The Donald has been stitched up by the media.

[Darren's Dodgy Denim]

Make America Grope Again!

[dismalswamp]

What gets me is the media can drag up an obscure lewd remark from 11 years ago and big a big deal out of something of the like that EVERY straight male has said at some point and yet ignore the video of Hillary laughing about how she got a rapist off the hook even though she knew he was guilty.
Watch this:
https://youtu.be/qcqh0gRy-og

[Burney]

What gets me is the media can drag up an obscure lewd remark from 11 years ago and big a big deal out of something of the like that EVERY straight male has said at some point and yet ignore the video of Hillary laughing about how she got a rapist off the hook even though she knew he was guilty.
Watch this:
https://youtu.be/qcqh0gRy-og

There's no doubt it's a stitch up, but the problem is that Trump is remarkably easy to stitch up thanks to his long history of saying wildly unpleasant things in front of television cameras.

Increasingly it appears true that the Democrats chose the one candidate capable of losing to Donald Trump, while the Republicans chose the one candidate capable of not beating Hilary Clinton. All in all, I wouldn't get your hopes up, America.

[Brentwood]

What gets me is the media can drag up an obscure lewd remark from 11 years ago and big a big deal out of something of the like that EVERY straight male has said at some point and yet ignore the video of Hillary laughing about how she got a rapist off the hook even though she knew he was guilty.
Watch this:
https://youtu.be/qcqh0gRy-og

The controversial thing about the video is not the words he uses, but the acts he is admitting to. There have been several allegations in the past about how he has sexually assaulted women in exactly this way, and he either paid them off or there was not enough evidence. It doesn't matter what he says now, anybody with any sense can believe that he has done exactly the things he describes with the countless women he's been in close proximity to. He can say that nobody respects women more than he does til he's blue in the face. Women voters can now make their own judgement on that.

Speaking about a woman's tits, or describing how you shagged a woman. That's locker room talk. What he describes is a man using his power and fame to do what he wants to women, knowing they either won't object or that nobody will believe them when they do.

The timing of the video being released is undoubtedly strategic, although that's the prerogative of whoever has it in their possession. There are rumours that there are loads of other videos where Trump uses the word Nigger. I wonder if there are any of him referring to the cause of his sniffing?

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

I wonder if there are any of him referring to the cause of his sniffing?
snort snort
328

[Burney]

The controversial thing about the video is not the words he uses, but the acts he is admitting to. There have been several allegations in the past about how he has sexually assaulted women in exactly this way, and he either paid them off or there was not enough evidence. It doesn't matter what he says now, anybody with any sense can believe that he has done exactly the things he describes with the countless women he's been in close proximity to. He can say that nobody respects women more than he does til he's blue in the face. Women voters can now make their own judgement on that.

Speaking about a woman's tits, or describing how you shagged a woman. That's locker room talk. What he describes is a man using his power and fame to do what he wants to women, knowing they either won't object or that nobody will believe them when they do.

The timing of the video being released is undoubtedly strategic, although that's the prerogative of whoever has it in their possession. There are rumours that there are loads of other videos where Trump uses the word Nigger. I wonder if there are any of him referring to the cause of his sniffing?

Also, while I personally find Clinton repulsive, it was actually her job to get that rapist off if she possibly could.

[World's End Stella]

There's no doubt it's a stitch up, but the problem is that Trump is remarkably easy to stitch up thanks to his long history of saying wildly unpleasant things in front of television cameras.

Increasingly it appears true that the Democrats chose the one candidate capable of losing to Donald Trump, while the Republicans chose the one candidate capable of not beating Hilary Clinton. All in all, I wouldn't get your hopes up, America.

What's the justification for it being a stitch up? What have the media done to Trump that is beyond their remit and/or that they haven't done to Clinton?

[Brentwood]

Also, while I personally find Clinton repulsive, it was actually her job to get that rapist off if she possibly could.

