Now I'm no fan of retrospective political correctness, but on balance, even I'll

[Burney]

concede that this is probably fair enough...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/11952491/New-Zealand-ready-to-replace-racially-offensive-place-names.html

[Luis Anaconda]

concede that this is probably fair enough...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/11952491/New-Zealand-ready-to-replace-racially-offensive-place-names.html
Can't help but think that the byline image reflects the writer's sheer excitement about being able to get that word into a published piece so many times. Quite disturbing otherwise

[Monty92]

concede that this is probably fair enough...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/11952491/New-Zealand-ready-to-replace-racially-offensive-place-names.html

Happy Kānuka!

388

[Sir C]

concede that this is probably fair enough...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/11952491/New-Zealand-ready-to-replace-racially-offensive-place-names.html

It's true enough that times and mores change and we adjust accordingly; one just wonders how far your story is from this story. Not very far at all, I'd suggest. A slippery slope?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/dec/05/to-kill-a-mockingbird-removed-virginia-schools-racist-language-harper-lee

[Burney]

Can't help but think that the byline image reflects the writer's sheer excitement about being able to get that word into a published piece so many times. Quite disturbing otherwise

Yeah. He even gets a few 'Darkies' in at the end as well. :hehe:

[Monty92]

Happy Kānuka!

388

Funny corruption of my post there, randomly adding "388" at the end, making it look like I was saying "Happy Kanuka! 388 today"

[Burney]

It's true enough that times and mores change and we adjust accordingly; one just wonders how far your story is from this story. Not very far at all, I'd suggest. A slippery slope?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/dec/05/to-kill-a-mockingbird-removed-virginia-schools-racist-language-harper-lee

I would argue that the book exists in a clear historical context and thus can be read in that context. The place names, on the other hand, exist in the modern day and - in the context of modern mores - are clearly no longer appropriate or fit for purpose.

[Burney]

Funny corruption of my post there, randomly adding "388" at the end, making it look like I was saying "Happy Kanuka! 388 today"

How old is he claiming to be, out of interest?

[Sir C]

I would argue that the book exists in a clear historical context and thus can be read in that context. The place names, on the other hand, exist in the modern day and - in the context of modern mores - are clearly no longer appropriate or fit for purpose.

I might argue that words are not offensive in isolation, they only become offensive when used offensively; furthermore these place names, whilst existing in the modern day, also have a clear historical context and tell us something of the mores of the settlers who named them, just as the book tells us of the mores of the US south in the 30s.

I might argue that, but I probably can't be ársed.

[Luis Anaconda]

I would argue that the book exists in a clear historical context and thus can be read in that context. The place names, on the other hand, exist in the modern day and - in the context of modern mores - are clearly no longer appropriate or fit for purpose.

:nod: Exactly but who can't love a line like this

while the Bible received complaints against its “religious viewpoint”.

[Monty92]

How old is he claiming to be, out of interest?

Born in 76

[Burney]

I might argue that words are not offensive in isolation, they only become offensive when used offensively; furthermore these place names, whilst existing in the modern day, also have a clear historical context and tell us something of the mores of the settlers who named them, just as the book tells us of the mores of the US south in the 30s.

I might argue that, but I probably can't be ársed.

Yes. And those facts about the early settlers still exist. We are still able to draw those conclusions. No-one is attempting to delete these place names from history, merely to make the town names themselves less offensive to modern sensibilities and thus more user-friendly.

Besides, it's no different to what we did to Gropecünt Lane.

[Luis Anaconda]

Yes. And those facts about the early settlers still exist. We are still able to draw those conclusions. No-one is attempting to delete these place names from history, merely to make the town names themselves less offensive to modern sensibilities and thus more user-friendly.

Besides, it's no different to what we did to Gropecünt Lane.
Renamed it Pennsylvannia Avenue?

[Burney]

Born in 76

He really is taking the pïss, Jonathan :hehe:

[Brentwood]

concede that this is probably fair enough...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/11952491/New-Zealand-ready-to-replace-racially-offensive-place-names.html

Reminds me of my favourite ever clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcaPNwjOYM

[Pat Vegas]

concede that this is probably fair enough...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/11952491/New-Zealand-ready-to-replace-racially-offensive-place-names.html

Would be great if they changed it to Nwordhead

[Sir C]

Reminds me of my favourite ever clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcaPNwjOYM

:hehe: Awkward.

[eastgermanautos]

I might argue that words are not offensive in isolation, they only become offensive when used offensively; furthermore these place names, whilst existing in the modern day, also have a clear historical context and tell us something of the mores of the settlers who named them, just as the book tells us of the mores of the US south in the 30s.

