Apparently, warning cyclists not to do something that gets a lot of them killed is

[Burney]

'victim blaming'. :rolleyes:

Cyclists. What a heap of self-righteous cùnts they are.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victim-blaming-cycling-safety-video-from-government-sparks-fury-a3353906.html

[Brentwood]

'victim blaming'. :rolleyes:

Cyclists. What a heap of self-righteous cùnts they are.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victim-blaming-cycling-safety-video-from-government-sparks-fury-a3353906.html

I've seen a film which shows the huge blind spot lorry drivers have when they sit in their cabs. Nothing they can realistically do about it, so complete common sense that cyclists should be aware of this high risk and take more care

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[Rich]

'victim blaming'. :rolleyes:

Cyclists. What a heap of self-righteous cùnts they are.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victim-blaming-cycling-safety-video-from-government-sparks-fury-a3353906.html

I overtook won the other day before stopping at a set of traffic lights. He pulled up beside me and started bashing the side of my car and waving his hands about :-\

[Pokster]

'victim blaming'. :rolleyes:

Cyclists. What a heap of self-righteous cùnts they are.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victim-blaming-cycling-safety-video-from-government-sparks-fury-a3353906.html

The lorry overtakes the cyclist, so a bit tricky for the cyclist to do something different... apart from perhaps not cycle.

If they had shown the cyclist undertaking the lorry then the video would have been correct.

[redgunamo]

I overtook won the other day before stopping at a set of traffic lights. He pulled up beside me and started bashing the side of my car and waving his hands about :-\

Yes, it's the lack of civility and care for other road users that's the thing, isn't it.

No damage to your car, I hope?

[Rich]

Yes, it's the lack of civility and care for other road users that's the thing, isn't it.

No damage to your car, I hope?

Fortunately not. I did potentially remind him that my car was worth significantly more than his bicycle and indeed, his well-being :-( . Heat of the moment stuff.

[redgunamo]

Fortunately not. I did potentially remind him that my car was worth significantly more than his bicycle and indeed, his well-being :-( . Heat of the moment stuff.

Perfectly understandable, under the circumstances.

[SWv2]

Fortunately not. I did potentially remind him that my car was worth significantly more than his bicycle and indeed, his well-being :-( . Heat of the moment stuff.

You threatened him?

[Burney]

The lorry overtakes the cyclist, so a bit tricky for the cyclist to do something different... apart from perhaps not cycle.

If they had shown the cyclist undertaking the lorry then the video would have been correct.

He can slow down or stop, hang back and give the lorry a wide berth. At roundabouts, the Highway Code makes it clear that drivers should watch out for lorries and other large vehicles because their physical size means they may have to cross over lanes and their ability to see other road users may be restricted. There's nothing unreasonable in thet suggestion that you let lorries go rather than risk getting crushed - it's basic road safety and awareness of potential hazards. Equally, it's reasonable to point out to cyclists that lorries are big, clumsy vehicles with restricted vision and that discretion might be the better part of valour when it comes to dealing with them.

[Burney]

You threatened him?

Surely the Hippocratic Oath would prevent r from striking the fellow?

[Pokster]

He can slow down or stop, hang back and give the lorry a wide berth. At roundabouts, the Highway Code makes it clear that you watch out for lorries and other large vehicles because their physical size means they may have to cross over lanes and their ability to see other road users may be restricted. There's nothing unreasonable in the suggestion that you let lorries go rather than risk getting crushed - it's basic road safety and awareness of potential hazards. Equally, it's reasonable to point out to cyclists that lorries are big, clumsy vehicles with restricted vision and that discretion might be the better part of valour when it comes to dealing with them.

Fair enough.. but in the video the lorry overtakes the cyclist and turns across him, so it is also not unreasonable to say the lorry driver should have hung back knowing he was going to be turning

[Pokster]

Surely the Hippocratic Oath would prevent r from striking the fellow?

Have you seen Hippo's b, kill far more humans than Crocs and Alligators

[redgunamo]

Surely the Hippocratic Oath would prevent r from striking the fellow?

That would be all Greek to R though surely. And I'm not sure it makes any specific mention of a man's posh motor, does it?

[redgunamo]

Have you seen Hippo's b, kill far more humans than Crocs and Alligators

That's just humans asking for it though, in a way they would never do around crocodiles or alligators.

Bloody cheek really, so you can understand them being a bit cross.

[Burney]

Fair enough.. but in the video the lorry overtakes the cyclist and turns across him, so it is also not unreasonable to say the lorry driver should have hung back knowing he was going to be turning

Sure, but since in such an exchange it's going to be the cyclist rather than the lorry driver who dies, it behoves them to be the more cautious of the two. Cyclists like to pretend that road use is a level playing field in which everyone has the right to carry on doing what they are doing regardless of the relative sizes and speeds of the various vehicles. They take the view that, as long as they are doing what they are supposed to, they should be able to expect to be fine. This is arrant nonsense and is why they keep dying.
The roads belong to the biggest. Any sensible driver knows that you remain wary of HGVs in order to maintain your safety as far as possible because everyone makes mistakes or suffers from momentary inattention. Unfortunately, cyclists act as though self-righteousness is going to protect them from several tonnes of fast-moving metal and are invariably wrong.

[Maravilloso Marvo]

Fair enough.. but in the video the lorry overtakes the cyclist and turns across him, so it is also not unreasonable to say the lorry driver should have hung back knowing he was going to be turning

I disagree. Watch it again. In the first shot, when you are looking at the front of the lorry, the cyclist is clearly going faster than the lorry (who is already indicating) and makes ground on the lorry on the inside. When you then see the shot from behind the lorry, it does look like the lorry is now going faster than the cyclist but as the cyclist has come up on his inside beforehand, he would have no idea he was there at all.

As I say, watch it again, you need to do it a few times cos you only see if for a second.

[Ash]

Have you seen Hippo's b, kill far more humans than Crocs and Alligators

Pigmy hippos like to spray their poo around to define their territory, so I think Rich has some synergy going there.