Exactly, she had a legal obligation to do so

[Burney]

Exactly, she had a legal obligation to do so

It really is a shame that Trump is just too much of a cùnt for even Americans to elect him. I would very much have enjoyed watching Hilary lose. :-(

[TheCurly]

There's no doubt it's a stitch up, but the problem is that Trump is remarkably easy to stitch up thanks to his long history of saying wildly unpleasant things in front of television cameras.

Increasingly it appears true that the Democrats chose the one candidate capable of losing to Donald Trump, while the Republicans chose the one candidate capable of not beating Hilary Clinton. All in all, I wouldn't get your hopes up, America.

Never a better opportunity for "none of the above" #brewstersmillions

[Burney]

Never a better opportunity for "none of the above" #brewstersmillions

Yup. Although I think we can now categorically state that the 'banter' defence does not work.


https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/A54966AD181109626891520131072_2c19e266a80.2.1.1426 7733148752825975.mp4?versionId=0JoWHCYXsGWB.vudYs8 F_4yRbqDXwc8D

[Ash]

Speaking about a woman's tits, or describing how you shagged a woman. That's locker room talk. What he describes is a man using his power and fame to do what he wants to women, knowing they either won't object or that nobody will believe them when they do.


Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

[Burney]

Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

Anecdotally, pretty much, yes. But a/ Bill Clinton isn't the candidate b/ I don't think anyone's got his misdemeanours on tape.

[Brentwood]

Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

That's the claim, but can easily be dismissed as yet another conspiracy theory until someone actually has one of them admitting it. Also, he isn't the one up for election, his wife is

[Luis Anaconda]

Anecdotally, pretty much, yes. But a/ Bill Clinton isn't the candidate b/ I don't think anyone's got his misdemeanours on tape.

They don't call him Slick Willy for nothing. One of the most stupid things about Trump's response is that his attack on Bill just implicated him further and gives credence to any allegation against him

[World's End Stella]

Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

I don't think she was happy to excuse it, I think Bill just lied to her about it and to some extent she played the supportive wife. I seem to recall stories of an unholy row when he finally had to say 'sorry, Hills, but that is actually my spunk stain on Monica's dress'.

Her being loyal while being lied to is not quite the same as Trump being an appalling cretin, I think.

[Ash]

I don't think she was happy to excuse it, I think Bill just lied to her about it and to some extent she played the supportive wife. I seem to recall stories of an unholy row when he finally had to say 'sorry, Hills, but that is actually my spunk stain on Monica's dress'.

Her being loyal while being lied to is not quite the same as Trump being an appalling cretin, I think.

Monica was just the tip of the iceberg, I reckon.

[redgunamo]

Increasingly it appears true that the Democrats chose the one candidate capable of losing to Donald Trump, while the Republicans chose the one candidate capable of not beating Hilary Clinton.

Well put. America will be fine though.

[Burney]

Well put. America will be fine though.

All in all, it seems to me like a good reason not to let the general public choose your candidates for you if you're a party.

[redgunamo]

All in all, it seems to me like a good reason not to let the general public choose your candidates for you if you're a party.

You hit the nail on the head the other week; it simply doesn't matter anymore. Our democracies may well be past that stage.

[TheCurly]

All in all, it seems to me like a good reason not to let the general public choose your candidates for you if you're a party.

And anyway...how can anyone grab a lady by the pussy?

[redgunamo]

And anyway...how can anyone grab a lady by the pussy?

After a few beers, anything is possible, I think. Hang on, you're not filming this, are you ?

[Burney]

And anyway...how can anyone grab a lady by the pussy?

Have you ever been bowling?

[redgunamo]

Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

In fairness to both those chaps, neither of them ran on family values platforms.

[Burney]

In fairness to both those chaps, neither of them ran on family values platforms.

Doesn't matter anymore. The tone of the debate is so low now it's subterranean. Can you in previous years imagine a presidential debate where each candidate stood there and accused the other of criminality and sex crimes? :hehe: The thing is that we're in danger of forgetting just how aberrant the thing has become.

[redgunamo]

It really is a shame that Trump is just too much of a cùnt for even Americans to elect him. I would very much have enjoyed watching Hilary lose. :-(

You never know though, he's not a "normal" candidate, is he. His long exposure to the public gaze (and vice versa) may have rendered him politically immune to this sort of thing. Everyone knows what he's like by now.