I might argue that, but I probably can't be ársed.

The mores of the settlers? Haha. The mores is they were a bunch of fvckheads, one step ahead of the law in their old countries.

[Sir C]

The mores of the settlers? Haha. The mores is they were a bunch of fvckheads, one step ahead of the law in their old countries.

Thank you Edward Gibbon.

[eastgermanautos]

Thank you Edward Gibbon.

I have a pal, as I probably mentioned here before, who has done a graphic novel of DAFOTRE. :-)

[Burney]

Reminds me of my favourite ever clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcaPNwjOYM

:clap: How have I never heard that before? :hehe:

[Burney]

The mores of the settlers? Haha. The mores is they were a bunch of fvckheads, one step ahead of the law in their old countries.

The settlers in New Zealand were all dour, dull-as-fückery scotchers. This is why the place is so cock-achingly dull today.

[Ash]

It's true enough that times and mores change and we adjust accordingly; one just wonders how far your story is from this story. Not very far at all, I'd suggest. A slippery slope?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/dec/05/to-kill-a-mockingbird-removed-virginia-schools-racist-language-harper-lee

A linked piece from there refers to an instance where parents were required to give permission for their child to read Farenheit 451. :yikes:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/27/washington-nurseries-warned-off-scary-stories-for-children

[Sir C]

A linked piece from there refers to an instance where parents were required to give permission for their child to read Farenheit 451. :yikes:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/27/washington-nurseries-warned-off-scary-stories-for-children

They'll be burning books within 12 months, trust me. (That doesn't mean they'll also burn people. That's patent nonsense.)

[Viva Prat Vegas]

They'll be burning books within 12 months, trust me. (That doesn't mean they'll also burn people. That's patent nonsense.)

You mean pagan nonsense

[Burney]

A linked piece from there refers to an instance where parents were required to give permission for their child to read Farenheit 451. :yikes:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/27/washington-nurseries-warned-off-scary-stories-for-children

LOL! You have to admire the sheer lack of awareness that has to go into something like that.

[eastgermanautos]

LOL! You have to admire the sheer lack of awareness that has to go into something like that.

This is a cyclical thing. We Americans are an incredibly ignorant bunch. I can remember reading a sanitized version of the Canterbury Tales when I was a kid. But they would change things to eliminate, not just the sexy bits, but the poetry. It's like, poetry bad.

[redgunamo]

This is a cyclical thing. We Americans are an incredibly ignorant bunch. I can remember reading a sanitized version of the Canterbury Tales when I was a kid. But they would change things to eliminate, not just the sexy bits, but the poetry. It's like, poetry bad.

Everyone is, in a way. Just by circumstances usually. Even though she loves him to bits, as does everyone else, of course, until I took her to see the Sweeney Todd movie, my wife had never actually heard Johnnie Depp's voice. She's foreign, see, and all the movies and television they import is dubbed and translated and therefore naturally re-interpreted.

Profound really, and rather sad.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I would argue that the book exists in a clear historical context and thus can be read in that context. The place names, on the other hand, exist in the modern day and - in the context of modern mores - are clearly no longer appropriate or fit for purpose.

Exactly. Look at the language Flashman uses in GMF's novels. He's simply being historically accurate. His description of early Singapore, for example, (in the one about the White Raja and the South Sea pirates), gave me a better feel than anything in my OU course. (Though admittedly we didn't actually study the place until c.1900 coroner's reports.)

But anyone reading his books knows that he has complete respect for the natives (gained from his time as a teenage soldier in Burma explained in his autobiog on the subject, Quartered Safe Out Here.)

I'd hate for those to be banned. Anyone taking offence at Flashman's racist language has completely missed the point of the books, both in GMF's view of the non-white races and in his quest for creating a historically accurate feeling of the period.

How on earth would we be able to study history if every primary source that contained racist (or otherwise offensive to modern tastes) language was censored or banned? Surely these yank kids need to know how badly their fellow septics were treated just because of their skin colour, what they were fighting for, what happened after the civil war to keep them down, why they still needed a civil rights movement a century after the war and why we still have things like BLM (for all their faults) nowadays?

I'm afraid I never agree with censoring history. Goes against my core beliefs.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

The mores of the settlers? Haha. The mores is they were a bunch of fvckheads, one step ahead of the law in their old countries.

Actually, in NZ they weren't.

Studied this and read lots of primary sources, diaries and letters explaining why they were going, the voyage, and the lives they made out there of all different social classes as well as the adverts and publicity of the company running the show.

So I'm sorry, but that is completely untrue.

{I have no love of NZ, never been there, only ever had one mate from there or whatever. It's not like me banging on about India. It's just what I studied.}