly useful for also transporting drugs to places like Ottumwa, Iowa and Peoria, Illinois. Both of those towns are now essentially barrios and they're not the only ones. Illegals and drug-addled locals, that's small town America today.

Yeah, it's something of a shame, I suppose, but his administration's achievements and legacy can pretty much be summed up in three or four words: President-elect Donald Trump.

[Chief Arrowhead]

Ah welcome back Chief.
We have missed your rabid anti-Obama bias.
I note you have no issue with Melania Trump working illegally before applying for citizenship as Trump's handbag.
so the basis oh her application being illegal, I am guessing you would be ok with her deportation?

Even I am mildly surprised that you would support a nutjob like Trump but I guess its in the DNA.

Shirley my "rabid anti-Obama bias" has been proven justified. More wars, terrorism on the rise, gifting nukes to Iran, more poverty. More urban killings. People at each other throats .. literally. Massive income inequality. Worst racial division in my lifetime. A weak, feckless America. I could go on. All according to his plan. He has been very successful in that regard as those were his goals all along. I have no idea what we're going to get from Trump, but I know for sure what we would have gotten with Hillary, and it was an either or choice. I hope for the best.

I haven't heard of anyone from even the lefty lefts of leftists suggest that Melania should be deported, or that she did anything illegally. You should be happy, really. Trump destroyed the House of Bush and all that remain. They're never coming back.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

I have no idea what we're going to get from Trump, but I know for sure what we would have gotten with Hillary, and it was an either or choice. I hope for the best.


You're taking the piss...

[World's End Stella]

Shirley my "rabid anti-Obama bias" has been proven justified. More wars, terrorism on the rise, gifting nukes to Iran, more poverty. More urban killings. People at each other throats .. literally. Massive income inequality. Worst racial division in my lifetime. A weak, feckless America. I could go on. All according to his plan. He has been very successful in that regard as those were his goals all along. I have no idea what we're going to get from Trump, but I know for sure what we would have gotten with Hillary, and it was an either or choice. I hope for the best.

I haven't heard of anyone from even the lefty lefts of leftists suggest that Melania should be deported, or that she did anything illegally. You should be happy, really. Trump destroyed the House of Bush and all that remain. They're never coming back.

So your theory is that Obama felt that it would be best for him and/or his party and/or his country to have more war, more terrorism, more poverty, more urban killings, more income inequality and more racial division and as such he developed a plan to achieve this once he had been elected president and he then successfully implemented his plan?

Are you really that stupid?

[Luis Anaconda]

So your theory is that Obama felt that it would be best for him and/or his party and/or his country to have more war, more terrorism, more poverty, more urban killings, more income inequality and more racial division and as such he developed a plan to achieve this once he had been elected president and he then successfully implemented his plan?

Are you really that stupid?

Excellent :reachesforthepopcorn:

[World's End Stella]

Excellent :reachesforthepopcorn:

Put it away and go down the pub. I have no intention of continuing, the one post was quite enough, I think.

[Luis Anaconda]

put it away and go down the pub. I have no intention of continuing, the one post was quite enough, i think.

booooooooooooooo

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

booooooooooooooo

......erns

[Chief Arrowhead]

So your theory is that Obama felt that it would be best for him and/or his party and/or his country to have more war, more terrorism, more poverty, more urban killings, more income inequality and more racial division and as such he developed a plan to achieve this once he had been elected president and he then successfully implemented his plan?

Are you really that stupid?

https://www.amazon.com/Rules-Radicals-Practical-Primer-Realistic/dp/0679721134

Straight outta his Bible.