Worse would be poorly judged behaviour that could be considered "out of character". Everyone knew Bill liked to feel a different leg from time to time, W did not suffer from revelations about his party reptile past and so on.

[Burney]

You never know though, he's not a "normal" candidate, is he. His long exposure to the public gaze (and vice versa) may have rendered him politically immune to this sort of thing. Everyone knows what he's like by now.

Worse would be poorly judged behaviour that could be considered "out of character". Everyone knew Bill liked to feel a different leg from time to time, W did not suffer from revelations about his party reptile past and so on.

I did used to think that the fact that he was unembarrassable was a strength, but this one has gone a little far, I fear.

Shame. I would have liked him to win. Would have been a massive giggle.

[TheCurly]

You never know though, he's not a "normal" candidate, is he. His long exposure to the public gaze (and vice versa) may have rendered him politically immune to this sort of thing. Everyone knows what he's like by now.

Worse would be poorly judged behaviour that could be considered "out of character". Everyone knew Bill liked to feel a different leg from time to time, W did not suffer from revelations about his party reptile past and so on.

I'm going to take the Trump's approach to work
Boss:Have you invoiced that guy yet?"
Me:Bill Clinton fúcked all sorts
Boss:What? I asked you have you invoiced that guy yet
Me:Bill Clinton
Boss:Fúck it,I'll do it myself

[redgunamo]

I'm going to take the Trump's approach to work
Boss:Have you invoiced that guy yet?"
Me:Bill Clinton fúcked all sorts
Boss:What? I asked you have you invoiced that guy yet
Me:Bill Clinton
Boss:Fúck it,I'll do it myself

Everyone understands billionaires can do what they want, I reckon. Otherwise why does everyone want to be one, what's the point.

[redgunamo]

I did used to think that the fact that he was unembarrassable was a strength, but this one has gone a little far, I fear.

Shame. I would have liked him to win. Would have been a massive giggle.

The final tally may be fascinating. Trump is an arse but, equally, there's implacably strong feelings against Bill Clinton serving a third term.

[Burney]

The final tally may be fascinating. Trump is an arse but, equally, there's implacably strong feelings against Bill Clinton serving a third term.

Yes, I know how wildly unpopular Hilary Clinton is and that there are many people who would literally rather vote for Satan, but there is such a thing as taking a joke too far and I fear Trump may be an example.

[dismalswamp]

The controversial thing about the video is not the words he uses, but the acts he is admitting to. There have been several allegations in the past about how he has sexually assaulted women in exactly this way, and he either paid them off or there was not enough evidence. It doesn't matter what he says now, anybody with any sense can believe that he has done exactly the things he describes with the countless women he's been in close proximity to. He can say that nobody respects women more than he does til he's blue in the face. Women voters can now make their own judgement on that.

Speaking about a woman's tits, or describing how you shagged a woman. That's locker room talk. What he describes is a man using his power and fame to do what he wants to women, knowing they either won't object or that nobody will believe them when they do.

The timing of the video being released is undoubtedly strategic, although that's the prerogative of whoever has it in their possession. There are rumours that there are loads of other videos where Trump uses the word Nigger. I wonder if there are any of him referring to the cause of his sniffing?

whilst i agree with you to some extent don't forget he wasn't talking about all women. he was talking about 'groupies', golddiggers who use their looks to get what they want. this is a similar misquote to when he said some mexicans were rapists (as confirmed by border crossings victims) that soon was misquoted as ALL mexicans are rapists.
don't forget bill clinton is an actual rapist....

[redgunamo]

Yes, I know how wildly unpopular Hilary Clinton is and that there are many people who would literally rather vote for Satan, but there is such a thing as taking a joke too far and I fear Trump may be an example.

Hope may linger. I'm not convinced everyone in America is as preoccupied with women's lib as you are. NTTAWWI.

[Luis Anaconda]

whilst i agree with you to some extent don't forget he wasn't talking about all women. he was talking about 'groupies', golddiggers who use their looks to get what they want. this is a similar misquote to when he said some mexicans were rapists (as confirmed by border crossings victims) that soon was misquoted as ALL mexicans are rapists.
don't forget bill clinton is an actual rapist....

Jesus wept

[Brentwood]

whilst i agree with you to some extent don't forget he wasn't talking about all women. he was talking about 'groupies', golddiggers who use their looks to get what they want. this is a similar misquote to when he said some mexicans were rapists (as confirmed by border crossings victims) that soon was misquoted as ALL mexicans are rapists.
don't forget bill clinton is an actual rapist....

So is Trump, in all likelihood

13 year old accuser:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-accused-underage-rape-lawsuit-a7352976.html

Ivana Trump

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html

[IUFG]

is he a rapist?

[Brentwood]

is he a rapist?

Is who a rapist?

[Burney]

Is who a rapist?

Look, if we just accept that all mean who have had PIV sexual intercourse are rapists, then I think we'll all be happier.

[eastgermanautos]

The real problem with Trump in that debate was crowding Hillary's physical space. As a bloke you feel called upon to defend the woman in that situation, no matter your views of the woman. I felt I needed to reassure my mother and sister in some way after watching that. Trump is done, done.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

whilst i agree with you to some extent don't forget he wasn't talking about all women. he was talking about 'groupies', golddiggers who use their looks to get what they want. this is a similar misquote to when he said some mexicans were rapists (as confirmed by border crossings victims) that soon was misquoted as ALL mexicans are rapists.
don't forget bill clinton is an actual rapist....

Sounds like you're defending Trump?

[dismalswamp]

Jesus wept
what??? your point being?

[dismalswamp]

Sounds like you're defending Trump?
he doesn't need defending as he's done nothing wrong. made a comment similar to what everyone on here has at one time or another, both male and female. heaven forbid if they watch the inbetweeners - so popular because the lads talked like lads actually talk. i'm more shocked by those pretending to be shocked to be quite honest. the (democrat funded) mainstream media is a joke. trump might be a bit of a **** but clinton is a criminal. these things matter far more than words. whitewater, haiti, benghazi, rape enabler, dnc rigging, bungs from saudi government, paying for positions, clinton foundation etc. the truth will out one day.

[eastgermanautos]

he doesn't need defending as he's done nothing wrong. made a comment similar to what everyone on here has at one time or another, both male and female. heaven forbid if they watch the inbetweeners - so popular because the lads talked like lads actually talk. i'm more shocked by those pretending to be shocked to be quite honest. the (democrat funded) mainstream media is a joke. trump might be a bit of a **** but clinton is a criminal. these things matter far more than words. whitewater, haiti, benghazi, rape enabler, dnc rigging, bungs from saudi government, paying for positions, clinton foundation etc. the truth will out one day.

Rather than dispute what you say, one might point out that appearances are what count. The leader of a country is a symbol of that country. We can't have that clown running things. Your points about the criminality of Clinton sound -- one doesn't know you personally -- like someone who has opted to pin various grievances on someone famous. I know a bunch of dudes who lost out bigtime in the 2008 real estate crash. And I noticed, after a year or so, that one felt physical unease being around them. Like they were wound up like a coil. Then they started talking about "the blacks" in Facebook posts. Not good there, dismal, not good.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

And anyway...how can anyone grab a lady by the pussy?

You might be able to if she is 70 :rooney:

[dismalswamp]

Rather than dispute what you say, one might point out that appearances are what count. The leader of a country is a symbol of that country. We can't have that clown running things. Your points about the criminality of Clinton sound -- one doesn't know you personally -- like someone who has opted to pin various grievances on someone famous. I know a bunch of dudes who lost out bigtime in the 2008 real estate crash. And I noticed, after a year or so, that one felt physical unease being around them. Like they were wound up like a coil. Then they started talking about "the blacks" in Facebook posts. Not good there, dismal, not good.

sorry but i have no idea of the relevance of that. instead of saying my points 'sound like' simply go and research them properly and then comment. also what is this 'not good'. you have no right to judge anyone if
you don't have the information. i find that the most frustrating thing, everyone should wake up and stop being spoon fed this media crap. go find out what clinton / trump actually said or did not what some funded media mouthpiece wants you to believe.

[Luis Anaconda]

what??? your point being?

So if some one is a groupie they deserved to be sexually assaulted - you see nothing wrong with that statement?

[TheCurly]

he doesn't need defending as he's done nothing wrong. made a comment similar to what everyone on here has at one time or another, both male and female. heaven forbid if they watch the inbetweeners - so popular because the lads talked like lads actually talk. i'm more shocked by those pretending to be shocked to be quite honest. the (democrat funded) mainstream media is a joke. trump might be a bit of a **** but clinton is a criminal. these things matter far more than words. whitewater, haiti, benghazi, rape enabler, dnc rigging, bungs from saudi government, paying for positions, clinton foundation etc. the truth will out one day.

"done nothing wrong" I don't mean to be rude but what is wrong with you,D?

[Burney]

"done nothing wrong" I don't mean to be rude but what is wrong with you,D?

I'm quite amused to see The Inbetweeners being cited in the defence of a putative President of the United States. I now have an image of Donald Trump leaning out of a car window and shouting 'Bus w@nkers!" :hehe:

[TheCurly]

I'm quite amused to see The Inbetweeners being cited in the defence of a putative President of the United States. I now have an image of Donald Trump leaning out of a car window and shouting 'Bus w@nkers!" :hehe:

His son in the passenger seat shouting "my dad's not bent"

[Luis Anaconda]

I'm quite amused to see The Inbetweeners being cited in the defence of a putative President of the United States. I now have an image of Donald Trump leaning out of a car window and shouting 'Bus w@nkers!" :hehe:

:clap: :clap: He would definitely be Jay, no doubt

[Burney]

:clap: :clap: He would definitely be Jay, no doubt

Now I simply cannot abide that dreadful Clinton woman and have made it clear that I would be vastly amused by a Trump win, but the idea of someone like dismal actually thinking he'd be a good President and defending him is entirely bewildering to me, I must admit.

[TheCurly]

Now I simply cannot abide that dreadful Clinton woman and have made it clear that I would be vastly amused by a Trump win, but the idea of someone like dismal actually thinking he'd be a good President and defending him is entirely bewildering to me, I must admit.

It's like trying to choose between Tony Pulis and Fat Sam as next Arsenal manager :-(

[eastgermanautos]

sorry but i have no idea of the relevance of that. instead of saying my points 'sound like' simply go and research them properly and then comment. also what is this 'not good'. you have no right to judge anyone if
you don't have the information. i find that the most frustrating thing, everyone should wake up and stop being spoon fed this media crap. go find out what clinton / trump actually said or did not what some funded media mouthpiece wants you to believe.

I find your accusations to be quite squirrelous.

[dismalswamp]

I find your accusations to be quite squirrelous.

I have absolutely no idea what that means so I'll take it as a compliment.
Thanks

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

I'm quite amused to see The Inbetweeners being cited in the defence of a putative President of the United States. I now have an image of Donald Trump leaning out of a car window and shouting 'Bus w@nkers!" :hehe:

I look forward to hearing Trump use that immortal phrase..... knee deep in clunge

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

he doesn't need defending as he's done nothing wrong. made a comment similar to what everyone on here has at one time or another, both male and female. heaven forbid if they watch the inbetweeners - so popular because the lads talked like lads actually talk. i'm more shocked by those pretending to be shocked to be quite honest. the (democrat funded) mainstream media is a joke. trump might be a bit of a **** but clinton is a criminal. these things matter far more than words. whitewater, haiti, benghazi, rape enabler, dnc rigging, bungs from saudi government, paying for positions, clinton foundation etc. the truth will out one day.

He has done plenty wrong. One could argue that some of the things he has said prior to this video release might be seen as a lot worse and much more deserving of losing the GOP support.

[eastgermanautos]

I have absolutely no idea what that means so I'll take it as a compliment.
Thanks

It's a compliment and a complement. For all intensive purposes.